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Re: RNG And Dragons Thread XXIX: NA is actually good now?!?!?!?!
« Reply #420 on: April 18, 2016, 09:55:14 PM »
You're just provoking me at this point, aren't you?
Cmon ! That was just a small vent ! Yea, i get it ! Water get resisted by all Wood Atts. ! But other people here run RBG Teams too, even i am making and running a Skuld Team and building a Wood Row Team, i know, you have bad memories of being att. countered alot of times and on very important stuff, but others have too, and they aren't complaining about me complaining that i had a hard time with a enemy that kept trolling me and made me waste 35 turns just on dealing damage for it to be healed.

td;dr: You have bad memories, i understand, but at least let me just vent a bit, at least you have your husbando, i have neither Waifuterasu or Daughtermiel, sorry if i made you mad, please understand. (I can't make proper tl;drs.) :(

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« Reply #421 on: April 18, 2016, 10:06:15 PM »
Blue has one big thing to fight Vishnu, and a lot of big bads surprisingly
Orochi :V

He just hits unreasonably hard, you can't burst him down in one turn, and while staying just below the threshold of 1 million is easy (enough) for most colors, blue has to consistently go at the 2 million mark to keep up with Vishnu's healing at all.

And ccool playing a stall team
does not go well with the enemy constantly healing

I think the farthest ccool could push the stall idea in modern dungeons would be to field the B/R puppet and slap the entire team with Fire Resist Latents. But obviously that's another 250,000 MP and latents to gather and that's no fun.

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« Reply #422 on: April 18, 2016, 10:10:01 PM »
The fact that puppets can't be skill inherited is also really dumb, it's basically the ultimate "fuck you" to RGB teams gungho could've given, at least as far as Skill Inheritence is concerned.

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« Reply #423 on: April 18, 2016, 10:16:20 PM »
I'm pretty sure Vishnu's existence in high level Challenges denies Gabriel's existence. Talking about the enemy recovering HP pretty much triggers ccool.

This is true. It's less about the recovering HP and more about the resist, but yeah. I mean, I can accept that recovering is his gimmick, but the fact that he's green is what makes him virtually impossible. If he wasn't I could beat him fairly easily.

I going to blindly assume that Gabriel isn't the best water team there is out there. Does Vishnu counter a good majority of water teams or just Gabriel and a couple others?

No, Gabriel is not the best blue team. Not even close I'm sure. There are certainly better blue teams that can beat Vishnu, but they tend to be kind of whale-y in my experience. Meanwhile, Gabriel is becoming less strict to build since Reine is no longer really necessary, Snow White is easy to get, and the proliferation of rows means the Sun Quan slot is now a flex slot that could be a few different things.

Since Friday; it really is pretty awesome. Even better if you've got an Ares, Artemis, or I&I to skill up (I remember CRAB used to be Hermes at one point but I guess it isn't now?)

I don't have any of those actually, but incidentally I've been playing Groove Coaster a lot lately. It, uh... Isn't like the collab at all. :V

CCool is mostly a stall-team player, which would be completely fine if stall wasn't effectively a playstyle that only gets the middle finger in this game. Pretty much every dungeon is designed to require insane amounts of burst and yet also be a pain in the ass to burst down. If that wasn't the case I'm fairly sure CCool wouldn't even use Beyzul on his team - just as much as I wouldn't absolutely need Wangren on my eventual Red Stall team.

CCool also hates green enemies with a passion for rather obvious reasons, and Vishnu is the ultimate fuck you to just about everyone ever, blue and red teams especially (but mostly blue). I'm pretty sure CCool once spent around 100 turns trying to deal with Vishnu before finally going down because let's face it, Enemy!Vishnu is a dick.

Oh, it was well over 100 turns. And as far as Vishnu being a fuck you to everyone ever goes, again he would not be a problem at all for Gabriel if he wasn't green. Gabriel would barely be threatened by him if he wasn't green. He would take a lot of actives to beat so he might be a serious problem if the next floor requires a quick response, but he doesn't even theoretically require a leader swap. I have to assume this means similar bulky teams with similar burst potential don't really care about him that much. He's definitely a fuck you to spike teams, but tank teams packing a decent delay and decent damage handle him extremely well despite his regeneration. At least I assume they do, on paper they do, but I can't confirm because I've NEVER FUCKING BEATEN HIM. >:(

Also, let's not forget Awoken Meimei's complacency in all of this. I couldn't even bring Beyzul into that dungeon where I fought him for over a hundred turns because I HAD to bring NepDra to deal with Meimei. And again, if she wasn't green I could just burst her. Although I acknowledge that she does resist multiple colors so she's troublesome for more than just blue, but she resists blue the most. And stacking two massively, ridiculously bulky green enemies in the same dungeon is bullshit. At least skill inheritance theoretically takes care of her, it totally doesn't for Vishnu since I can't inherit fucking puppets.

