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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #660 on: January 03, 2016, 04:28:58 PM »
Thanks !

I started to reroll, and got Avalon Drake on the second reroll. I saw he is a good monster to start with, but should I try to get a better one ?

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #661 on: January 03, 2016, 04:58:35 PM »
Avalon Drake is strong and solid for a beginner. Just fill up your team with wood and have fun. He's also a good late game sub too since his active is strong and he's got decent awakenings.

I'd personally say to try to get something a little more risk/reward oriented (a combo count or color matching lead, which usually gives better damage multipliers), though. It's better to learn how to manipulate the board as early as possible before you get into any poor habits. That's just my opinion though, since I played a very "easy" lead when I started and I had a really hard time learning how to play more difficult styles later on. (And by "easy" I mean I had Lucifer, who let me just lazily cheese my way through early game and left me stranded on harder stuff. He's by no means a lightweight though, he just needs very specific team builds, a lot of patience, and a lot of planning later on-- consider it akin to playing a chess match where you have to be many moves ahead of your opponent. rdj522 mains him and has cleared a ton of super hard stuff with him!)

I suggest trying to get one of the Chinese gods, personally (Leilan, Karin, Meimei, Haku, or Sakuya). They're very good early on and stay solid all the way to endgame, and allow versatile team building and decent multipliers for a relatively easy activation. You'll not have any trouble finding good friends for them here, either, since at least one of us often uses at least one of them, completely maxed out (aka "hypermax"). Chirei has a hypermax Leilan, jq1790 has a hypermax Karin, I think Chaore has a hypermax Meimei, Yukarin has a hypermax Haku, and I have a hypermax Sakuya. Take your pick!
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #662 on: January 03, 2016, 05:11:02 PM »
Thanks !

I started to reroll, and got Avalon Drake on the second reroll. I saw he is a good monster to start with, but should I try to get a better one ?

It's my opinion that rerolling isn't necessary, but if you do want to reroll that's not a bad place to start at all.

It's a tiny bit of a shame that you started today and not yesterday, since we just ended an event that made getting fairly rare monsters a lot easier and you may have been able to grab a couple, but I'm sure you'll be fine.

Edit: I just realized that Alrescha does have a direct current use for me after all. She lets me run a lock-immune Gabriel team. If I really need to be lock immune (which, to be fair, is rare to never since I can just stall out locks with no trouble) I can run Gabriel/Alrescha/Ruka/Sun Quan/Beyzul/Gabriel. Not much bind resistance and a critically low number of skillboosts, but hey, it would be an excuse to run Ruka again. No idea if this will ever actually come up, but it might be worth maxing Alrescha for just to know I have.

And if I did end up buying Neptune Dragon she would probably end up on that team for the same reason, since her lack of rows probably wouldn't matter much. NepDra/Reine/Gabe/Alrescha/Snow White/NepDra seems solid I think? Again kind of low on skillboosts and maybe not as bulky as it could be, but it's fairly resistant to most forms of disruption.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #663 on: January 03, 2016, 05:40:30 PM »
Alrescha

Don't forget that she can also blow away jammers and poison, the latter of which could be fatal to gabe.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #664 on: January 03, 2016, 06:03:37 PM »
Don't forget that she can also blow away jammers and poison, the latter of which could be fatal to gabe.

Certainly. She adds a surprising amount of utility for an orbchanger.

Although it's pretty rare that I feel threatened by poison with Gabe. Because poison will avoid changing away hearts, I can usually more than keep pace with it. Where it potentially gets deadly is paired with a consistent source of normal damage, but that's rare. Or fullscreen poison. Alrescha would let Gabe farm Devil Rush. I'd be more worried about hypothetical Neptune Dragon getting poisoned since he'd be running fewer heartmakers and needs orbs more, but the damage isn't so high that it's usually more than an annoyance for a team with a recovery modifier.

