Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 15F (Read 269178 times)

Otaku · « **Reply #570 on:** February 11, 2016, 09:30:34 PM »

Thanks a lot for the help with the Tenshi fight, it was much easier with Rumia/Satori than i thought it would be :3

Nyxnyx · « **Reply #571 on:** February 18, 2016, 01:56:49 PM »

Well a bit late here but I just finished every last boss the game has to offer. Sadly with Aya.

Quote from: Serela on February 11, 2016, 12:02:03 AM

SPD Build Aya can be pretty silly, yeah. Considering she has a 100% go-first-turn passive and that, yeah, if you build for speed (and she's got a passive spd buff too) you move pretty blindingly fast, it's just not usually worth building a character specifically for SPD. If you sub her Guardian for efficient concentration that'd go pretty well for randoms regardless of your party.

Yeah, the thing here with Aya is that she kinda breaks the game, especially with Diva subclass. I can't find a way to beat the very last post game boss and the one before it and has to choose the so-called forbidden technique in my dictonary, the Diva Aya. There the game then finishes then in less than 30 mins.

Still the boss before the very last, I can't seem to survive it with anything. My main tanks are Healer Komachi, Hp boosted Kourin, Strategist Byakuren and Hexer Hina and those dies fast. Their library level on defenses are roughly 100. Also I tried using Tenshi and most of the time she disappoint me by being 1 hit killed with the same investments as above people, have I been doing something wrong? This frustration after grinding led me to just screw this, unleash the Aya. And yeah the final boss had the same fate.

Also how many first aid kits are there in the game? I've found 3 maybe that's all of it?

PS. for the vague way of saying about the boss, It's because I don't know how to spoiler tag, so how do I spoiler tag?

jester147 · « **Reply #572 on:** February 18, 2016, 02:40:40 PM »

Quote from: seakill on February 18, 2016, 01:56:49 PM

Well a bit late here but I just finished every last boss the game has to offer. Sadly with Aya.

Yeah, the thing here with Aya is that she kinda breaks the game, especially with Diva subclass. I can't find a way to beat the very last post game boss and the one before it and has to choose the so-called forbidden technique in my dictonary, the Diva Aya. There the game then finishes then in less than 30 mins.

Still the boss before the very last, I can't seem to survive it with anything. My main tanks are Healer Komachi, Hp boosted Kourin, Strategist Byakuren and Hexer Hina and those dies fast. Their library level on defenses are roughly 100. Also I tried using Tenshi and most of the time she disappoint me by being 1 hit killed with the same investments as above people, have I been doing something wrong? This frustration after grinding led me to just screw this, unleash the Aya. And yeah the final boss had the same fate.

Also how many first aid kits are there in the game? I've found 3 maybe that's all of it?

PS. for the vague way of saying about the boss, It's because I don't know how to spoiler tag, so how do I spoiler tag?

Library levels 100.

Yeah you found the problem right there. I'm in the same boat as you. You really need high library levels just to survive. Ideally it's on par with your character level, so be prepared to spend a lot of money. I suggest you finish the one million money achievement first. 20F Depths will help you with that, just bring Flandre and kill all the encounters there.

I'm also had 100 library levels for boss-killing characters, which is actually not enough. Also modify your character level up bonus for specific bosses, that helps too, if somewhat tedious. (why LoT2 doesn't have +-10 stats or +-all stats ugh)

Nyxnyx · « **Reply #573 on:** February 18, 2016, 05:28:05 PM »

The thing with library level is that it's more efficient on those with lower base stats from level? Since well the bonus is the same for everyone.

Serela · « **Reply #574 on:** February 19, 2016, 01:03:26 AM »

The bonus should be a percentage thing of some form, isn't it? (There's several tiers where the %s factor in, so it may not be obvious; level bonus, level up in general, library, equipment... in LoT1 they were all the same % so scaling lategame was meh, but LoT2 split 'em up) Those with lower base stats tend to have cheaper library levels, though.

100 is sorta low for end-postgame for sure, though. Even the really expensive people. But ones like your main tanks should have extra, while squishies don't need as much in their defenses, as well as characters who overall are barely out for long, etc.