Edit:
Cmon ! That was just a small vent ! Yea, i get it ! Water get resisted by all Wood Atts. ! But other people here run RBG Teams too, even i am making and running a Skuld Team and building a Wood Row Team, i know, you have bad memories of being att. countered alot of times and on very important stuff, but others have too, and they aren't complaining about me complaining that i had a hard time with a enemy that kept trolling me and made me waste 35 turns just on dealing damage for it to be healed.

td;dr: You have bad memories, i understand, but at least let me just vent a bit, at least you have your husbando, i have neither Waifuterasu or Daughtermiel, sorry if i made you mad, please understand. (I can't make proper tl;drs.) :(

What I'll say to that is, if you NEED built-in double damage to beat Doomsday then you've probably got other problems. Fair enough if that's just not bringing weak leads into the dungeon to get pal points, but relying on having type advantage isn't really that productive. Being resisted is one thing, but just not being super effective is another.

And I didn't decide Gabriel was husbando before I pulled him, I pulled him and then he became husbando. I recall that I was actually fishing for I&I that day and I was a little disappointed to have him at first. I've said this before and I'll say it again if I have to, don't get too attached to cards you don't own. I did that with Andromeda, I still don't have Andromeda, and it was basically just a huge waste of time and resources. Figure out which things you do own are good, then get attached to them.

Edit edit: Oh yeah, and as far as most people not harping on your every time you bring this up goes, I'll say two things: One, most people just run white or black and don't have this problem. That is because they are superior colors that get free handicaps for some reason. Two, I'm just busting your balls to some degree. Don't take it TOO personally. ;) I do actually mean everything I'm saying here, but it is in part for humor.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2016, 10:26:03 PM by commandercool »
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Re: RNG And Dragons Thread XXIX: NA is actually good now?!?!?!?!
« Reply #424 on: April 18, 2016, 10:27:18 PM »
Ahh, i was worried he would get mad at me. :ohdear:

Alas, i'll try to stop complaining about HP recovery moves and resists, please forgive me.
Can i still complain how PEM has dropped me 3 devilits but no Angelit in like 60 Evo Mat week rolls ?

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« Reply #425 on: April 18, 2016, 10:32:53 PM »
iirc I convinced ccool to try the super experimental and hipster ~*~leader swap~*~ because there was little to no precedent for it at all

It only so happened he had most of the pieces and JUST got Gabriel when he was asking "What can I do with these mobs" or something to that extent

Something we don't think about as puzzle pieces are the mobs we get from the REM, seeing how they fit together. And we gradually accumulate pieces - some are coveted for fitting in many teams - but you  should never reject, say, Archdemons and their counter abilities or Ninjas (forget Wizards tho srsly)

Can totally confirm that I would NOT be Fpurin Fanatic if (I think) Edible hadn't changed my name to it I hadn't rolled him in the Hello Kitty machine. Similarly, I hadn't thought about Jammer meta at all until loloops two Fenrirs in my box.

Drop rates are TOTALLY a thing you can complain about, though ;)

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« Reply #426 on: April 18, 2016, 10:38:17 PM »
Can i still complain how PEM has dropped me 3 devilits but no Angelit in like 60 Evo Mat week rolls ?

Everyone can complain about daily dungeon RNG. There's a reason I don't run them anymore unless we're talking tuesday dungeon :V

And yeah, pretty much, you can't get attached to cards you don't have exactly because the RNG is strong with this game. I wouldn't absolutely love my Horus nearly as much as I do if he hadn't been my very first REM roll, similarly I wouldn't love using Vishnu to farm or be currently working on a Pandora team if I didn't have all of the pieces for them.

Heck the only reason I use Vishnu at all is because I just so happen to have a pretty top-tier Green Attacker team, which I could make even better if I just fucking got Kaede already but I don't so I work with what I have.

All of this is part of the reason of why I'm so reluctant to sell REM only cards, keeping them around has given me a lot of different teams to work with, even if I'm not currently making progress towards really any of them (other than plussing my horus team).

