Author Topic: Fire Emblem: Fates - More waifu, more husbando, more sales! (Read 95000 times)

CF7 · « **Reply #240 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:44:12 PM »

Thanks for the answers regarding weapons, everyone.

Quote from: commandercool on July 18, 2016, 01:02:50 PM

Which game are you playing? Conquest or Birthright?

If you have a female Corrin, Jakob is very good. Especially in Conquest where healers are a bit rare. He's not my favorite healer and his son tends to be one of the weakest child units, but he's certainly good.

Fire Emblem: Fates, i.e. i haven't reached the route split yet. :V
But i am siding with Nohr.

Yes my Corrin is female.
Btw, does heal staff abuse on stationary bosses still work for your healers, or considering your limited resources in Conquest it's not a viable tactic?

commandercool · « **Reply #241 on:** July 18, 2016, 03:33:54 PM »

Quote from: Mеа on July 18, 2016, 02:27:35 PM

Considering we want to conserve freezes, does that mean you did the frozen village chapter without them?

I used a couple on Hard, did not use any on Lunatic. Had to let one village (the closest one to your starting area) go, but that's okay. The reward isn't that significant comparatively. Quite often the optional rewards aren't worth the cost, but that's something you have to feel out as you go.

Quote from: CF7 on July 18, 2016, 02:44:12 PM

Btw, does heal staff abuse on stationary bosses still work for your healers, or considering your limited resources in Conquest it's not a viable tactic?

Healing experience scales depending on your class, what staff you're using, and the level of the healer and the healed. There are times it can be handy to power-level your healers (Tactician Elise is one of the best units in the game so it's very important to keep her leveled) but it's not necessary.

As for whether the cost is worth it given your limited resources, that probably depends a bit on your strategy. Provided you don't keep doing it even once experience slows to a trickle it can be worth the small cost of a Heal or Mend staff. Keep in mind that healing ranks up relationships too, so it can be useful for grinding out S-ranks.

Mеа · « **Reply #242 on:** July 18, 2016, 05:34:13 PM »

Quote from: CF7 on July 18, 2016, 02:44:12 PM

Btw, does heal staff abuse on stationary bosses still work for your healers, or considering your limited resources in Conquest it's not a viable tactic?

that is a genius idea, I'm doing that next time

I almost want to reset the game and start over again, paying more attention to relationshipping and feeding specific units. Except then I would have challenge failed and that disgruntles me.

commandercool · « **Reply #243 on:** July 18, 2016, 05:38:47 PM »

Mozu's paralogue is a great resource for grinding up weapon levels and relationships because the Faceless boss there is the game's only stationary boss with no range, even on Lunatic. You can do some goofy stuff with that guy.

Mеа · « **Reply #244 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:24:57 PM »

Is niles dying acceptable?

commandercool · « **Reply #245 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »

No. He's probably the most important non-royal unit. His personal ability is extremely helpful. It's a ticket to getting an assortment of bullshit lategame units including the infamous Rallyman, who has four different Rally skills. Chapter 25 is also even harder without him, and he's probably the second-best healer in Conquest.

Niles and Effie are the only two non-royals I consider to be non-optional. So I would highly advise against losing him.

Mеа · « **Reply #246 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:54:09 PM »

good thing I'm so masochistic I'm already replaying this then

I think I've got it pretty much figured out though, keep finding new tricks

commandercool · « **Reply #247 on:** July 18, 2016, 08:59:24 PM »

"Good thing I'm a masochist" is a very helpful attitude in this situation. It's how I've gotten as far as I have.

Finding new tricks is important too. Once you run out of tricks, that's when you know shit has really gotten real.

CF7 · « **Reply #248 on:** July 18, 2016, 09:11:23 PM »

And so my baby girl decided to Embrace the Dark.
Thoughts so far. Difficulty wise it was mostly okay, but i had to think quite a bit in some places in chapter 4 & 5. Chapter 6 is mostly filler. Jakob has been leveling up like a baws save for his magic. Also it's kind of funny how one time MC got two 1 stat level ups in one chapter. First being just luck and the other being... res, which is her bane even. Oh, well, it's not like i mind restarting 1 chapter.