You use spoiler with [spoiler.] and [/spoiler.], but without periods. Being less vague is probably good since it's hard to tell what the semi-final postgame boss is considered to be, although I can guess you mean

Spoiler:

. In any case I don't have much experience using tank Komachi, although Rinnosuke with Def/Mnd/HP/Affinity high boosts is pretty beastly and Byakuren/Hina are solid. Once some buffs and debuffs are laid out they shouldn't be having a problem; and as your main tanks, they definitely should have extra library investment compared to the rest of your team.

ZXNova · « **Reply #575 on:** February 29, 2016, 05:37:05 PM »

Can anyone give me a link to the devs twitter?

Validon98 · « **Reply #576 on:** February 29, 2016, 06:02:10 PM »

https://twitter.com/aaa_3peso

Godbert Manderville warning, do not click link if you can't handle his memetic manliness.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #577 on:** March 01, 2016, 02:32:15 AM »

Huh. I was wondering why I recognized your name in the talkhaus.

Anyways I'm surprised there hasn't been more posts about the Plus Disk Demo. I haven't personally played much past the first floor but the thread became silent a lot quicker than I thought it would.

Nyxnyx · « **Reply #578 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:55:55 AM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on March 01, 2016, 02:32:15 AM

Huh. I was wondering why I recognized your name in the talkhaus.

Anyways I'm surprised there hasn't been more posts about the Plus Disk Demo. I haven't personally played much past the first floor but the thread became silent a lot quicker than I thought it would.

I'm just waiting for it to come out fully lol so no surprises. Not sure about the others though.

qazmlpok · « **Reply #579 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:31:00 PM »

Since this got bumped,

Kirin no Sora, if you see this, could you update the English Patch for LoT1 in the OP? I released an updated version some time ago that fixes a handful of things, including some incorrect translations and missing graphics.
http://www.mediafire.com/?t1v567p5sced1zl

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #580 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:43:55 PM »

Quote from: qazmlpok on March 01, 2016, 06:31:00 PM

Since this got bumped,

Kirin no Sora, if you see this, could you update the English Patch for LoT1 in the OP? I released an updated version some time ago that fixes a handful of things, including some incorrect translations and missing graphics.
http://www.mediafire.com/?t1v567p5sced1zl

Oh, thanks for that. I'm actually glad that I'm using my Chromebook today, if only to find this. I can presume that it's for the 3.01 version of the game, yes?

Edit: Done, I've updated the link.

2nd edit(because I refuse to double post): Since people have said about how Grand Incantation on Youmu is a good idea, I thought of something. A new skill for Youmu...

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Intense Focus (This skill would be replacing Mental Concentration)
Skill Cost: 8
Max Level: 3

When Youmu uses Concentrate, gain (SLv * 2) MP and the next attack will be boosted by 1.5 + (SLv * 0.5).

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Considering that this skill is effectively both an upgrade to her MP recovery skill(maxing it would grant her 12 MP per focus, barring any MP recovery boosting equipment) and a better version of Grand Incantation(max level grants a 3x damage boost after a focus, while Grand Incantation only gives a 2.4x boost) all in one, I do wonder if this skill is OP. What do you guys think?

Ghaleon · « **Reply #581 on:** March 04, 2016, 06:22:20 PM »

Kinda late but sorry for being slack about my roster update thing. I kinda stopped cold turkey at 20f because I had computer issues for a couple weeks, then dungeon travelers 2 finally had a sale on the PSN so I was playing that, then trails of cold steel came out, then I snagged a ps4 for 280 canadian no tax via craigslist, so I was playing bloodborne and and... yeah.

I haven't started again yet either, just figured I should stop feeling guilty and just fess up my slackness. Cuz of that I've actually been avoiding the forum in general lol, did I miss anything recent regarding ThLaby2's expansion?

CrazyManiacz · « **Reply #582 on:** March 06, 2016, 01:06:09 PM »

LoT2 has been lagging for some reason which I have no idea of (like, the sounds for the skills end before the animations do, and everything moves very slowly), and it's very aggravating. Does anyone know the reason why :derp:

Re-downloaded the game, but it didn't work.

