Author Topic: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE (Read 94873 times)

Suikama · « **Reply #360 on:** November 12, 2015, 08:12:44 PM »

well yeah skilling up things suck

but it just sounded like you were saying that diza in particular was a pain to skillup as opposed to in general :V

Edible · « **Reply #361 on:** November 12, 2015, 08:19:32 PM »

All the more reason to level up/evolve a spare one so you can keep your current one!

commandercool · « **Reply #362 on:** November 12, 2015, 10:00:02 PM »

Extremely preliminary experimentation seems to indicate that Armadel is actually better than GZL on my Verdandi team, at least for maximum burst damage. And this is still four orb enhances short of the final team. I also have much more HP, although less recovery by a little and fewer skillboosts. And I don't want to skill her uuuuup.

Espadas · « **Reply #363 on:** November 12, 2015, 10:01:21 PM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 08:01:13 PM

Is it? I skilled mine with the dark bowl dragon and it wasn't too bad...

Hell, Diza's own dungeon isn't even that hard now

Skilling up things that need evo mats is way worse imo

fucking angelits

Hello, my name is Espadas and i plan to lead with Sephiroth...... :colonveeplusalpha:

Jq1790 · « **Reply #364 on:** November 12, 2015, 10:14:29 PM »

Quote from: Espadas on November 12, 2015, 10:01:21 PM

Hello, my name is Espadas and i plan to lead with Sephiroth...... :colonveeplusalpha:

Just farm Badpys. The end. (Though I guess you might as well run FF while it's here since it's also stupid good rank EXP)

trancehime · « **Reply #365 on:** November 13, 2015, 01:49:54 AM »

yeah uh gungho.

Also re: "Yomi Dragon is SS rank!! so good!!" yomi dragon's arena team doesn't have anything that isn't new in it so i have no clue why they rose the tier to SS rank, the only new Dark god that appear within the past 1 or 2 months was like, Castor. Awoken Loki has a good enhance for Yomi Dragon I guess though? He isn't God though.

Suikama · « **Reply #366 on:** November 13, 2015, 01:52:42 AM »

I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time

trancehime · « **Reply #367 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:54:05 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 01:52:42 AM

I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time

Maybe, but I never really trusted their tier lists anyway

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #368 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:57:16 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 01:52:42 AM

I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time

I heard someone also say that reco popularized dark sakuya build and people basically just ate it up blindly.

Also could you put up isismom until tomorrow or whenever, I wanna mess around with something and I don't know anyone else with isismom

Suikama · « **Reply #369 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:59:37 AM »

Quote from: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 02:54:05 AM

Maybe, but I never really trusted their tier lists anyway

Eh imo the S rank leaders make sense

but the rest of the list is total jank

Quote from: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 02:57:16 AM

I heard someone also say that reco popularized dark sakuya build and people basically just ate it up blindly.

Also could you put up isismom until tomorrow or whenever, I wanna mess around with something and I don't know anyone else with isismom

she's always up bruh :V

trancehime · « **Reply #370 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:16:34 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 02:59:37 AM

Eh imo the S rank leaders make sense

for example, Raoh uvo being lower than Shiva Dragon lol thats a lie

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #371 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:18:53 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 02:59:37 AM

she's always up bruh :V

I dun see nut

Suikama · « **Reply #372 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:21:08 AM »

What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...

Quote from: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 03:18:53 AM

I dun see nut

oh whoops i didnt see the mom part <_<

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #373 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:22:12 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:21:08 AM

What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...
oh whoops i didnt see the mom part <_<

I think they're considering the existence of an active skill, alongside the HP boost instead of RCV.

Suikama · « **Reply #374 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM »

I thought RCV boosts were better than HP?

trancehime · « **Reply #375 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:25:11 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:21:08 AM

What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...

x2.25 HP boost is just as strong as x2.25 RCV boost, plus Raoh gets access to Ronia on top of being an orb changer himself.

He also has access to Awoken Freyr as an enhance who is a better sub than R/R (or R/L if you're hipster) Freyr for Shiva Dragon. Raoh is generally easier to build a team for. His lower multiplier compared to Shiva Dragon isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things given their row counts generally tend to be about the same.

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM

I thought RCV boosts were better than HP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-E3uGq_UM not always

Suikama · « **Reply #376 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:29:29 AM »

Quote from: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:25:11 AM

x2.25 HP boost is just as strong as x2.25 RCV boost, plus Raoh gets access to Ronia on top of being an orb changer himself.

He also has access to Awoken Freyr as an enhance who is a better sub than R/R (or R/L if you're hipster) Freyr for Shiva Dragon. Raoh is generally easier to build a team for. His lower multiplier compared to Shiva Dragon isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things given their row counts generally tend to be about the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-E3uGq_UM not always

I'm not sure what the video was supposed to prove? Can't Shiva dragon do that dungeon just fine as well?

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #377 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:32:53 AM »

nooot really because random DQ Hera gimps?

The HP also lets Raoh eat a hit from Scarlet, getting free red orbs from jammer in the process.

Suikama · « **Reply #378 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:36:01 AM »

You can survive DQ if you have Mamiya

Being able to tank Scarlet for orbs is nice though I'll admit

I still don't see how this makes Raoh better than ShivaDra?

Unless you meant they should be even... but then why compare to ShivaDra you could have just said he should be S rank too :derp:

trancehime · « **Reply #379 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:47:03 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:36:01 AM

Unless you meant they should be even... but then why compare to ShivaDra you could have just said he should be S rank too :derp:

I meant that they should be even.

Because their damage output in the grand scheme of things are actually pretty much on par. And they're both Red Row Leaders, which is why it is only logical to compare them together.

Also some people actually don't have Mamiya, and not everyone is actually willing to hypermax her, which is a requirement if you run ShivaDragon for DQ because her stats are actually shit.

Suikama · « **Reply #380 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:50:18 AM »

Okay yeah

But I guess I more meant the leaders who are in S rank mostly belong there

...okay actually maybe aAnubis is debatable too lol. He's good in 6x7 but outside of that he's actually pretty terrible

like watching paprika and reco play him live shows how bad he is. you literally have to get lucky to activate even if you match every board perfectly.

trancehime · « **Reply #381 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:55:33 AM »

Quote from: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:50:18 AM

But I guess I more meant the leaders who are in S rank mostly belong there

And I'm saying there are some leaders below S rank who could be S rank.

Suikama · « **Reply #382 on:** November 13, 2015, 04:00:09 AM »

okay yeah youre right :V

omg now i kind of want to try to roll for Cloud

cause of all the hype

commandercool · « **Reply #383 on:** November 13, 2015, 05:10:16 AM »

Kalloween is rocketing toward completion. 199 +eggs down, max level, max awoken, max skill. I might be able to finish her in time if I get lucky or drop 1-2 stones. Still need one skillup and one awakening on Snow White, to de-evolve Izanagi and get him into his new form, and get him four more awakenings and two skillups. Then the team will be done and I'll do... Something with it?