Mеа · « **Reply #249 on:** July 18, 2016, 10:57:16 PM »

I FINALLY DID IT NO DEATH CLEAR

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I am so exhausted. I'm gonna cry that took so long

e: and I got all the villages, these are tears of confusion, exhaustion and no, not joy, only relief. That of the ephemeral sort -- a quick taking of shelter from the blistering sun in the shadow of your enemies.

commandercool · « **Reply #250 on:** July 18, 2016, 11:53:48 PM »

Congratulations! :dragonforce:

That's better than my clear since I let Selena die (not that I intended to use her anyway).

That chapter is pretty interesting in that I got a legit adrenaline rush during the last two turns, which probably shouldn't happen in a slow turn-based strategy game.

Now that's only the third or fourth hardest chapter in the game... Although it is the only extremely difficult chapter that happens early in the game before you get your team synergies and nice equipment going. Even though there will be MUCH harder battles you should hopefully be comparatively better equipped for them.

Your next major trial will most likely be chapter 19. That's not to say that the chapters in between 10 and 19 are easy, but they shouldn't be this bad. And 19 is very manageable if you have a well-rounded team and Elise once you realize the secret.

And yeah, you've noticed that this game is very good at making your victories not really feel like victories. Because even after an extremely difficult battle you know it will only get worse.

Mеа · « **Reply #251 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:02:57 AM »

btw, are there any penalties against having victories after extremely long turn counts? I want to use azura's sing on all of her potential partners like a million times (or however much interactions do you need to get the next heart event anyway?) and also elise's heal trick.

commandercool · « **Reply #252 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:06:23 AM »

No, not really, but if you're going to do that plan om doimg it soon. A lot of late-game levels (and some earlier ones, so play it by ear) have brutal reinforcement waves to keep you moving forward.

Mеа · « **Reply #253 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:26:16 AM »

Cool cool, chapter 11 looks like the perfect place to do it, with the isolated mansions and stairs.

e: okay what. The ingame description of the hexing rod makes it sound like the halved hp will go away after one battle not the whole chapter wth. Reset+1

commandercool · « **Reply #254 on:** July 19, 2016, 01:48:44 AM »

Hexing Rod is savage. Beware Hexing Rod. Do note that you can usually bait it out onto pairup fodder, filler units, or characters too fragile to be put in harm's way anyway. Elise is good at eating Hexing Rods to the face, especially since they usually have a half-decent chance of just missing her.

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CF7 · « **Reply #255 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM »

Mozu died in her own paralogue, because i am a horrible person. Right after being recruited too... Cleared chapter 8. I am assuming that... ahem Odin is there for some other reason, than, "hello i am a cameo from FE:A".
Niles is kinda great, but so far out of 3 level ups none of them were str.
Elise's level ups on other hand are stupidly good. I am guessing when she actually promotes, she'll be an unstoppable murder machine.
Jakob continues being amazing and if there's an option to reclass him into something like assassin, that would be great.

commandercool · « **Reply #256 on:** July 19, 2016, 02:37:49 AM »

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM

Mozu died in her own paralogue, because i am a horrible person. Right after being recruited too...

Mean! I'd have restarted.

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM

Cleared chapter 8. I am assuming that... ahem Odin is there for some other reason, than, "hello i am a cameo from FE:A".

Is Odin based on an Awakening character? Which one? I don't remember. There are two Awakening cameos in this game (

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) but I didn't realize Odin was one.

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM

Niles is kinda great, but so far out of 3 level ups none of them were str.

Lack of strength is his only major weakness. It's nothing too troubling for him all things considered.

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM

Elise's level ups on other hand are stupidly good. I am guessing when she actually promotes, she'll be an unstoppable murder machine.

Yes.

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 02:30:30 AM

Jakob continues being amazing and if there's an option to reclass him into something like assassin, that would be great.

Assassin isn't in this game. Closest is Ninja Master, and getting him there is possible but probably tricky. Doing it in Conquest might actually be impossible unless he marries Corrin and she's got Ninja as her secondary class. I don't remember, haven't messed with reclassing that much.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #257 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:59:27 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 19, 2016, 02:37:49 AM

Is Odin based on an Awakening character? Which one? I don't remember. There are two Awakening cameos in this game (
Spoiler:
Tharja and Gaius
) but I didn't realize Odin was one.