Spiffspoo · « **Reply #583 on:** March 06, 2016, 05:40:14 PM »

Quote from: CrazyManiacz on March 06, 2016, 01:06:09 PM

LoT2 has been lagging for some reason which I have no idea of (like, the sounds for the skills end before the animations do, and everything moves very slowly), and it's very aggravating. Does anyone know the reason why :derp:

Re-downloaded the game, but it didn't work.

My laptop does that because it is slow. What are your specs?

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #584 on:** March 06, 2016, 07:44:03 PM »

Quote from: CrazyManiacz on March 06, 2016, 01:06:09 PM

LoT2 has been lagging for some reason which I have no idea of (like, the sounds for the skills end before the animations do, and everything moves very slowly), and it's very aggravating. Does anyone know the reason why :derp:

Re-downloaded the game, but it didn't work.

Maybe turn off Visual Effects? It sounds like it suddenly became a problem, but Visual Effects is usually why my framerate drops because my computer is crap.

Also, Ghaleon there's been nothing regarding the Plus Disk release afaik.

Validon98 · « **Reply #585 on:** March 06, 2016, 08:04:36 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on March 04, 2016, 06:22:20 PM

I haven't started again yet either, just figured I should stop feeling guilty and just fess up my slackness. Cuz of that I've actually been avoiding the forum in general lol, did I miss anything recent regarding ThLaby2's expansion?

You missed the large amounts of datamining people have been doing in regards to what has been found in the game. It's around page... 13 and 14 or so in this thread where people found a lot of stuff hidden in the game files. Mostly skills, characters, item descriptions, and floor names.

CrazyManiacz · « **Reply #586 on:** March 07, 2016, 08:37:46 AM »

Actually this has been a problem for quite a while now... A few months actually lol :derp:

It seems that only the battle screen is slow, though - the menu and the exploration screens are about fine - and I have Visual Effects off. And IDK what are specs sry lol :derp: :derp: :derp:

Serela · « **Reply #587 on:** March 07, 2016, 12:09:34 PM »

Quote from: CrazyManiacz on March 07, 2016, 08:37:46 AM

It seems that only the battle screen is slow, though - the menu and the exploration screens are about fine - and I have Visual Effects off. And IDK what are specs sry lol :derp: :derp: :derp:

Sorry, but unless you get a better processor or video card there's probably nothing you can do if Visual Effects are already off. Touhou Labyrinth 2 isn't the most optimized game.

CrazyManiacz · « **Reply #588 on:** March 08, 2016, 04:18:47 PM »

Oh, that's sad

nvm, for the love of the LABYRINTH I will persevere

Ghaleon · « **Reply #589 on:** March 13, 2016, 04:05:08 AM »

Quote from: Validon98 on March 06, 2016, 08:04:36 PM

You missed the large amounts of datamining people have been doing in regards to what has been found in the game. It's around page... 13 and 14 or so in this thread where people found a lot of stuff hidden in the game files. Mostly skills, characters, item descriptions, and floor names.

nice, I like technical details and such. I never actually played lot2 much since after alot of the hidden data was revealed (like spell formulas), which I really should do because not seeing the formulas was kinda one of the biggest beefs I had with the game.

nyttyn · « **Reply #590 on:** March 25, 2016, 10:58:55 PM »

Hey guys, in LoT2, it said that Hard Mode imposed a limit on library levels (1.2x the character's level). Is there anything for that on normal? I checked the wiki and couldn't find any hard numbers, nor any ingame.

Edit; Also, are skill resets unlimited now? I've noticed the wiki says there's a limited number of resets you get, but I've reset like a billion times to try it out and it didn't seem to be limited (I don't THINK I've installed any mods to change it but then again I haven't touched my copy in ages).

Nevermind I'm a idiot. you only use tomes of reincarnation if you wanna get stat up! items back.

Serela · « **Reply #591 on:** March 26, 2016, 03:13:03 AM »

There's no library level limit on Normal, and the Hard Mode limitations go away after beating the "final" boss on 20F for the first time. Hard Mode also prevents you from fighting a boss with anyone higher level than the boss's recommended challenge level, wheras normal you're simply encouraged to keep your party's AVERAGE level there to get special stat up gems, but don't have to, and can also cheese gems via leaving one slot unused/underleveled and overleveling everyone else.

