Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 15F

[Ryin]

Meanwhile I finished grinding for ***WINNER***. Now I just need to beat him before I can start the draft run.
My first attempt was funny. He used Lightspeed Movement into Medicine of Life. Used his 5 HP Restoring Medicines, too. And Ball of Invincibility. And 4 Wands of Speed. He was never below +10% SPD since somewhere in the middle of phase 2. And sniped Sanae and Eirin early with Sword of Light.
I'm impressed I could survive as long as I did despite the lack of luck.
He didn't use Time Stop, though. So there is that.
But he finished the battle with Magical Tempest.

edit: I keep making the first post of the page lol

edit2: http://puu.sh/lKxvQ/06343ac9fc.jpg

[jaxter0987]

Already up to 7F! So far I'm pleasantly surprised by Nazrin and Rin.
Also, I wish I could've gotten Sakuya. I'd have all the Extra Attack users and it would be hilarious.

I wanted Sakuya because I found out how stupid it was being able to make her into an Enhancer since she has Extra Attack. Lunar Clock with Extra Attack proccing  only once means everyone gets 32% Heal and 64-88% SPD depending on Lunar Clock's level. So she could be a very good Reimu replacement if you guys took the other party buffers and she can double as a decent attacker if didn't need her on support duty.

Still haven't decided how I want to build her though. I have decent bulk in Wriggle, Meiling and Momiji and Minoriko / Keine on support so I COULD make her an attacker but I already have Reisen and Kogasa for great single target Dark attacks.

Edit: Just beat up Komachi. That fight was ridiculously easy with Eiki and Reisen in the party. Made Eiki into a DEF tank and debuffed Komachi to oblivion with Reisen and Eiki. I WAS planning on recording the major fights but I forgot to record Youmu's fight and for my Kaguya and Komachi recordings, I forgot to turn off special effects so the video doesn't lag. I guess the next major fight will be Mokou.

[RegalStar]

5F reached. Ifrit died in three turns due to Suiga doing 11k apiece after an Orb buff. Rumia died fairly quickly because she fails at life (and because Mari does a lot of damage to her). Alice wasn't difficult either; I got quite a bit of mileage out of Mesh of Light and Darkness and Alice spent most of her turns casting Silent Cloud after I killed Healing Light. She did cast one Little Legion which took out Minoriko, but went back to Silent Cloud spam afterwards. I killer her before Magical Light (as I usually do) so she never got into her final action pattern.

[Ghaleon]

Up to 3F now. I mostly DTH'd the bosses I encountered but Youmu I decided to actually fight. I thought that having a team with many late-game characters would actually make it more difficult than normal (it certainly made floor clearing a lot more annoying), but it turns out that not being stuck with as many squishy characters that need help to even survive a Flashing Cherry Blossom is more helpful than I thought, since I could help the backline recover SP by just having four sturdy character in the front and play stall for a bit.

Cheater! (not serious)
I was just discussing after you left how I lament that I can't use yuyu for awhile because I don't want to accidentally death the early bosses, seems wrong doing that for some reason. They're already given an unfair position since we start with 12 instead of 5.

I'm wondering what battles I should try and make screenshots/videos of. I'm thinking entei, yukari, cootiesuke, and maribel at least... I'd include alice but she kinda falls in that early boss who isn't balanced for 12 catagory. I think you can get 12 by her in a normal game, or close to it, I forget, but only just barely, and even then she'll be really trivilized cuz of stuff like eiki's defense ignore nuke and whatnot. Assuming she gets enough sp to use it by then, I think she will.

edit: I thought little legion was part of her final pattern.

[RegalStar]

You can get 12 normally by the time you reach Alice. And she does have a tiny chance of using Little Legion in phase 2.

[Ghaleon]

well I'm just starting floor 2 now lol. I should speed up by monday since weekends are always busy for me.

[jester147]

About these draft things...

Because people are stuck with using the characters they drafted, there would be some characters that is left out, correct? Specifically, Flandre and Yuyuko. Does the star still count for having everyone in the party, or do you still have to fight them to get the star?

Also, following the question, does this means Nitori never appears?

Edit:

edit2: http://puu.sh/lKxvQ/06343ac9fc.jpg

You lucky fuck paruparu.

[RegalStar]

We're using an NG+ save file that has all characters unlocked from the start. I'm not really sure if you need to do the recruitment events proper to get the stars, but the events and boss fights are all still there regardless of whether you're using an NG+ file or not. The only change I know of is that you can make the "ice bridge" that leads to Youmu fight without having fought Cirno, and that you can fight Sanae's Foe before having done 15 recruitment events.