I just combed back over my box, and I have enough MP sitting around in duplicate pantheon gods, elementals, duplicate event silver, and chibis that I could get up to 300,000 right now without even really losing anything (and while regaining some box real-estate to boot). I'm not necessarily going to do that, but I'm going to weigh my options. I'll play pros and cons later.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #665 on: January 03, 2016, 07:21:20 PM »
Because poison will avoid changing away hearts

There are some instances of non-fullboard poison being able to change away hearts - so be mindful of this later.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #666 on: January 03, 2016, 07:25:15 PM »
There are some instances of non-fullboard poison being able to change away hearts - so be mindful of this later.

Oh yeah? Which ones? Via what mechanics?That's interesting.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #667 on: January 03, 2016, 07:48:34 PM »
I did not even remember that poison avoided hearts at all, which is an interesting point I will need to keep in mind for the future I think.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #668 on: January 03, 2016, 11:11:06 PM »
Oh yeah? Which ones? Via what mechanics?That's interesting.

I don't remember exactly which enemies do it, but I do know for sure that it's good not to let your guard down and assume hearts are always safe from poison.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #669 on: January 03, 2016, 11:49:56 PM »
Alright, this is what I think of Neptune Dragon. Let me know if I'm way off-base on any of this or if you have any further input, opinions, or advice.

Pros:
-Seems pretty strong. A 36x rows lead with four rows should hit like a truck.
-Recovery modifier is higher than some of my current Gabriel teams (2.25x with NepDra/NepDra vs. 2x with Gabriel/Ryune).
-Leader skill is flexible, so with the right testing he should be able to hit even through damage shields.
-Best art of any of the MP dragons by far.
-High natural HP, which is especially handy given that he has no HP modifier.
-Strongest poison in the game (?).
-Poison is not usually a very stackable skill, but the added haste means it will always pull a lot of weight even if nothing in the dungeon cares about it.
-Skill lock resist means it's very plausible to get 100% resistance.
-Most of the subs I would use for him are already hypermax.
-Has sub potential as well as lead potential thanks to his great awakenings and niche skill.
-The way his leader skill works makes getting three rows and also maxing out his modifier impossible, which means I'm not obligated to try to set up tricky triple row boards. Seems easy to play.
-His team (or at least the team I'm considering) seems resilient to most forms of disruption.

Cons:
-Seems pretty orb-hungry. Might be hard to keep up consistent damage without constantly using skills.
-Might struggle with combo shields.
-Only one skillboost and a long minimum cooldown means his teams will probably be fairly slow.
-Annoying dark row in his awakenings is basically just a trick to make him look like he has more awakenings than he actually does.
-Need for a lot of orbchangers to fuel his leader skill coupled with the fact that he doesn't orbchange himself means limited room for utility actives like delays, shields, or even damage boosts.
-Low natural recovery.
-Seems obvious, but he's expensive. If I buy him I'll be completely cleaned out on monster points, so Gungho will inevitably announce something else I'd rather have right away and I won't be able to afford it for a long time.
-Seems potentially extremely vulnerable to skill delay, which is the hardest status to build against anyway (unless you're loaded).
-Doesn't seem very efficient for ranking dungeons like no skills or no awakenings, since he relies on skills to fuel his leader skill modifier.


I don't watch much PAD gameplay, so I haven't ever seen anyone play him, and I don't keep up with high-tier teams, so for anyone who does: Can Neptune Dragon clear very hard content? Should I expect to be able to clear Challenge 10 or maybe even Arena with him? And if so do I need an extremely specific team to do it? I know I should expect his damage to be high, but I don't really know how high.

I don't remember exactly which enemies do it, but I do know for sure that it's good not to let your guard down and assume hearts are always safe from poison.

Huh. That's ominous. :V
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #670 on: January 03, 2016, 11:56:37 PM »
Neptune Dragon is like just under Ra/Yomi in terms of Arena viability


I think the main thing that hold him back might actually be lack of bind immunity which Ra/Yomi have

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #671 on: January 03, 2016, 11:58:50 PM »
Consider this. Zaerogoo, with only twelve dark orbs and x36, hits for multi million damage. Sure, there are orb enhances kicking in, but still.

