Author Topic: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE  (Read 94864 times)

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #240 on: November 06, 2015, 04:31:57 PM »
A reminder to anyone that hasn't started One-Shot Challenge yet, that you can use coin-boosting leaders to MASSIVELY increase the money you get from the first stage.


Moogs Parfait

  • SPRING
  • Plz Send Naps
    • Danmaku!! Official Site
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #241 on: November 06, 2015, 05:32:18 PM »
Dang it challenge 6,why must you vex me?

Jq1790

  • Wow I'm back to playing this game.
  • Let's puzzle together again, Karin!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #242 on: November 06, 2015, 07:09:09 PM »
Earlier this morning:

>Wake up and roll the Enhance Carnival PEM.

2 gold eggs, no surprise there...

>Extreme King Metal Dragon hatches from the first egg.

:getdown:
Fave that thing; you wont be getting him the normal way for a while and as you might realize he is used in some top-shelf evolutions!
If you're a Pazudora player and aren't on #puzzleandlibrarians, come join us!

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #243 on: November 07, 2015, 02:19:00 AM »
Everyone start your engines

Your Scarlet Engines that is :V

commandercool

  • alter cool
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #244 on: November 07, 2015, 02:29:12 AM »
Well, looks like I just can't beat Scarlet.

Gabriel can't burst Belial and then immediately burst another 3.6 million on the following turn. I maybe have a chance with a Blodin friend with very good orb rolls, but I didn't have great luck the first time and my one hypermax Blodin friend hasn't popped back up. Once again, if a good chunk of my team didn't have trash-tier awakenings and I could actually use skills on the first floor things would be completely different, but they do so they aren't.

Ra can't do it because Divine Queen Hera's pre-emptive still barely kills him even after an Izanami damage reduction. And if I bring Izanami she has to be replacing a white Kali, since I need black Kali to clear the bind on Sun Quan that I get from Kraken, and if I do that my damage is hilariously low. I guess I can just cross my fingers to get Dancing Queen Hera, but that seems like a bitch strategy. If my team doesn't work it doesn't work, and if I'm going to cheat by constantly rerolling the dungeon I might as well just cheat by using a continue, and I'm not going to do that.

Kalloween can't do it because her levels will always be hilariously low due to how the level up dungeons work, which will make stalling (the one thing she's good for over Ra) completely impractical. And I suspect her damage is way, way too low to kill Scarlet in a timely fashion anyway.

Fuck me I guess. Good luck/good job to everyone who's working on/clears it, but unless I think of a better plan I give up. I just lost 200 stamina I could have used to do something practical figuring out that nothing I have is good enough, so I basically wasted an entire day I could have spent farming +eggs. Yaaaay?
« Last Edit: November 07, 2015, 02:30:47 AM by commandercool »
I made a PADHerder. It's probably out of date though.

Espadas

  • *
  • You're gonna have a bad time
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #245 on: November 07, 2015, 02:46:38 PM »
RNG, this comes straight from the deep of my heart......... FUCK YOU

I know i shouldn't get angry at a mere videogame, i know that sometimes you simply are unlucky but what just happened goes well beyond what i'm willing to let pass.

One-shot challenge lv6.
Verdandi - Liuuu Bei - GZL - Marine Rider - God Canopus - commandercool's hypermaxed Verdandi (my Verd and Liu Bei around lv 85, the entire team at half skill)

I clear the various floors burning 3/4 of my skills (killing Meimei after calculating i would survive her last hit with about 300hp left was quite nerve-wracking).
I actually reach DIza with about 10k hp, my GZL ready and 1 TURN to wait for CCool's Verdandi. I think "It's perfect, chip her a bit then Verd+GZL for the kill"

I make a 3-hit combo with 1 Wood TPA then....... SKYFALLS TURN MY ATTACK INTO A 10-HIT COMBO WITH 3 WOOD TPA, sending her under <50 and binding half of my team for 3 turns, just enough to let Despairing Lament + Fires of Deicide kill me.

