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Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« on: December 13, 2015, 01:59:06 AM »
Hi. I've been struggling with 1cc'ing normal embodiment scarlet devil for months and I've been practicing and the most I've I gotten to is either sakuya defeating me or the patchy stage wrecking me by me forgetting to bomb. I've been able to get to red magic on remi in practice and I have perfected the patchy stage and sakuya stage. But the problem is most time I can't even get to clear and practice the boss spellcards due to practice mode only having two lives. I want to be able to practice spellcards instead of the stages. So my question is is there a way to do that with a patch or something. Otherwise what is the best way to practice so I can 1cc cause the practice mode just isn't helping? Thanks

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 02:13:55 AM »
The game does give you score-based extends in practice mode, so you gain an extra life or two, but I suppose that's not enough?

You could use the attached table with Cheat Engine to modify/lock the life count, if you don't mind using a cheat when it's just for practice.

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 05:50:00 AM »
just a wild stab that MIGHT help, but if you're having a hard time with patchy's non-cards (non-directional laser it's called) as I did when I was new is that you basically stay near the middle and move as little as possible, and towards the laser as it moves towards you at that (assuming you start on 'half' of the screen the laser is not sweeping down), and IIRC you can actually move right thru the laser shortly before its display is removed. Then you just repeat in the opposite direction. As for Sakuya's world spell, I don't know if anyone uses the same tactic as me, but iirc, the spell looks like it just kinda tosses all over the place randomly, but it kinda does favor your GENERAL location more.. so if you move quite a bit further than you think you need to, avoiding dem knives should be easier.

I know you weren't asking for advice to specific attacks, I just thought I'd mention them since someone answered your question directly already =P

Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 01:27:49 PM »
Thanks everyone.  I just cant figure out what i've been doing wrong. Ive done nothing but watch replays and practicing non stop and I have pretty much every pattern memorized, But when I go to start a run I find myself dying at random times and it feels like if you lose just 1 life without bombing its game over. I guess I still cant manage my resources even starting with 5 lives. I'm just so confused at what im doing wrong.

Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 01:38:36 PM »
Perhaps i'll try using the cheat engine on practice mode with max lives and play lunatic on the stages im having trouble with to push myself harder and if im lucky ill get used to harder patterns and make normal seem like a joke. I remember when I first got into touhou a couple years ago and the first game i played was eosd and I didnt know how to play and set up the game well so I would end up doing no focus lunatic runs starting with no lives and could get to stage 3. After I figured out the mechanics I would play on easy and barely make it through with all my continues. I was hoping after I beat lolk pointdevice on normal I would be able to clear any touhou game 1cc but that unfortunately didnt work out.

Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 08:47:48 PM »
This is a bit of a random idea, but maybe you're getting input lag on EoSD? You can try using these links from the wiki. Vsync reduces input lag and has a few other bonuses as well (also shown on the wiki). If I remember correctly, the download includes general instructions.

If you try this, don't forget what the wiki says about an alternate .dll for EoSD, because I think you have to use AppLocale or something otherwise and that's probably harder.

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 01:29:10 AM »
The vsync patch expects the EoSD executable to be named 東方紅魔郷.exe since that's what it is upon install. If your operating system doesn't like running programs with japanese in its filename then you likely need to run AppLocale or LocaleSwitch. The alternate unicode dll is there so that on some systems you can actually use the name 東方紅魔郷.exe and not ?????g????.exe, iirc.

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 07:34:07 PM »
I use vsync for all the touhou games. so thats not an issue

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2015, 06:23:58 PM »
If your goal is 1 CC, perhaps you should play on hard for now and then later come back to normal?

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Re: Embodiment of scarlet devil practice
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 03:11:35 AM »
A few asides...

Also, if you're aiming to do normal don't jump into lunatic, even with cheat engine, it'd just frustrate you.

Do hard to practice pure dodging if you'd like, use normal difficulty practice to learn routes for the stages. On EoSD there's quite a few normal -> hard differences so make sure you know how each attack unfolds on normal too.
Don't just practice the stages brainlessly - think about how the enemies spawn, how they fire etc, and think about what ways would be good for manuvering each part safely (including not screwing you over once the next part comes).

Also, in terms of replays, watch things such as NMNB runs, lunatic 1ccs etc. - I'm not sure if you've been doing this already, but don't just watch the bare minimum in replays. Of course, do watch things at around your skill level too, but things like NMNBs runs might have unique and helpful strategies for difficult points.

For Patchouli's nonspells, you can stay at the middle, moving left/right to dodge the second laser in each wave - if you're right under her, the first laser will lose it's hitbox before reaching the middle under her. Basically, move towards the first laser as it gets very close to you, then stream the spam back under her.
This video does a nice job showing how it works.
What shot-type do you use? can't really help with Patchy any more if we don't know.

As for Sakuya...
For her midboss nonspell, it's kind of hard to explain... sort of dodge through the knives in one movement, be aggressive. Watch a replay to get a better idea. And there's always the safespot above her.
Misdirection, the midboss card, is entirely aimed. Just stream it it left/right near the middle and you SHOULD capture it, don't be afraid to bomb if it looks like you aren't though, it's worth it for the extra life.

For her boss nonspells, it's a matter of being aggressive and making sure you don't get trapped. Look ahead and go through openings while they're there, try to go where it looks like there's going to be openings.
Clock Corpse - dodge the opening wave, then after time resumes, move away horizontally from where you were when time froze - a large portion of knives will be aimed there. After that, dodge through what is left, rinse and repeat.
The World - move up as high as you can between waves to misdirect, go down when time stops. Rinse and repeat.
Marionette - you can kind of misdirect it by being to the far left/right when she fires.

Beyond that... well, it's simply learning how to bomb well. It'd be a good idea to know what you can and cannot consistently do, and bomb things you cannot consistently do in an advantageous way - say in my PCB lunatic 1cc, where I used Duplex Barrier to immediately kill off most of Youmu's and some of Yuyuko's spellcards since otherwise there's no guarantee only 1 bomb will kill them.

There's no spell practice patch (unfortunately), but you can use save-states...
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