[Ghaleon]

makes getting bp on all the characters for bosses like kaggy's foe a pain though. or does the ng+ file in this forum include bp? I didn't look.. that's a point actually, do we cheat to get bp to unlock flan or something?

Floor 2 hardest floor in the game. both bronze sorceresses and shadowcats outspeed everyone, and you can't par resist people this early.. and bronze sorceresses have evil ai where they always always focus fire on the same poor schmuck

[RegalStar]

The save file I had (re)posted has all the BP necessary to unlock all events (except I think Youmu needs a couple of more battles for her part in the events series that lead to Yuyuko/Orin fights).

[Shadowlupus]

Currently reached 4F and now I have already appreciated Utsuho. She has become my favorite sweepers in random battles.

She is decently fast so she can wipe out all enemies with Giga Flare before they even get a turn. especially when she is paired with Marisa, who has Magic Training to boost Giga Flare's power even more. She also has defensive stats on par with Mokou so she can survive a few stray hit even if it was her weakness. In the fight with Alaya-Vijnana. It likes to spam that ridiculously strong Horizontal Slice which always one-shot my squishy 4th slot nuker but Utsuho can take a hit or two. She can also take any single-target direct hit which would normally OHKO other squishy members. So, I think she plays just like an offensive Mokou.

The fight with Poison Wasp was harder than it should be because I had several party members who is weak to Nature and I had no healers at all. As a result, the fight boiled down to keeping my dedicated nuker alive by swapping often. I gave Byakuren a Poison Resistance Ring to immunize her and made her a tank for this fight. Utsuho and Suwako kept debuffing the Wasp's defenses. Patchy kept concentrating and blasting it with Royal Fare. Yuugi and Maribel kept hitting its weakness.

Also, the fight with Komachi was pretty much...Tenshi taking 0 damage from all attacks, Maribel shocking her with Chaotic, Byakuren debuffing her like crazy and my nukers pounded her until she died.

[Ghaleon]

Youmu was more difficult than I anticipated. I was unable to kill the ghost before karma slash (was her first move.. well focus was her first, but you know), and she sniped the back with present slash a couple times. Slash of eternity was capable of 1shotting anyone on my team including def wriggle, and it actually doesn't delay her that much.. it was a very messy fight. But she just couldn't kill all 12 in time (and of course I avoied dthing her). Maybe reimu 10 is a bit low for her though... not sure if I'm normally higher or not.

[Monothemeerp]

Somehow I'm gathering I had the hardest time with Komachi, but that's just because I barely did it on my first try with some luck. Pfft.

I am definitely liking my team though, I feel pretty good having lots of Nature and Dark attacks. I don't really mind my lack of Mystic because in Calamity Four I pretty much didn't need Mystic only once (they don't have any MYS attacks either). Also about the DTHing bosses thing... I blasted the second Alice Doll to bits with Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana, just because I hate it so much. Heh.

Really not looking forward to 7F... my amass of Nature attacks might actually bite me in the rear this time, and in general it's a super annoying floor. I ended up taking Renko's encounter reduction skill with me because the encounter rate is so so high on that floor.

Are there any methods to get BP on characters we're not bringing in the draft to unlock Flandre/Yuuka/Eiki fights? (Cheat engine if I have to)

[Ghaleon]

almost done exploring 4/5f.. having really good luck with random trash drops. I got a black onyx and a faerie wing. score!

[jaxter0987]

Are there any methods to get BP on characters we're not bringing in the draft to unlock Flandre/Yuuka/Eiki fights? (Cheat engine if I have to)

Cheat engine is probably the only way. I wasn't planning on fighting any bosses that have BP requirements, but I now realize I'd be missing out on some pretty interesting fights. I'm probably just going to get BP through grinding. I'll need all that money to keep my library levels up anyway.

[Ghaleon]

got a 2nd black onyx just after posting that lawl.. alice downded at reimu 18. Put up a bigger fight than I thought... My party feels so squishy without china or remi qq. Alice's status ailments were pretty annoying too because mystia doesn't really have the sp pool or hte recovery rate to really cure people very often yet.

[Shadowlupus]

Guys, I have found something interesting while looking through the enemies' AI file. For instance;

- Iku's Debuff-resistance is changed from 50 to 0 after she uses Whiskers of the Dragon God.
- Flandre's Paralysis resistance is changed from 80 to 25 after she concentrates but return to normal after she uses Laevatein.
- Yuuka's Shock resistance is changed from 48 to 0 after she concentrates that stays that way until the battle ends.
- Ame-no-Murakumo also changes its Debuff-resistance slighty after using Divine Messenger's Light.

So,,,these will make some of these battles much easier, I guess?