To put it into perspective: i just skyfell over 3 MILLIONS of damage in literally the only place in the entire dungeon it would have screwed me. So yes, i'm pissed off as hell.....
« Last Edit: November 07, 2015, 02:50:23 PM by Espadas »

The Greatest Dog

  • Grazing at Mach 10
  • 90 Frames per Second GO!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #246 on: November 07, 2015, 03:58:42 PM »
"Awwww yeah got to the boss wave of Scarlet using Zaerogoo
Just need 9 or so dark orbs and some skyfall luck with Byakko and this should be a win"

gets 5 dark orbs

Moogs Parfait

  • SPRING
  • Plz Send Naps
    • Danmaku!! Official Site
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #247 on: November 07, 2015, 04:35:27 PM »
Why is she a broad-minded demon?  The boss dialogue makes it look like she's lazy

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #248 on: November 07, 2015, 05:00:01 PM »
Why is she a broad-minded demon?  The boss dialogue makes it look like she's lazy

A quick search seems to say it means you're not easily offended or unbiased. It seems pretty hard to piss off someone that lazy.

Mr. Sacchi

  • All shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.
  • Not postponed. Not in the end. Not for long.
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #249 on: November 07, 2015, 05:03:12 PM »
Well, Broad-Minded certainly sounds better than "Lazy Hell Demon, Scarlet".

At least they didn't give her a super chuuni name like Extreme Black Beast's Chosen Broad-Minded & Lazy Hell Demon, ScarletΩ

MatsuriSakuragi

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #250 on: November 07, 2015, 05:41:23 PM »
No, no. That's her upcoming super ult form.

Chaore

  • Kai Ni Recipient Many Years Late
  • *
  • You Finally Did It, Kadokawa.
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #251 on: November 07, 2015, 06:10:29 PM »
Scarlets offering me a work out.

Good thing board RNG and screen slips are here to ruin it -instantly-.

The Greatest Dog

  • Grazing at Mach 10
  • 90 Frames per Second GO!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #252 on: November 07, 2015, 06:11:38 PM »
i think at the end of the day, a team of six hypermax Scarlet is as lazy as it gets

"Six of a Kind, Scarlet Engine"

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #253 on: November 07, 2015, 10:05:39 PM »
Unlike the Halloween dungeon, +egg rates in FF seem pretty terrible

Jq1790

  • Wow I'm back to playing this game.
  • Let's puzzle together again, Karin!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #254 on: November 08, 2015, 01:17:08 AM »
Hera Challenge COMPLETE!

Minus me failing at Ur a couple of times everything kinda just fell over.  Stone get, now to work on the One Shot Challenges a bit then I...guess farm plusses?
If you're a Pazudora player and aren't on #puzzleandlibrarians, come join us!

trancehime

  • 不聖女
  • *
  • 2017年~ 茨心R (希望)
    • himegimi
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #255 on: November 08, 2015, 06:45:59 AM »


anime tiddies were punched (This is JP Challenge Dungeon LV10 not Arena)

元素召唤 || pad & msl news translator robit
twitter xx motk resident whale

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #256 on: November 08, 2015, 05:14:01 PM »
Scarlet cleared

I thought this dungeon would be harder after watching people fail it numerous times on twitch :derp:

MatsuriSakuragi

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #257 on: November 08, 2015, 06:26:10 PM »
That is kind of what Ra dragon does lol

Welcome to ez mode

Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #258 on: November 08, 2015, 06:39:58 PM »
I saw someone fail a lot with Ra Dragon too :V

Chaore

  • Kai Ni Recipient Many Years Late
  • *
  • You Finally Did It, Kadokawa.
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #259 on: November 08, 2015, 09:43:52 PM »
Mmm.

I miscalulated.

I...did not factor in Scarlet Binding leaders this entire time, I needed to be bringing Ame no Chokezume with me. Whoops.

