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| CrestedPeak9:
--- Quote from: Despatche on April 28, 2018, 12:13:09 AM ---The problem with MPP is that the skill tree system makes little sense, the game ends up unbalanced because of the skill tree (and because of certain other dumb mechanics/bugs), and the game runs poorly. I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game. --- End quote --- What a positive outlook when the game's system hasn't even been revealed yet. MPP's skill tree system had little to no impact on the game at all; the bonuses were not just situational, the effects were also not evident. The game running poorly is because it's Danmakufu, of course it's not optimized. If FFF ran badly for you, Gore provides an extensive menu of effects that you can cut to make it run smoother. |
| gilde:
the gameplay description just says "collect money and then use it to do Special Move". it's a pretty big leap to assume that means it'll be Exactly Like MPP Run For The Hills imo, especially since gore himself doesn't have the highest opinion of mpp or rss in the first place e: you know what i'm looking forward to! playable komachi! three whole shot types of playable komachi! the player descriptions in the twitter progress shots make all the shot types sound fun and inventive but komachi in particular i am excited to see |
| Despatche:
Some really odd takes going on in here, considering that until very recently I was one of the very few people who even saw all these fangames as anything more than bad jokes. In certain terrible-unfun circles, I still am, of course. Yes, it is a pretty big leap... and I'm not the one saying that, at all. "collect money and use it to special move" sounds a bit more like Oreani 2 or something maybe. That claim about Gore vs th-jss is pretty firey btw, can I get a source? --- Quote from: CrestedPeak9 on April 28, 2018, 04:54:25 PM ---What a positive outlook when the game's system hasn't even been revealed yet. MPP's skill tree system had little to no impact on the game at all; the bonuses were not just situational, the effects were also not evident. The game running poorly is because it's Danmakufu, of course it's not optimized. If FFF ran badly for you, Gore provides an extensive menu of effects that you can cut to make it run smoother. --- End quote --- MPP ran poorly because there's something totally busted in the way it was coded. It actually runs slightly better with certain effects on. RSS and BoSM run significantly better at all times, despite having the same or (arguably) higher graphical quality (especially when you pop a Liberation in RSS). I'm guessing this is something like how people think dnh v0.12m games ran poorly and endlessly made fun of them for it, despite exactly zero v0.12m scripts (except for some mysterious joke script that noone's ever even heard of, I guess) being anywhere near intensive enough to require anything more than a mid-range Pentium 4. As for your totally crazy claim about the skill tree... no. Just... no, I mean there's nothing else for it, literally no. Go play some MPP, and don't let Sanae hit you on the way out. And people tell me to do research. Lord. I don't know, I think I have pretty good reason to be at least a little worried, and I don't see why people feel a need to explain why I shouldn't, especially when that explanation involves totally wrong basic knowledge about games they almost certainly haven't played. This may or may not have something to do with my worry! Probably! Maybe. I don't really like how fangame developers are increasingly trying to appeal to these people, no. |
| gilde:
--- Quote from: Despatche on May 02, 2018, 05:10:34 AM ---I'm not the one saying that [it'll be like MPP], at all --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Despatche on April 22, 2018, 05:19:41 PM ---The gameplay description makes it sound like MPP. Do we really want another MPP? --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Despatche on April 28, 2018, 12:13:09 AM ---The problem with MPP is that (etc). I can already tell you that at least one of those things will happen with this upcoming game. --- End quote --- ??? e: i probably should also say that no, i didn't actually think you Literally assumed it was going to be Literally Exactly like mpp. 'twas hyperbole |
| Despatche:
That kind of hyperbole doesn't really work. It just causes more confusion on top of the initial confusion, plus additional confusion when you're told that it's supposed to be hyperbole. Proof: "pretty big leap" keeps flipping back and forth between "it'll be like MPP" and "it'll be a 1:1 copy of MPP". Why is that? That's not hyperbole. I said the former. I did not and will never say anything even remotely resembling the latter. I'm tired of word games, and attempts at hyperbole, and things that aren't plain English. I am endlessly surrounded by it and endlessly frustrated by it. FFF is already a really dumb game in the fruit mode. Whatever this game turns out to be, there's good reason to believe it'll be more of that same dumbness, and I have a feeling that this game system isn't going to warrant a separate mode like FFF's did. I'd still like a source about Gore's opinions of other games, if anyone has that. |
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