[RegalStar]

8F reached. Random encounters are a lot easier now that I have learned to use weaker enemies to stall for time, and Orin is pretty good at outspeeding dangerous things.

St Elmo's Fire - I actually almost got Game Over'd by this thing because I walked into the icon without having done any preparations, and I don't have any strong non-elemental attackers outside of Youmu, who got killed early because I mispredicted its speed. In the end Keine survived a Bonfire by 4 HP and launched one last attack to kill it. If she didn't survive I'd have lost.
St Elmo's Fire + 3 Pressures - Things went much smoother this time because I was way more prepared, and the thing got dropped without killing anyone.
Yuugi - Despite some efforts made to survive, Meiling got dropped in only three attacks. Didn't matter though as Mari and Komachi teamed up and ate up her HP way before she can kill too many people.
Tam's Foe - It could've gone a lot worse but his insistence on using his physical attacks on slot 3 actually made things easier since most of my characters can survive a stray Tackle/Slash. I mistimed again though and Minoriko got killed by the third Flowing Hellfire, but I had spare characters that could tank a fourth, not that it was necessary because he dropped before getting that in.

[Ryin]

My progress will be slower, at least at the beginning. I've just finished the first floor. I don't like NG+ because it kinda ruins the pace of the game, so I went with 5 characters from the draft and each new member I'll add another one to the team.
I started the game with Remilia, Eirin, Mokou, Suika and Sanae. Took a wrong turn while going for the skill point treasure and fought Meiling by accident. Since she sniped Suika in her first turn, the fight ended up being a Focus festival, because no way my team had any chance of losing against her. I chose Tenshi as my 6th character. And Chen went down kind of easily.

My characters, for reference: Remilia, Rumia, Sanae, Tenshi, Yuugi, Alice, Eirin, Chen, Suika, Aya, Flandre, Mokou

You lucky fuck paruparu.

First time I get a Regalia drop in all of my playthroughs.

Guys, I have found something interesting while looking through the enemies' AI file. For instance;

Nice!

[Kuilfrayt]

Throwing that out here

Posted on December 5
今週来週辺りに、東方の迷宮２プラスディスクの体験版（夏コミに配布したもの）のアレやコレを少し直したものを配布しようと思っておりまする。ちょっとだけ乞うご期待？

If I'm reading this right, it looks like they'll release the demo for the Plus Disk they distributed this past summer Comiket this week or next week. Can anyone confirm?

[jaxter0987]

Throwing that out here

Posted on December 5
今週来週辺りに、東方の迷宮２プラスディスクの体験版（夏コミに配布したもの）のアレやコレを少し直したものを配布しようと思っておりまする。ちょっとだけ乞うご期待？

If I'm reading this right, it looks like they'll release the demo for the Plus Disk they distributed this past summer Comiket this week or next week. Can anyone confirm?

That's what I'm getting too. Only I'll add that I think it also mentions fixing some things (nothing specific) from the previous demo and to look forward to it soon (this week / next week).

[Ghaleon]

previous demo? I never even knew it HAD a demo... how do you demo a plus disc anyway? need the full game to play the demo?

[jaxter0987]

previous demo? I never even knew it HAD a demo... how do you demo a plus disc anyway? need the full game to play the demo?

No idea how you can have a demo for an expansion but they had a demo being distributed during the summer Comiket which is where the Mamizou and Komiji screen shots came from.

[Ghaleon]

I see.

I've just finished my first 'dive' in floor 7 now, managed to find nitori already (last time I had completely mapped out the entire floor before finding her and I had to wander around for a few dozen battles before she showed up, goodness), and I managed to get my 3rd ring of hades already (got 2 from 5-6)... I don't really try to get them or anything, typically I only put on like 3-4 during yuyu and that's it (not 12, holy), but they're nice to find. Hopefully my luck with drops continues and I get a forbidden tablet =P.

AFter my last dive I've finally just barely passed 400 battles too so I can go back to yuugi, but wriggle is just not capable of tanking her yet. Her defense is about 600 and hp just about 1000, I whipped out my calculator and supernatural will hit her for 1.2k... so I'll have to put some throw away characters in the front and let them get slaughtered until I can debuff yuugi some and THEN bring wriggle out... probably gonna be a messy as hell fight.. I'm off to bed first though.

[Ryin]

AFter my last dive I've finally just barely passed 400 battles too so I can go back to yuugi, but wriggle is just not capable of tanking her yet. Her defense is about 600 and hp just about 1000, I whipped out my calculator and supernatural will hit her for 1.2k... so I'll have to put some throw away characters in the front and let them get slaughtered until I can debuff yuugi some and THEN bring wriggle out... probably gonna be a messy as hell fight.. I'm off to bed first though.

