Author Topic: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition  (Read 93240 times)

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #180 on: November 17, 2016, 04:03:40 AM »
I have never heard of anyone using him.  I imagine Chirei will probably use one of the component dragons though for something just because that seems like something he'd do.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #181 on: November 17, 2016, 12:46:01 PM »
Is there any other way to get one of those extra latent slot monsters? I saved a spare +297 for one so I could make husbando even more perfecter, but I'm not really that close to any of the quest rewards (800-something awakenings, 35 hypermaxes, no crowns). Guess I got projects to work on...

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #182 on: November 17, 2016, 01:08:34 PM »
150 roll: Yomi! I'll take it.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #183 on: November 17, 2016, 01:12:59 PM »
150: Ceres(ooh!  I've wanted her for a long time now because I like all three RGB Awoken Greeks.  Just need Minerva now.)
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #184 on: November 17, 2016, 01:15:27 PM »
150 roll: Yomi! I'll take it.

Ooh! Any merit in running her on Dog you think?
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #185 on: November 17, 2016, 01:19:38 PM »
150: Ceres. New and green, might use someday?
250: Gadius. Go away, I already had two of you!

Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #186 on: November 17, 2016, 01:47:05 PM »
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #187 on: November 17, 2016, 01:56:53 PM »
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #188 on: November 17, 2016, 02:41:59 PM »
oh hey i got a turtle

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #189 on: November 17, 2016, 05:31:59 PM »

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #190 on: November 17, 2016, 05:55:47 PM »
So is... Is red good now? Because Krishna seems *fucking insane*. I know just a few scattered good cards doesn't make a color, but goddamn...
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #191 on: November 17, 2016, 06:35:23 PM »
Right, now that Super Uvo Vishnu is out I may consider coming back to the game. Assuming my team of Vishnu/Triple Dong Liu Bei/GZL/Osiris/A.Meimei isn't terrible for it.

Which brings me to the question of: is it terrible for it? Cause the only things I could replace stuff with is more A.Meimeis.

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #192 on: November 17, 2016, 08:26:54 PM »
artemis and dandi from rolls

artemis is not jojo man but hey, finally a non hermes g2.0

dandi is going to get shadow of the colossus'd brb

So is... Is red good now? Because Krishna seems *fucking insane*. I know just a few scattered good cards doesn't make a color, but goddamn...

....no? krishna is a good lead but honestly not hugely better than an xmei team that's properly run, incredibly fucking greedy for orbs, and overall just a bandaid to people who don't want to use shitmei

he'll clear content better than Re:Shiva due to having an actual hp pool but he's barely scrapping the minimum in the end honestly and Re:Shiva is probably easier to use and maintain than krishna

red is still a garbage color.

edit: also yeah, almost any color probably has a lead better than krishna to boot honestly.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #193 on: November 17, 2016, 09:18:43 PM »
....no? krishna is a good lead but honestly not hugely better than an xmei team that's properly run, incredibly fucking greedy for orbs, and overall just a bandaid to people who don't want to use shitmei

he'll clear content better than Re:Shiva due to having an actual hp pool but he's barely scrapping the minimum in the end honestly and Re:Shiva is probably easier to use and maintain than krishna

red is still a garbage color.

As someone who plays stall teams a lot and has messed around a fair amount with Sarasvati+stall lead setups, being greedy matters a LOT less when you can just still your skills back up wherever you want to. I haven't tried Krishna yet but I'm going to, I guess I'll report back with how that goes sans-hypermax anything.

edit: also yeah, almost any color probably has a lead better than krishna to boot honestly.

Well yeah, I didn't say he was the best lead in the game or anything (or even really the best lead in red, unless he turned out was worse than everyone expected I have to imagine that's Kinnikuman?), but he's got to be close to top-tier, right?
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #194 on: November 17, 2016, 11:56:45 PM »
For my memorial pulls, I got Orochi and a dupe Rozuel. Feels pretty bad.