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Re: RNG And Dragons Thread XXIX: NA is actually good now?!?!?!?!
« Reply #427 on: April 18, 2016, 10:56:14 PM »
iirc I convinced ccool to try the super experimental and hipster ~*~leader swap~*~ because there was little to no precedent for it at all

It only so happened he had most of the pieces and JUST got Gabriel when he was asking "What can I do with these mobs" or something to that extent

Something we don't think about as puzzle pieces are the mobs we get from the REM, seeing how they fit together. And we gradually accumulate pieces - some are coveted for fitting in many teams - but you  should never reject, say, Archdemons and their counter abilities or Ninjas (forget Wizards tho srsly)

Can totally confirm that I would NOT be Fpurin Fanatic if (I think) Edible hadn't changed my name to it I hadn't rolled him in the Hello Kitty machine. Similarly, I hadn't thought about Jammer meta at all until loloops two Fenrirs in my box.

You sure did. I've wondered before if I ever would have figured this out without you helping me, but no, I probably wouldn't have. Makes me wonder what other weird cool teams might be hiding in my box that I just haven't decoded yet.

Maybe it's just contrarianism, but I've been enjoying ninjas a lot recently. You know what I haven't been enjoying lately? Wizards. My dumb Shinji team has a slot that Sharon could even theoretically go in, but I'm using Kraken Rider instead because fuck wizards.

Drop rates are TOTALLY a thing you can complain about, though ;)

Yes. Yes you can, because they are buuuull shiiiiiit. And everyone knows complaining helps.

By the way Starlight, weren't you planning a Friday Dungeon run to try to farm Angelits? How did that go?
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« Reply #428 on: April 18, 2016, 11:24:41 PM »
It wasn't well, the Floor 2 Dublits always got me, and since A: my Sakuya Team EXP is pretty low and B: The Team can't stall for the ASs due to 8-80 style damage, if i could just skip Floor 2 i bet i could do it, but i'm thinking of running a Wukong Team there (that is, once jq or someone else get a Wukong running well, heck, even a regular evo max skilled wukong would serve.

Wait, so does that mean my name will be changed in the future by Edible ?

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« Reply #429 on: April 19, 2016, 12:49:17 AM »
If you get Ammy I could totally see you as something like "Starlighterasu".  Totally.
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« Reply #430 on: April 19, 2016, 01:03:52 AM »
sup Grisar thanks for the poison orbs




Weaknesses: 1) vampire
2) random poison skyfalls

pretty reliable otherwise

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« Reply #431 on: April 19, 2016, 01:31:39 AM »
Maybe it's just contrarianism, but I've been enjoying ninjas a lot recently. You know what I haven't been enjoying lately? Wizards. My dumb Shinji team has a slot that Sharon could even theoretically go in, but I'm using Kraken Rider instead because fuck wizards.

>Sharon

ahahahahahahahahahsob

fuck sharon

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« Reply #432 on: April 19, 2016, 02:07:42 AM »
If you get Ammy I could totally see you as something like "Starlighterasu".  Totally.
That`s pretty nice actually ! Now what if i draw Famiel.....

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« Reply #433 on: April 19, 2016, 05:06:23 AM »


A team like this needs a nice physical Light Enhance

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« Reply #434 on: April 19, 2016, 06:12:19 AM »
Got my account back! Too bad I missed the Godfest - but I decided to just roll once anyways and picked up a Wukong. My Saria team is taking shape.

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« Reply #435 on: April 19, 2016, 08:58:32 AM »
Got my account back! Too bad I missed the Godfest - but I decided to just roll once anyways and picked up a Wukong. My Saria team is taking shape.

Hello ! Finally another Wukong for me to befriend !

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« Reply #436 on: April 19, 2016, 12:08:48 PM »
Hello ! Finally another Wukong for me to befriend !

You use him as a leader?

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« Reply #437 on: April 19, 2016, 12:21:16 PM »
You use him as a leader?

I am planning to do so, he's getting skill ups and +eggs, but i can't really lead with him if nobody brings out theirs, that and accursed angelits.. :V

But yea, i mean, Mea uses Pandora, which is basically a Dark Wukong, while hyonrinryu uses Perseus which is Wood, Pandora is more popular cause Awoken Evo and Dark bias, and she's neat i'll admit it.
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« Reply #438 on: April 19, 2016, 12:28:13 PM »
but i can't really lead with him if nobody brings out theirs

Sure you can. I use Neptune Dragon, who has a similar (albeit mostly better) leader skill paired with Ryune most of the time. You could probabl easily pair Wukong with Raphael, Saria, or even Amaterasu although at that point being super ultimate does help a lot.
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« Reply #439 on: April 19, 2016, 12:35:32 PM »
Hmm, i'll try with Saria, i have my own Me to pair up with Myself, snd Waifuterasu doesn't have any Rows, plus i won't get full benefit of her LS.