Shadowlupus · « **Reply #592 on:** March 26, 2016, 08:34:56 AM »

Hey there, I've found something interesting at the jap wiki regarding the current Plus Disk Trial:

- Kogasa's MP recovery rate is 32 (I'm pretty sure that is a coding error)
- You can now distribute multiple level-up bonuses at the shrine. While holding down A button, press right or left will decrease or increase the bonus by 10 points, and by 100 points if you hold down the S button instead.

Unrelated note: I just notice that Wriggle's Comet on Earth in LoT1 has different spell animations every time it is used. Iku's LoT2 Thundercloud Stickleback also has different sound effects every time it is used.

jester147 · « **Reply #593 on:** March 26, 2016, 12:32:33 PM »

Quote from: Kageshirou on March 26, 2016, 08:34:56 AM

- You can now distribute multiple level-up bonuses at the shrine. While holding down A button, press right or left will decrease or increase the bonus by 10 points, and by 100 points if you hold down the S button instead.

ABOUT TIME WE HAVE THIS FEATURE! I'm sick of holding arrow button just to distribute bonuses.

Averaen · « **Reply #594 on:** March 29, 2016, 06:22:18 AM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on November 12, 2015, 11:10:25 AM

What exactly do you mean by a defensive party? I know you're using a hyperbole, but obviously no one really thinks a team full of nukers is going to get them through the game. If there were ever people that actually thought that, they'd learn very quickly that its not possible.

I've cleared the full game with so many parties now it's non-sensical. You can beat LoT1 with almost any party you RNG up, as long as you nail a decent tank and decent healer. Skillful play is so absurdly rewarded in this game it's dumb. You can straight up let two characters die in the the WINNER fight, and use those as 'tanks' while you swap stuff in and out.

Serela · « **Reply #595 on:** March 29, 2016, 05:11:16 PM »

WINNER is a pretty awkward measure of anything, because stats are so massively inflated (e.g. Yuugi can replace her MND with affinities to make her a first slot tank in full atk build) and due to the length of his fight and rng and the grindwall and different party setups, people decide to fight him at any point between like... lv450 and 650, which of course has drastic changes on difficulty.

This is only tangentially related, but it's really too bad that his fight takes like half an hour even if you're majorly overleveled, because it sorta counters the "fight him more than once" thing. His fight is an endurance slog and mostly pretty boring until the late phase(s). That's fine for one go, but over and over? It gets old very quickly.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #596 on:** March 31, 2016, 04:15:54 AM »

I enjoy his fight greatly... I do not enjoy grinding up to it. It's strange though, because I felt like he'd be a cakewalk until later phases too, but last time I played, I was AT the final phase, and he was using some of his nasty spells and all. But then he pulled out the old flame wand or whatever attack it's called... the fire attack he can use right at the very first turn. In any case, that attack made me go 'WHOAH! ouch!' moreso than like the last 30 attacks he made =P.

Of course I had china and remi tanking and had high defensive stats moreso than affinities on both (I don't NEGLECT affinities per say, I just don't spend more levels on them than everything else or whatever).

Shadow1176 · « **Reply #597 on:** March 31, 2016, 08:22:01 PM »

So, I've been gone for like months, but what's all this that I'm hearing about the plus disk? Was it finally released?

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #598 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:00:23 AM »

Quote from: Shadow1176 on March 31, 2016, 08:22:01 PM

So, I've been gone for like months, but what's all this that I'm hearing about the plus disk? Was it finally released?

Only the trial version of the Plus Disk has been released, if the full game is already out, there'd be a lot more discussion in here. Speaking of which, I really need to get back to my character draft run...

nyttyn · « **Reply #599 on:** April 04, 2016, 11:38:02 AM »

Ugh I just want to say screw 9f Tenshi

I pounded my head against her for like a hour or two before finally giving up and just going hail mary all in on Iku and just doing a heal cheese stall party to enable her to slowly just attack Tenshi to death.