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #195 on: November 18, 2016, 12:13:34 AM »
Well yeah, I didn't say he was the best lead in the game or anything (or even really the best lead in red, unless he turned out was worse than everyone expected I have to imagine that's Kinnikuman?), but he's got to be close to top-tier, right?

bruh i'm having trouble justifying him over solidly mid-tier leads like shiva rn

no.exe

edit: or to really, really easily rephrase.

No, Krishna is a pretty solid lead, but he has not fixed the overwhelmingly HUGE problem of red leads being massively inferior as a whole to other colors, and is no huge spike in power to red.

Red is still, really, really fucking bad as a whole.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #196 on: November 18, 2016, 12:36:02 AM »
bruh i'm having trouble justifying him over solidly mid-tier leads like shiva rn

no.exe

edit: or to really, really easily rephrase.

No, Krishna is a pretty solid lead, but he has not fixed the overwhelmingly HUGE problem of red leads being massively inferior as a whole to other colors, and is no huge spike in power to red.

Red is still, really, really fucking bad as a whole.

(Rambling warning, be advised.)

Neptune Dragon is a 36x rows lead with 2.25x RCV and one-shots all relevant things. Krishna is 45.56x with the 2.25x RCV AND 2.25x HP, he should be able to one-shot all relevant things AND stall AND has greater flexibility in both subs and orb management options. And a non-niche, broadly useful active and no wasted awakenings. That seems pretty favorable to me.

I mean, NepDra is not a top-tier lead and that's not my intent for the comparison here, I'm more addressing spike power. Krishna with a reasonably row-invested team, not even anything crazy, just like 6 rows or so, should be able to spike as hard as is necessary, shouldn't he? Am I overlooking something here? You probably won't get two rows very reliably, but how much damage does one row plus two matches of three do? And if you do need to kill something REALLY heavy you're bulky enough to set up a three-row board. Nothing should really be surviving that, should it?

I guess utility is an issue, but you don't need a shield and Riding Hood should be very passable for bind management. I'm assuming Krishna doesn't hit hard enough on a dime to one-shot PreDras so you'd need something to manage those, but Rodin packing basically any relevant inherit should do fine for that since you should have no problem stalling up to the inherited orbchange or damage enhance or whatever if you don't need the poison. Krishna has the lock resist and the skillboost, so that shouldn't be a problem...

What is he missing? He has strong orbchange options, strong damage output, reasonable utility, and the main downside seems to be "being orb-hungry", which again I think is being exaggerated as a drawback since his active is stackable unlike a lot of leads with that problem and his sub pool is wide, on top of being able to stall back into skills fairly easily.

As someone who doesn't play red, the Krishna team that I'm imagining off the top of my head is this:

Krishna/Uriel/Antares/Riding Hood/Sanada/Krishna

The main thing I'm seeing that as missing is a way to deal with PreDras, and you could swap Antares or Uriel for Rodin or inherit a damage active onto Riding Hood at your discretion. What do you think, how does that team stack up? I'm missing Riding Hood (who is INSANE, I forgot how comparable or even maaaybe better than Snow White she is now) to try it out myself, but I have the rest so I think I can give it a go shortly.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #197 on: November 18, 2016, 01:17:00 AM »
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #198 on: November 18, 2016, 01:22:26 AM »
(Rambling warning, be advised.)

tldr; main problem as always is yeah to get your full damage numbers you need atleast 12 orbs on board and unlike hero leads you don't just stack them.

Effectively, I'd say Krishna's actual damage potential is a lot lower than NepDras due to that. You'll usually average one row and even blowing two is heavy active consumption, which.... does matter. I know you're used to stalling endlessly but you'll have lower breathing room with 2.25x (x2) and also well, eight turns per active avg on those. Yeah. I think your only haste is antares too.

Krishna's greed and general weird board layouts is a fairly major factor to me because you can't flood  and get a success which has always been red's strong point. Relatedly, yeah, all your changes are solos/heart combos to keep you alive and you'll likely need to use a few (Or red, leaving you open to binds) to get across. I know you're discounting it but as a whole it really effects how good he is overall as a lead, especially across player skill levels.