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commandercool · « **Reply #258 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:04:16 AM »

Quote from: Purji Costavis on July 19, 2016, 03:59:27 AM

Spoiler:
Laslow, Selena, and Odin are all from Awakening with slightly different names; as well as Caeldori

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Rei Scarlette · « **Reply #259 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:11:38 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 19, 2016, 04:04:16 AM

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Wow, I don't remember any of those characters from Awakening. Child characters I never got around to I assume? And I have no idea who Caeldori is. Interesting.[/url]

(spoiler: who one of the characters is)

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That aside, I really have to get back to playing this game. I got busy with real life stuff and just haven't been thinking about it much recently.

Mеа · « **Reply #260 on:** July 19, 2016, 06:28:59 AM »

Azura's midnight concert (and Hinoka's like wth are they doing)

I entered the chapter with her at like level 6 or something

Total time: 243 mf turns
Aside from levelling Azura a little under 20 levels, I got her staff rank from zero C to a B. Elise's staff rank is now stuck at the cap, which is B and I got her from level 10ish to level 17 now. Judging by how empty both their inventory slots are, I used about 100 heal rods.

Must say I was getting very paranoid by like the 150th turn. Double double checking every move to not accidentally leave someone in the boss danger zone.

?q · « **Reply #261 on:** July 19, 2016, 10:49:55 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 19, 2016, 02:37:49 AM

Assassin isn't in this game. Closest is Ninja Master, and getting him there is possible but probably tricky. Doing it in Conquest might actually be impossible unless he marries Corrin and she's got Ninja as her secondary class. I don't remember, haven't messed with reclassing that much.

That's correct. Reclassing Jakob is pretty amazing in general, unless it's to Strategist.

It's worth pointing out that there's a cap on how much support you can get out of one Chapter.

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Think Komachi with a Rifle · « **Reply #262 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:21:52 PM »

Quote from: Purji Costavis on July 19, 2016, 03:59:27 AM

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Laslow, Selena, and Odin are all from Awakening with slightly different names; as well as Caeldori

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CF7 · « **Reply #263 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:20:28 PM »

So, Conquest Chapter 9 cleared. Had to restart 3 times.
First reset was due to Elise dying and me not being aware of the fact, that front group attacks all at once, while i sent half my team down.
Second reset was due to Niles missing 1 of 2 his 86% to hit attacks and got murderized.
And third was due to asshole reinforcements. The game basically tells you. "Hey, here's the breakable wall to the north and you can be all sneaky like and go around the main force". You step on one tile and it brings asshole reinforcements out of nowhere. 3 sword guys and 2 archers. On your turn. And one archer from said reinforcements is hard coded to go after Azura, it seems. Elise with her new Rescue Staff was all the way to the left for whatever reason and couldn't rescue her. And here i am looking at the screen and seeing these fine numbers and a realization that there's jack you can do slowly settles in...
Azura's HP - 16.
Damage 16.
Hit - 79%.

Fourth time was a total success.
So here's my LV 20 Songstress Azura.

HP - 20
STR - 18
MAG - 9
SKL - 25
SPD - 21
LCK - 19 (4 from her skill)
DEF - 7
RES - 17.

I can reclass her into lvl 20 Sky Knight (Gives her -3 skl (hitting cap), +2 spd, +1 lck, +3 res. And actually those stats, for a "girl on a flying horse" class at level 20, are more than adequate i think) using the seal the boss dropped, and then instantly promote her to that weird bird thing so she can use bows. Flier, who can murder other fliers sounds kinda good. Thoughts?

commandercool · « **Reply #264 on:** July 19, 2016, 03:54:09 PM »

Probably don't reclass Azura. Songstress is a great class and she's the ONLY way to have one.

Also not sure what happens to her weird level cap properties when you reclass her, but I'm guessing she doesn't retain them? And if that's the case promoting her to the second stage before level capping her first-stage class is a waste. Doing so will permanently cripple her stats.

