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| ZM:
--- Quote from: Mikuru on September 14, 2016, 01:37:27 PM ---This sounds great, and I'd love to take part and have the professionals pick apart some of my replays. I just have a query about one of your guidelines: You see, I'm the kind of player for whom survival and scoring are not separate goals. I always try to score, even if it's a category I haven't cleared yet. I try to learn scoring techniques a little at a time and incorporate them into my runs. I'm nowhere near professional scoring level yet -- but I'd still prefer my runs to be treated as scoring runs and for you to tell me what's good and what needs improvement. Is that okay? Or maybe I should mark my runs as both survival and scoring to show that I'm kind of a bit of both? --- End quote --- I mean, I GUESS you can call your runs scoring runs if you're main goal is trying to get as high of a score as you can. |
| Chill Observer:
--- Quote from: amalgam on September 14, 2016, 02:20:15 PM ---I just made a submission (IN Hard, Alice Solo); thanks for this initiative! I was wondering if you could provide instructions on how to view this weekly stream, as I have no background on streaming in general and would like to watch. Normally, I consider myself an insular and stubborn Touhou player when it comes to outside advice - that's just a result of really enjoying the process of trying to work things out by myself and not being exposed to too many 'spoilers', even when I'm having difficulty. But I also would like to share my Touhou playing with others, and see what strategies others have come up with. I also think the goal of "showing the diversity of the western Touhou community" is a good one, and I hope it encourages more community participation in Touhou playing :) --- End quote --- The stream will most likely be hosted on Twitch. We'll be making a stream account exclusively for the replay stream itself. Once I do so and then make some test streams then I'll give instructions and guidelines about the stream itself. Also I'd say in general that exposing yourself to "spoilers", especially in a shooting game series, is actually pretty good practice, because you'll have an idea how patterns in-game work beforehand. --- Quote from: amalgam on September 14, 2016, 02:20:15 PM ---I think this is a good point to raise - in my opinion whilst there are obviously 'pure' score runs and 'pure' survival runs, there are definitely runs that are on a continuum between the two. Would the threshold for inclusion as a 'scoring run' be something above what a 'defensive/conservative' NMNB could achieve? Also, there's a distinction between intent and result - somebody could be trying to do a scoring run but not do very well and get a lower score, but the replay could still indicate a preference towards scoring-based play rather than survival-based play. For example, suppose I play SA, and I try some of the easier scoring strategies (increasing graze via timing out attacks, using bombs as ReimuA, positioning my character in riskier positions). I could still end up with a score lower than that achieved by a No Miss run, simply from dying due to the added risks I'm taking. On the other hand, to a relatively average player like me, the scoring runs at a significant percentage of World Record scores are obviously on a whole other level of gameplay to what most of us can achieve. It's almost like watching a different game mode being played, and I think it is important to maintain this distinction. My personal preference in this case would be to allow ticking both 'scoring' and 'survival' in the online submission form for replays like the ones Mikuru is suggesting. A run that uses a few scoring techniques but nothing really crazy (e.g. significant usage of point-blank safespots) can be still commented on like it's a survival run, but the individual scoring techniques deserve to be commented on too (for example, manipulation of the human/youkai meter in IN to get time orbs). I'm not sure how discussion of replays is planned or structured (obviously), but I'm assuming each replay will be viewed at least once prior to the stream, and so issues like these can be addressed if relatively minor. Maybe the bit in the original post that says 'Check the hiscores page for reference' could be a little more specific? E.g., for a 'pure' scoring run, your score should be around X% of the MotK top score/World Record, or similar? --- End quote --- What ZM said: if your goal is to get a highscore you can consider your run a scoring one, but obviously it needs to do a little more than a regular 1cc (are specific routes or graze strats used? are point items frequently collected? are you using resources to get higher PIV or saving them for a massive clear bonus?). Some games (IN and MoF for instance) give you quite a high score myself if you no-miss and no-bomb. Extra stages in particular are also like this in general. So, it is not uncommon for a scoring run to also incorporate strats to not die, get spell bonuses and generally only use resources to prevent a death. (Max lives finish in extra stages are usually worth a LOT of points.) I will be skimming through the replays a few days before the stream starts, to ensure three things: that the replay is genuine, that there are no desyncs, and strategies/approaches the player took in their run. Replay order during the stream will be generally randomized and if there are many submissions we might enforce some limitations (e.g. max 1 full run per player each week). The highscores page for world records is just a general guideline. Each game is too different to explicitly state whether or not "a score must be within this % of the THWiki/MotK/Eientei/Royalflare/etc. top score or world record". Thanks for the feedback, by the way! |
| Zigzagwolf:
Ended up submitting one of the DDC Extra replays I had, please take note that I got bad internet so that when the stream will happen I might not be able to view it. (maybe the archive is an option?) |
| Chill Observer:
--- Quote from: Zigzagwolf on September 14, 2016, 09:32:31 PM ---Ended up submitting one of the DDC Extra replays I had, please take note that I got bad internet so that when the stream will happen I might not be able to view it. (maybe the archive is an option?) --- End quote --- We'll be archiving broadcasts as well as providing a list of replays showcased during the stream on this topic. Oh, I forgot to mention an important rule that I'll add (but is implied in the no TAS/cheating rule anyway): ALL REPLAYS MUST BE AT OR BELOW 5% SLOWDOWN. Any percentage greater than this will not be shown. |
| ZoomyTsugumi:
Other games allowed? Mostly asking about Len'en here. |
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