You'd also possibly get better effect over making a TPA team instead of rows because you can make better use of mostly the same orb numbers, have a good reason to slot in urd, and overall have more flexibility for probably solid as hell numbers. But at that point i'd use shiva because he can get all that too honestly and also >mfw red prong

He's an effective and strong lead. I'll never argue that one. He's probably NA's best red depending on who you ask (Revo shiva will prolly remain my pick honestly, the HP loss aside he's much more efficient and manageable lead to play and can clear a lot of floors krishna can with 2/3ds the orb count. If he had a better active, no one would argue otherwise) and certainly a small hope for red.

But... he's... kinda all we have, and I'm not sure he effectively and powerfully uses the entire color.

He's not Raoh or Kenshin or some garbage like that, sure. But he's a small pity and honestly if you were to ask him to stack up to most heartcross leads you'd likely get a better overall play opinion across skill levels for them and such.

He's a great lead and probably red's best yet, if you ask the right people, but yeah.

He's not really top-tier or saving red, but he's atleast a small blip in our favor that is... well, like you've done, used to justify there is nothing wrong with the color as a whole which would be a pretty solid lie.

If you were to ask me about how i feel about the sudden upswing of good red cards (shiva, minerva buffs) i'd still be somewhat sus. I feel like red's just mostly ignored at this point and running on backburned cards.

Give me something like ultra+deluxe omega shiva instead gungho plz


also because kinnikuman was mentioned:

he's overrated and apparently red's best card plz remove red from game gungho ;;

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #199 on: November 18, 2016, 04:31:14 AM »
Hey now, Tsubaki's red and I like her so don't go deleting her color!

(Yes I know she's not meta-compliant due to lacking staying power comparatively but still fun for me)
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #200 on: November 18, 2016, 05:35:49 AM »
Hey now, Tsubaki's red and I like her so don't go deleting her color!

(Yes I know she's not meta-compliant due to lacking staying power comparatively but still fun for me)

she can migrate to blue or some other good color

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #201 on: November 18, 2016, 05:55:00 AM »
B-but muh LeiTakeru board combos and stuff...  = |
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #202 on: November 18, 2016, 06:01:19 AM »
B-but muh LeiTakeru board combos and stuff...  = |

sadly, lei and taquito did not survive the trip to their home planet, and died together in space

Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2016, 08:30:55 AM »
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that's what i think of your shitty pad radar jp

sadly, lei and taquito did not survive the trip to their home planet, and died together in space

and that's why the earth has been taken over by dweebs like mei

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #204 on: November 18, 2016, 02:19:17 PM »
150: Urd
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Gungho plz.

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #205 on: November 18, 2016, 02:29:23 PM »
150: Urd
250: dupe Verd

Gungho plz.

Looks like you have a thing with the Norns huh ?

At least they're GFEs.


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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #207 on: November 19, 2016, 12:24:21 PM »
Game.  Game stop.  This isn't the kind of 6* GFE luck I want, like...at all.

>Sherias Roots

I know, I know, he's rare and powerful but he is also a full rainbow lead so he's probably not gonna see use anytime like ever. At least he's a new monster book entry so he isn't entirely useless for me.
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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #208 on: November 19, 2016, 09:08:16 PM »
Game.  Game stop.  This isn't the kind of 6* GFE luck I want, like...at all.

>Sherias Roots

I know, I know, he's rare and powerful but he is also a full rainbow lead so he's probably not gonna see use anytime like ever. At least he's a new monster book entry so he isn't entirely useless for me.

He makes a nice Yuna sub though!

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Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
« Reply #209 on: November 19, 2016, 09:54:01 PM »
...if I had Yuna that might be of interest.

I AM considering him for ASakuya though if I decide I actually want to try to learn her.  A good board change was always the thing I was lacking, plus he helps for all atts dungeons so that's another bonus.

I dunno I'll figure something out.  He looks cool and puts the "Dragon" back in Puzzle and Dragons, so it'd be cool to use him for SOMETHING.  (Yeah my main is also part dragon, but she's more human than dragon in shape which is different)
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