She only takes about 800 after a Hakurei Border and you have Kaguya to pass a turn to Reimu for a heal before Yuugi's second attack. And after that you should already have debuffed her some. Might need some specific ATB manipulation, but it shouldn't be hard to do.

[RegalStar]

It also might be feasible to just forget about surviving any of her attacks and just DPS her down before she can kill you. She can only kill one character at a time at most, after all.

Anyways, I just hit the 12F relay point. Encounters on 8F and 9F were easy but those Eye of Twilights on the second set of 10-12F encounters were a thing. I actually got wiped out once because of them and lost half an hour's worth of progress. Hopefully the third set of encounters goes more smoothly for me.

Suwako: She sniped Orin with an Iron Ring on turn 2 and I had no other fire attackers, so I had to drag the fight out and took 26 (of her) turns to kill her. Thankfully my team is durable enough that I didn't really lose anyone else.

Reisen: easy. I accidentally DTH'd one minion early on but she never bothered to resummon more, and her attacks are so weak that it doesn't really matter that I had crappy luck trying to paralyze her.

Nitori: I had much more trouble weathering her attacks than Suwako's (mostly because I forgot to give my characters CLD affinities and she spammed waterfall on her off turns), but this time Orin stayed alive and dealt a lot of damage to her, and Komachi, Youmu and Mari also helped. I managed to kill her just a little after she killed Minoriko and were actually in position to screw me over.

One thing I've noted from this run so far is that Komachi actually ended up being quite a very strong damage dealer; I found that her Scythe does nearly the same amount of damage as Youmu's Slash of Eternity (due to higher base ATK), except with lower SP price tag and good enough delay to stay in. Though Youmu is still way better at clearing randoms and does have two extra elements (though there has yet to be a boss weak to either).

[jester147]

Hello, OOT but...

I just found the TDPD Charagraph, would appreciate it if someone could add it to the main page.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ddpogo2ubf1m7q8/PDP+CharaGraph.rar

I think there's LoT2 charagraph too. Don't know where...

[Validon98]

Hello, OOT but...

I just found the TDPD Charagraph, would appreciate it if someone could add it to the main page.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ddpogo2ubf1m7q8/PDP+CharaGraph.rar

I think there's LoT2 charagraph too. Don't know where...

I remember that being the pack with the broken Marisa graphic that had all the black colors transparent for the small and large faces, and since the original pack maker never fixed that, I decided to do it myself. Just replace Marisa_LFace and Marisa_SFace with the attached copies I have. I'm too lazy to completely repack all the files atm.

[Ghaleon]

Suwako is kind of a strange boss like that. Shes completely unlike her playable self. Not that damaging but has the hp count of an if rinnosuke or something.

That said slow down. Daaang =p

Pretty sure haku barrier wont reduce the damage quite that much. And a reimu heal wont heal that much. We will see though.

[Ryin]

Pretty sure haku barrier wont reduce the damage quite that much. And a reimu heal wont heal that much. We will see though.

I literally calculated using the data you provided. Dunno about Reimu, though. But she should probably be able to heal enough for Wriggle to survive another hit from a debuffed Yuugi. If she falls on the third, that's more than enough stalling. You should have DPS to win.

Edit:
Cirno was a jerk with AoE spam which resulted in a paralock in my first attempt. The second time she was pretty easy because my team just doesn't take much damage from her. Yuugi joined in in her place.
Youmu was pretty easy. My team took TWO God Slashes of Karma Wind with Youmu under Fighting Blood and survived. Flandre joined in after the fight.
Ifrit was a matter of switching people. I got a Bomb Ring from a random battle that made the fight even easier.
Rumia couldn't really hurt anybody much. Eirin got just enough SP to cast Astronomical entombing for the first time against her.
Finished the Wriggle event and got Aya in her place. Finished the Minoriko event and got Alice in her place. Now the team is complete.
Alice was absolutely dreadful the first time I tried the battle. My team wouldn't die and neither would Healing Light. I had to grind a bit to level the ones who could hurt her to 20 in their offensive stat. Astronomical Entombing, Fujiyama Volcano, Throwing Atlas, Knock Out in Three Steps and, finally, Starbow Break when the defense buff was at 51% (because Flandre has awful defense piercing and her attack is still not monstrous enough to ignore that fact). After Healing Light was down, I mostly focused on Alice herself with a few stray hits to Magical Light. Beautiful Light and Alice died at the same time against a Fujiyama Volcano.

Edit 2:
St Elmo used a wind in the worst possible time but I still won. I got lazy about going back to town just to fight St Elmo's Pressures and just rested my SP back and just went for it. Pretty easy.