Think Komachi with a Rifle · « **Reply #265 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:01:18 PM »

Quote from: CF7 on July 19, 2016, 03:20:28 PM

I can reclass her into lvl 20 Sky Knight (Gives her -3 skl (hitting cap), +2 spd, +1 lck, +3 res. And actually those stats, for a "girl on a flying horse" class at level 20, are more than adequate i think) using the seal the boss dropped, and then instantly promote her to that weird bird thing so she can use bows. Flier, who can murder other fliers sounds kinda good. Thoughts?

That would be a mistake (using 2 seals where 1 would work fine), level to 21 then you can heart seal straight to the advanced class at lvl 1 (you don't miss out on base class' skills doing this).
Azura's starting level cap is 40, she gains a songstress skill at level 25 and 35.

Think Komachi with a Rifle · « **Reply #266 on:** July 19, 2016, 04:04:28 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 19, 2016, 03:54:09 PM

Probably don't reclass Azura. Songstress is a great class and she's the ONLY way to have one.

Also not sure what happens to her weird level cap properties when you reclass her, but I'm guessing she doesn't retain them? And if that's the case promoting her to the second stage before level capping her first-stage class is a waste. Doing so will permanently cripple her stats.

For re-classing level 21 base class is treated as level 1 advanced. Same if you want to give an advanced class a DLC one, they gain 20 levels as those are base classes.
Azura is more like a DLC class.

The real weird cases are
Felicia, Jakob and Gunter
The maid/ butler have an extra 20 levels despite starting as advanced classes, so re-class at 15 and get building crazy skill sets. Gunter has an extra 10 levels.

commandercool · « **Reply #267 on:** July 19, 2016, 07:11:07 PM »

Alright, I think I got my Conquest 26 lunatic pretty close to down. There are two wings you can take to get to the end, and I can get through the east one

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just about every time without taking any Hexing Rod hits. I also have a setup that can tank the bottom room forever and slowly chip it down, but while I'm doing that two reinforcement waves spawn elsewhere and dealing with those has been tricky.

Once I get that down, and I will, it's just a matter of deciding whether I want to try to take on the west wing as well. I can just park someone on the throne and seize it the second things get hairy, but I'm not sure if I should take the time to figure out how to fully clear that part too.

I may just plan on creating an extra save afterward and re-trying if it looks like I'll need the extra experience. I can probably level cap just about everyone on the last castle invasion and maybe even squeeze out one more paralogue though so that may not be necessary.

Edit: God dammit, the game knows the jig is up so it's compensating by ending every one of my runs with a random sub-five-percent critical hit. Thanks video game. Three runs later and pretty much my whole afternoon is gone.

Meanwhile, I have no fewer than four female characters grinding up relationships with Niles as hard as possible. They're all B-rank and I don't know how far in any of them are, so my hope is that I can get at least one to A and then use a Seeds of Trust and the last castle battle to get them up to S. Not even sure it's possible to get to S in one battle, but if I can't it's no huge loss.

Edit edit: Oh. Huh. I just had a kind of weird loss. Had the reinforcement waves that were giving me trouble on lock, and had Corrin+Leo and Mozu+Xander tanking the entire south room at the chokepoint in the east entryway. I had the math worked out so that I could tank for quite a number of turns before theoretically running out of Physic staves, but by then I would have the reinforcements dealt with and would be able to regroup and rush the room. I realized at the last moment when one of the Berserkers took on Corrin that if I got a Dragon Fang activation he would die and clear a space for another Berserker to get in, which was more damage than I would be able to tank. So of course I got the Dragon Fang and lost an hour's worth of playtime. Ugh. Guess I'm gonna have to disable Dragon Fang, which sucks because it's really useful when tanking the Generals. Just run-endingly bad when tanking the Berserkers.

Mеа · « **Reply #268 on:** July 20, 2016, 06:27:20 AM »

I accidentally read somewhere SPOILERS

Spoiler:

Except wait that doesn't make any sense. It would probably be faster just to redo it. Aaaarrrggghhh

e: ok fine fukit I'm just redoing it. This time THEY STAY TOGETHER THE WHOLE TIME

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #269 on:** July 20, 2016, 06:42:44 AM »

Do a couple online battles and you'll get another visit.