Mr. Sacchi

  • All shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.
  • Not postponed. Not in the end. Not for long.
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #260 on: November 08, 2015, 11:06:18 PM »
This team seems to be the definition of stupid.

...Especially since I can actually make it.

My Athena must be crying in the corner :V

commandercool

  • alter cool
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #261 on: November 08, 2015, 11:29:38 PM »
This team seems to be the definition of stupid.

...Especially since I can actually make it.

My Athena must be crying in the corner :V

The HP is atrocious, unsurprisingly for a healer team. That seems like it makes Amaterasu's autoheal a lot less useful. With RCV that high will it even do anything? You should be able to heal up from any hit that doesn't kill you relatively easily anyway, right? I haven't use Awoken Amaterasu a ton, but I think her biggest potential might be in pairing with a 2x HP lead, possibly Raphael or even Himi Udon. On a default healer team with two Amaterasu leads it seems like a lot of endgame attacks will just kill you, so the recovery doesn't even come into play much of the time. But I haven't used her extensively, so I could be wrong. What do you think?

On another note, I notice you don't have a damage enhance or a delay. What's Amaterasu's average burst damage with just orbchangers? Can she do ~3-4 million unenhanced? Ganesha definitely helps a lot with that if you can find a place to stall him up (and that might actually be hard on a lot of harder dungeons with your horrible HP), but if you need to kill multiple consecutive bosses without getting hit can you do it?
I made a PADHerder. It's probably out of date though.

Mr. Sacchi

  • All shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.
  • Not postponed. Not in the end. Not for long.
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #262 on: November 08, 2015, 11:37:56 PM »
The HP may be atrocious, yes, but that is compounded by the fact that this setup gives me a whopping 16k autoheal - literally what doesn't kill me outright will just be shrugged off.

Ganesha is there specifically to tank stupidly big hits, and the massive HP deficit can be rectified (to a point) with plus eggs. This team's major weakness is probably just its burst potential, but with everyone and their mother having at least one TPA damage shouldn't be lacking in the slightest - I suppose the strategy would be much like a stall team's, only infinitely faster since the multiplier isn't complete ass.

That said, maybe running UVO'd Raphael would probably be better, if not for the fact that he is a row-based monster with an absolutely ass active in a team that is largely TPA-based. Let's also not forget that the highest possible multiplier with a Raphael co-lead would be 5,4x and unlike the RGB archangels there is no Dragon Emperor for big bursts. Plus your autoheal falls to about 9,5k, which, although good, is not nearly as much as the 16k - especially when considering the fact that your now have double the health and a third of the damage, with no gravities and no Morning Stars.

...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

Super Uvo Raphael when.

(Also, I think I saw someone clearing Hera Rush with a similar team not too long ago, so I'm pretty sure it can work with at least *some* lategame dungeons.)
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 11:44:17 PM by Toyosatomimi No Sacchi »

Moogs Parfait

  • SPRING
  • Plz Send Naps
    • Danmaku!! Official Site
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #263 on: November 08, 2015, 11:59:37 PM »
I run a similar team regularly, and the 15k autoheal is amazing, it makes you immune to things that can't kill you in one hit.  You'll only have trouble in dungeons with multiple HP gate monsters or dungeons where you have to oneshot everything with Ra.  25k hp is a magic number in that regard, so some physical/healer types could come in handy when they make more of them. 

« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 12:13:44 AM by Moogs Parfait »

Moogs Parfait

  • SPRING
  • Plz Send Naps
    • Danmaku!! Official Site
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #264 on: November 09, 2015, 01:46:07 AM »
OTOH I can't beat Challenge 8 like I thought.  I can't be consistent enough with both Ra and Ammy. =(

commandercool

  • alter cool
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #265 on: November 09, 2015, 02:36:44 AM »
The HP may be atrocious, yes, but that is compounded by the fact that this setup gives me a whopping 16k autoheal - literally what doesn't kill me outright will just be shrugged off.