Neptune-dora, with even a singular row of orbs, provided you hit x36? And with all the rows that you have already? You probably don't even need to make two rows to kill most things. Maaaybe some spare change and combos will be all you need.

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #672 on: January 04, 2016, 01:05:43 AM »
Still rerolling here :( maybe one or two more, and I'll go to sleep (it's 2:00 am here..)

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #673 on: January 04, 2016, 02:40:29 AM »
re: poison converting hearts away -- I haven't noticed any direct trends, but here's what I've got off the top of my head:

-- Beelzebub (outside of fullboards) will not
-- Orchid will (I'm assuming this is because No RCV dungeon)
-- Beach Awilda will (not sure here, but the tooltip for her skill says "spawn" instead of Beelzebub's "convert")
-- Black Baron (in Hera-Sowilo) will not
-- DIzanami will not
-- Sherospada (in Deus ex Machina) will (because it's a column change and doesn't care)

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #674 on: January 04, 2016, 03:22:20 AM »
What's the required HP threshhold for Ultimate Arena? The Neptune Dragon team I was considering (Dagon/Reine/Gabe/Snow White/Alrescha/Dagon) has 25,821 hypermax but without latents. Would that be enough?
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #675 on: January 04, 2016, 03:30:00 AM »
The main things are you need some way to survive DQHera's 38k preemptive and Parvati's 30k low HP attack (although you can just kill her with neptune dragon before she does that attack since you have much better damage control than ra dragon)

So you either need a shield, or stack dark latents. But even with 30 dark resist latents you still need about 27k hp to survive that that team wouldn't work

Or just pray for no spawn

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #676 on: January 04, 2016, 04:18:38 AM »
Christ, yeah, 38k is completely undoable. Does monoblue even have a significant shield other than the blue golem? I can't think of one, but maybe there's an obvious one I'm missing.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #677 on: January 04, 2016, 04:28:41 AM »
Awilda is 35% reduction for 1 turn at 5 cd(also a 20x attack on one enemy but who cares).  Decent stats(4070/1940/557 at +297), but with only a single OE and SB as Awakenings.

Summer Awilda meanwhile is 4073/2343/356 at +297 and has 5 OE and 4 water resists with the same skill as her normal farmable form.

Other than that? Nothing for NA, no.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #678 on: January 04, 2016, 04:44:54 AM »
Can't think of any leader swaps that would fit on the team, either. Neither Tengu nor stone dragons are really suitable.

Light Izanami?

Also.


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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #679 on: January 04, 2016, 04:59:20 AM »
Awilda is 35% reduction for 1 turn at 5 cd(also a 20x attack on one enemy but who cares).  Decent stats(4070/1940/557 at +297), but with only a single OE and SB as Awakenings.

Summer Awilda meanwhile is 4073/2343/356 at +297 and has 5 OE and 4 water resists with the same skill as her normal farmable form.

Other than that? Nothing for NA, no.

Game wouldn't let me have Summer Awilda no matter how hard I tried (and I even IAPed for her). And even I'm not crazy enough to hypermax a biweekly dragon.

Light Izanami?

Mebbe. Although she adds so little else to the team that I would almost be inclined to just throw Kushinada in at that point.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #680 on: January 04, 2016, 05:31:56 AM »
Nah your prob better off just praying for no DQ

If you put in weird subs you just die to other stuff instead

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #681 on: January 04, 2016, 05:32:28 AM »
hey so uh
Zuoh and Typhon. Are these guys really useful for anything yet? Or could I sell them for 65K without regrets?

