| ~Beyond the Border~ > Sara's Audio-Visual Import-Overflow Retail |
| Batman Vs. Superman: We're Still Letting Zack Snyder Make Movies I guess |
| << < (2/5) > >> |
| trancehime:
--- Quote from: [En]glish Muffin on March 25, 2016, 04:34:57 PM ---And they said Ben was gonna be the sole reason this movie will suck, oh boi were they wrong. --- End quote --- The reason the movie sucked was that the cast was wasted on subpar writing and atrocious editing It's saying something when Wonder Woman steals the show from the two leading dudes even though she has a fraction of the screentime. And that's not a spoiler cause she was in pretty much every tease and trailer of the film. |
| Hello Purvis:
Topical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw Also: Teach me about Superman, CommadantCool! I have never actually met a genuine fan of the guy, and I am curious about your perspectives! |
| commandercool:
--- Quote from: Sivrup on March 26, 2016, 02:28:11 PM ---Also: Teach me about Superman, CommadantCool! I have never actually met a genuine fan of the guy, and I am curious about your perspectives! --- End quote --- Alright, I'll do my best. I've never quite streamlined my answer to that question so this will probably be messy. First of all, I'll clarify that while I like most renditions of Superman, my favorite version is the silver age/early bronze age comic book Superman. DC tends to tinker with Superman's power set, power level, and to a lesser degree personality quite a bit over time, but my favorite Superman is the one who is omnipotent but not omniscient, tends to be relatively isolated from the rest of DC continuity at least within his own book, and who skews a bit more toward being a science fiction hero than a superhero. I think he works a little less well as a deeply-integrated part of the DC universe and as a member of the Justice League. So the first thing that people usually say about Superman is "he's boring because he always wins". I would say that Batman is a bit boring because he always loses, then does research on how to beat whoever beat him, then always wins. They both have a pattern their stories tend to follow, and Superman's is (assuming he's being written competently, which is not always the case especially during certain periods of publication) isn't about getting in a fight with a guy and winning because he's stronger. Superman fighting should rarely be a significant part of the story of a comic. It's usually a foregone conclusion that if he gets in a fight he's going to win in like two panels, so good Superman stories are about solving a problem, not beating an opponent. To be fair often that problem is figuring out how to defeat some enemy that has an invention that makes them hard to get to or have to circumvent one of Superman's weaknesses or something, but the focus is never on the fight. It's on Superman figuring out what kind of wacky science fiction scenario is going on, whether it be fighting-based or not, and devising some kind of complicated plot to fix it. This is a kind of storytelling I really like, and it's very strong in Superman comics from certain eras. But that doesn't speak as much to the character as to the kinds of stories he's involved in. What I like about Superman himself, rather than just his comics, is probably obvious to some degree. I like that he's an everyman, yet also absolutely not an everyman because he does things that no man can do. I like that he holds himself to a high and consistent moral standard, yet in some ways that moral standard is flawed, or at least complex. Superman is, at its core, a story about a man who could solve world hunger but just doesn't. At some point he had to make a series of incredibly difficult decisions about his place in the world, and he decided that he's going to devote a lot of energy to doing good and solving problems, but he isn't going to take the reins of humanity and make the world utopian in his own estimation. He's going to leave humanity to its own devices to a significant degree so that they can continue to grow and change without being utterly diverted by an alien force, and I find that idea to be extremely powerful idea. Superman could easily be a totalitarian force, in the sense that personally if I had his powers I'm not sure I could make the difficult decision to not just fix everything exactly the way I would want it to be. That's a very common depiction of Superman in non-canon DC stories and I think it's an important part of his character. Another one of the significant parts of Superman that really appeals to me is Lex Luthor. It's a commonly-held belief that the best villains are "dark mirrors" of the heroes they go with, and Lex is a fairly subtle and effective version of that. He's not like Bizarro or Zod where he just has Superman's powers but is evil and that's the limit of the inversion. Rather, Lex is a mirror of Superman because they're both "men of tomorrow". Both of them have the potential to do anything they want and to help humanity in nearly limitless ways, but they're both held back by opposite forces. Superman is held back by his selflessness, and is committed to living in an imperfect world because creating a perfect world himself would hold back humanity's creativity and growth. Meanwhile, Lex is held back by his selfishness and lives in an imperfect world because he's too greedy and self-centered to allow his focus to be shifted even a little bit. Just like with the totalitarian Superman being a common alternate version of the character, heroic, world-changing Lex is a common re-interpretation because it's a strong potential he has. Unlike the Joker, Lex could be redeemable which makes him a more complicated and interesting character in my opinion. It might not even take much to get him to make the change. I'm just kind of spewing out ideas here so that probably doesn't make a lot of sense, but hopefully that helps. |
| hyorinryu:
Regardless of reviews, my friends and I are going to go see it anyway and form our own opinions on it. Personally, I had low expectations anyway. I don't know how they could have did it better than the animated version, which was pretty good. Btw, Ccool, have you seen superman vs. the elite? That sort of sounds like the superman you're describing. |
| Failure McFailFace:
I watched it with my friends on Friday. I came in with an open mind, came out thinking it was great. Except for first 10 minutes or so, aka Batman's origin story thing. I was really confused as to what was going in there. |
| Navigation |
| Message Index |
| Next page |
| Previous page |