And i need some way to deal with Sandal Phone !!! Damn that 10 Turn Bind ! It's just such a brick wall since almost all my box has god-type.

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« Reply #440 on: April 19, 2016, 12:51:32 PM »
If I recall he is delayable, so delaying him before you hit him hard (or just one-shotting him) should take care of him. But yeah, between Raphael and him that's usually a descend newer players struggle with for a while.
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« Reply #441 on: April 19, 2016, 01:42:44 PM »
Hmm, i'll try with Saria, i have my own Me to pair up with Myself, snd Waifuterasu doesn't have any Rows, plus i won't get full benefit of her LS.

And i need some way to deal with Sandal Phone !!! Damn that 10 Turn Bind ! It's just such a brick wall since almost all my box has god-type.

Dual Monkeys should be able to oneshot Sandyphone. If you can't one shot him, take an enchilada with you, or christmas angel if you have her.

Monkey/Valk/Pollux/???/????/Monkey should be able to handle it. One ??? can be a booster/delay, while the other one can be an orbchanger. In terms of terms of friends, You could get away with Saria or awoken Thor.

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« Reply #442 on: April 19, 2016, 01:47:09 PM »
Get him as close to half without going over, then blow him apart.  Kick his head in!

I used to haaaaaate that guy ugh.
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Re: RNG And Dragons Thread XXIX: NA is actually good now?!?!?!?!
« Reply #444 on: April 19, 2016, 02:46:01 PM »
Spent some time powerleveling with coin dungeons to level 150 to get a ROdin from the memorial egg machine. I have a couple of subs for him, so I guess I can put him on the backburner.

I noticed I'm not in the OP yet. My friend ID's 320,092,324 (Verdandi, Saria). I'm still pretty behind on +eggs and awakenings, though. Also have a Vishnu that's usually on sub duty.
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« Reply #445 on: April 19, 2016, 03:01:38 PM »
I noticed I'm not in the OP yet. My friend ID's 320,092,324 (Verdandi, Saria). I'm still pretty behind on +eggs and awakenings, though. Also have a Vishnu that's usually on sub duty.

So may i add you as Saria Number 6 ? Aka Samyon ? I have a Thor than i'm working on here, i run mostly Skuld and A. Drake, but Thor, Wukong and LKali are always available to ask.

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« Reply #446 on: April 19, 2016, 03:04:04 PM »
So may i add you as Saria Number 6 ? Aka Samyon ? I have a Thor than i'm working on here, i run mostly Skuld and A. Drake, but Thor, Wukong and LKali are always available to ask.

Sure thing. Still got lots of friend slots available. I don't log in that often, though, so be aware of that.

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« Reply #447 on: April 19, 2016, 03:42:51 PM »
>Sharon

ahahahahahahahahahsob

fuck sharon

Was it you Matsy that dropped something like 8 Sharons?

GH! I have both Chester and Dill Sirius maxskilled! Give me ONE reason to run them! Even if niche! (no, sbr galore for Chester doesn't cut it anymore)

And a certain Water user mentioning black and white getting free handicaps made me remember possibly the stupidest back-to-back attempts i've ever done: Ultimate Dragon Rush

> blind run, lead with YOMIDRA  :colonveeplusalpha:
> final boss takes a look at my team and start laughing uncontrollably
> Zero Blast

you think i learnt the lesson?

> lead with A.Pandora  :derp:
> final boss takes a look at my team and proceed to spam dark absorb 5 times in a row
> too bad with 3 heartmakers i outstalled him  :V
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« Reply #448 on: April 19, 2016, 03:57:51 PM »
Even a single turn of delay breaks Zaerog's resist. He still burns turns of it even if he can't go, so you can get a turn where he has no resists at all if you delay him right before it's about to run out.
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« Reply #449 on: April 19, 2016, 04:55:39 PM »

I when Zaerog spams absorbs, I just bring an Enchilada on Sakuya. Idk what your dark collection looks like, but I'd recommend Okuni. He's pretty cool.

Was it you Matsy that dropped something like 8 Sharons?


Pretty sure it was. I remember trying to roll for Sharon back during the first time the Christmas REM showed up and  Matsy was just like just take any of my 8 bajillion Sharons. Speaking of magicians. Shouldn't they be getting ults soon? It's not like they were ever super popular, so you'd think they'd have happened already.

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