I'll probably wait until the future to see if I get more fodder to sell, though.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #682 on: January 04, 2016, 05:47:31 AM »
they're okay but :meta: and :exposure:

honestly if you don't have any immediate desire to use them feel free to if you want

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #683 on: January 04, 2016, 05:53:31 AM »
Carrying Typhon through DXM is pretty hilarious if you want a free turn where she just heals you.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #684 on: January 04, 2016, 06:10:52 AM »
Remember when you used to sit in Legendary Earth, and nobody cared about you?

;_;

Also... That's it, I'm done with Journey to the West. I'm so close to finishing my Lakshmi team and all I really need is Dick McDouchenozzle Sha Wujing, but fuck it.

I'm doing my AMinerva team now just to spite this goddamn dungeon.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #685 on: January 04, 2016, 09:43:18 AM »
Ok, time to farm +eggs in Hera-Sowilo, her descent is statistically the second-best!



Remember kids, the key word is statistically  :V

Btw Gungho, i really appreciate all the nice things you are putting into this event but have you ever heard the saying "too much of a good thing"?

- Sowilo and Co. = +eggs
- Wood Cat Dragon = Osiris and Delgado skillups
- Shinrabansho 1 = Dragon Rider, Masterion and Kai skillups
- Shinrabansho 2 = Asmodeus and Sticker Girls skillups
- Kapibara = Thanatos skillups (i know elementals are crap, but it's the principle, and he is actually the most usable of the bunch)
- Extreme King Metal Dragon = i need 1 more fatty

and thanks god i don't have to run Shadow Sprite (gonna wait the update when base form get the active), Challenge (can't clear 9 and 10....my badpyyyy ?_?) or Nordis (don't have a team that can clear it)!!
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #686 on: January 04, 2016, 09:51:52 AM »


No turning back now.

The survivors, plus Yomi Dragon?

Bastet/Susano/Meimei/Liu Bei were left intact.
Kept both Kirins for some reason.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #687 on: January 04, 2016, 10:04:42 AM »
Grats on YomiDra Fanatic!

MECHA ZEUS IS OUT.

He is Light, same awakenings as Mecha Hera but with Light rows and Devil Killer and the expected titanic stats (Ares has just been dethroned as highest atk in the game! Now to wait for Mecha Ares to pierce fatty defense without TPA  ::))

Oh and in co-op, while at full health, dual Mecha Zeus is a STATIC x76.5 ATK and x.6.25 RCV  :V
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #688 on: January 04, 2016, 10:18:43 AM »
How does a

Sarasvati / Alrescha / Nut / I&I (Awoken?) / BValk / Sarasvati

sound? I get to have 2 hasters in Alrescha and I&I (B/L's skill would have faster 3 less CD, but worse awakenings).
Or maybe A. Haku instead of I&I since she's a board changer and a haster. Comes with a SBR as well, though 60% is still pretty sketchy. Perhaps substitute in a Beach Meta if I was really scared of binds, not sure who to replace though. Or Orochi for delay. Going to need a crapton of skill ups for everyone though.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVI - Everyday Christmas With Monster Musume
« Reply #689 on: January 04, 2016, 11:19:53 AM »
How does a

Sarasvati / Alrescha / Nut / I&I (Awoken?) / BValk / Sarasvati

sound? I get to have 2 hasters in Alrescha and I&I (B/L's skill would have faster 3 less CD, but worse awakenings).
Or maybe A. Haku instead of I&I since she's a board changer and a haster. Comes with a SBR as well, though 60% is still pretty sketchy. Perhaps substitute in a Beach Meta if I was really scared of binds, not sure who to replace though. Or Orochi for delay. Going to need a crapton of skill ups for everyone though.

I need a new project once my Kirin team comes to a good resting point.

Don't know much about Sara (despite having a maxed one myself  :derp:) but as far as i've heard she has very high damage but is fragile, so try to plan your subs considering that.
On a side note, if you own an Andromeda or Gabriel you could put Awoken I&I as leader and go for the I&I/Ryune team that is all the rage nowadays. With either of the 2 and BValk you are already over halfway there.