Right, but you've got two healing actives and great recovery, so how much more autoheal do you need? There's a certain point where it's just wasted. Not that that's the only thing Amaterasu does of course, she has all sorts of other upsides, but it's the most novel thing she does and I think it's best used with an HP mutliplier. Probably.

That said, maybe running UVO'd Raphael would probably be better, if not for the fact that he is a row-based monster with an absolutely ass active in a team that is largely TPA-based. Let's also not forget that the highest possible multiplier with a Raphael co-lead would be 5,4x and unlike the RGB archangels there is no Dragon Emperor for big bursts. Plus your autoheal falls to about 9,5k, which, although good, is not nearly as much as the 16k - especially when considering the fact that your now have double the health and a third of the damage, with no gravities and no Morning Stars.

Not wrong at all. Although keep in mind that a Dragon Emperor also only works coming at this team from the Archangel side anyway. You can't force your friend lead to swap, so if you had one you would still be swapping it with Amaterasu.

I don't think you need a Dragon Emperor if your stalling power is good enough. You can just tank hits all the way down and slowly chip some enemies rather than bursting them. Sometimes that isn't viable obviously, but Ganesha would be useful in those situations.

...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

Yup, and best case scenario his active is still pretty dubious. He is not good. Is there a better 2/2/0 option in white? I can't think of one, but I could be forgetting something.

Super Uvo Raphael when.

Soon, I imagine, since Michael is getting one.

(Also, I think I saw someone clearing Hera Rush with a similar team not too long ago, so I'm pretty sure it can work with at least *some* lategame dungeons.)

How much HP did it have? I'm kind of curious.
I made a PADHerder. It's probably out of date though.

trancehime

  • 不聖女
  • *
  • 2017年~ 茨心R (希望)
    • himegimi
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #266 on: November 09, 2015, 06:31:51 AM »
...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

>Light rows hasn't been developed yet

>Saria, Awoken Thor, Cloud, Ilm

sure

元素召唤 || pad & msl news translator robit
twitter xx motk resident whale

Jq1790

  • Wow I'm back to playing this game.
  • Let's puzzle together again, Karin!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #267 on: November 09, 2015, 06:47:07 AM »
>Light rows hasn't been developed yet

>Saria, Awoken Thor, Cloud, Ilm

sure
To be fair, only one of those is a "normal" card.  Two of em are GFEs, and one's a rare collab gold, so it's easy to forget about em when pull rate is likely abysmal at the best of times.

Doesn't discount their existence, mind, but it's a thought.
If you're a Pazudora player and aren't on #puzzleandlibrarians, come join us!

trancehime

  • 不聖女
  • *
  • 2017年~ 茨心R (希望)
    • himegimi
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #268 on: November 09, 2015, 07:08:58 AM »

Doesn't discount their existence, mind, but it's a thought.

It's still delusional to say that light rows hasn't gotten much attention when rows in general has been getting a lot of love. Not just light rows, but also green rows, basically the only thing stopping green rows from gaining more traction than it is currently getting is the lack of a stable green row lead that isn't Perseus (no, Ishida is not stable, he requires actives to do damage).

元素召唤 || pad & msl news translator robit
twitter xx motk resident whale

The Greatest Dog

  • Grazing at Mach 10
  • 90 Frames per Second GO!
Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
« Reply #269 on: November 09, 2015, 07:21:34 AM »
like between Freyja, Artemis, and Perseus you got some crazy stuff going on there
The bad thing is that neither Artemis nor Perseus convert anything from Genbu boards, and Awoken Meimei is all TPAs anyways

Ceres can cleric it up if need be. Parvati... is TPAs. Liu Bei has a row technically and can convert from G/L Meimei. Vishnu is all TPAs...

Michael is pretty cool. I'd consider him with G/L Meimei all day. GGY can be useful I guess. If you have any orb enhancers around, you can consider Zeus Dios as a x2.8 kill option.

Green row lead where

Light rows has Superman and LZL as well, right?