Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie

[MatsuriSakuragi]

It's interesting in concept, but I wanna see it in action. For all real purposes Karin would be the better leader due to more broad resistance and higher multipliers, but this does bring an interesting counter to fire damage as well. Hmm.

My biggest concern is that he should not be the leader of the party, since it essentially makes his active skill pointless (can't switch out if you're already the lead!). If you start with Karin or Orochi, however, you could bring in MEdge as a switcher for resistance while being able to switch back to Karin or Orochi for more damage+resistance/resolve.

EDIT: I take that back, Karin can't be the lead since there's no dark typing in there. Orochi would be your dude.

[Suikama]

When is the JP stream for ult Kirin/Noah/Verdandi?

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Tomorrow super late night/super early morning Sunday for us NA folks, isn't it?

[OverlordChirei]

Start times:

Overseas Stream: 9/18 9:30PM EST
JP Stream: 9/19 ~2:00AM EST

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Double stream night then o/

[Jq1790]

It's interesting in concept, but I wanna see it in action. For all real purposes Karin would be the better leader due to more broad resistance and higher multipliers, but this does bring an interesting counter to fire damage as well. Hmm.

My biggest concern is that he should not be the leader of the party, since it essentially makes his active skill pointless (can't switch out if you're already the lead!). If you start with Karin or Orochi, however, you could bring in MEdge as a switcher for resistance while being able to switch back to Karin or Orochi for more damage+resistance/resolve.

EDIT: I take that back, Karin can't be the lead since there's no dark typing in there. Orochi would be your dude.

Oh, yeah I DID consider the switch issue, but hadnt really remembered Orochi could be good for a lead as well and had no better ideas.  I'll consider messing with this if I ever get caught up on my like ten evos to do.

[Suikama]

I'm like 0/10 on DKali

If she wont skillup by the time Ra Dragon is out I'm just going to use Pys


Also I got a tama drop with a plus egg wtf since when was this possible

[Jq1790]

I'm like 0/10 on DKali

If she wont skillup by the time Ra Dragon is out I'm just going to use Pys


Also I got a tama drop with a plus egg wtf since when was this possible

Always.  I've gotten plussed TAMAs from the PEM as well.

[The Greatest Dog]

No RCV? Check. Preemptive binds that hit all light mobs? Check. Gravity? Check. Preemptive poison? Check.



But Big Dog is the truest dog.

[Jq1790]

o7

A salute to the One True Dog, I say.

[Mr. Sacchi]

So, uhhhhhh...




This team is officially retarded considering how I went in semi-blind and got an S rank on my first try.

Yes, I had to use a stone on Zeus-Dios cause his preemptive hits harder than my health allows but fuck it I got it back and murdered everything in my way because Vishnu is Balanced Attacker.

[commandercool]

The game lets you get an S-rank even if you lose? Huh. I did not assume that.

[Jq1790]

The game lets you get an S-rank even if you lose? Huh. I did not assume that.

Continues do not deduct points other than taking the one extra turn, so...

Hey, whatever works, right?  Dios' preemp is a load of crap anyway from what I tend to see of peoples' runins with him. 

Relatedly, something tells me running AKarin is gonna pay me back handsomely when I get the team to Rush-level specifications, given a LOT of the baddies in those are either sub-or-main dark and often have one of her other two colors involved somewhere.  Probably the worst thing will be dealing with turn 1 Hera-Ur when I get to Hera Rush, but I'll tackle that when I get there.

[commandercool]

Probably the worst thing will be dealing with turn 1 Hera-Ur when I get to Hera Rush, but I'll tackle that when I get there.

Just keep in mind that she only uses her water bind when she's above 50% HP for some reason. So it shouldn't be too tough for you to knock her below half into resistable/no bind range before she can move.

[Jq1790]

Just keep in mind that she only uses her water bind when she's above 50% HP for some reason. So it shouldn't be too tough for you to knock her below half into resistable/no bind range before she can move.

...oh?  That IS useful info, thanks!  Considering I'm planning to wait til AKarin is maxskill and I have some other stuff evo'd and leveled before even TRYING a Rush I should be able to have her up turn 1 if I get my subs all lined up well, so I shouldn't have too much issue unless she gives me a dud 7star.

[Suikama]

what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever

[Mr. Sacchi]

what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever

what dungeon is that

[Suikama]

The latest Challenge 10 in JP

[commandercool]

Finally finished hypermaxing Liu Bei. He's been +99 ATK and RCV for like a week, but it's taken me forever to finish his HP. I've been working on a Kali for my next project, and I got her to +58 off of ATK and RCV overflow. That... isn't right. :wat:

...oh?  That IS useful info, thanks!  Considering I'm planning to wait til AKarin is maxskill and I have some other stuff evo'd and leveled before even TRYING a Rush I should be able to have her up turn 1 if I get my subs all lined up well, so I shouldn't have too much issue unless she gives me a dud 7star.

Even a dud 7-star would probably do it, since you're also doing double damage to her because she's red.

what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever

How OHKOed? All the way? Is he tankable?

Chalk that one up to another point for Sun Quan on Ra teams I suppose.

[Suikama]

He hits for like 40k

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V



Also Stream time

[Thaws]

It's like vishnu's 3rd appearance and Orochi is probably the best answer out there. Orochi lead is amazing now for lv10.

[commandercool]

He hits for like 40k

Oh, okay. So that's sort of tankable.

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V

Yeah, I don't actually know what this guy looks like, but based on your description I was taking it to mean that you actually have to delay him to get past him. If his shield lasts for more than one turn and it's actually possible to kill him through it, which I'm assuming is the case now, then that doesn't actually help that much.

As for low cooldowns... That's pretty relative, but having five seven-turn skill is pretty low, especially if you choose to use Sun Quan as a two-turn haste. That should get you through most dungeons, especially since you don't need an active on every floor. Maybe not Ultimate Arena (I still haven't looked at it that closely) or Hypothetical True Ultimate Arena I guess. But through all of the Legend Plus content in the game, alts, and descends I don't think I have ever been in a situation where all of my skills were on cooldown and I need is just a blank skill to activate Ra's enhance. Maybe there have been times when I wasted an active to get the enhance and then ended up needing it later, but if that's the case I didn't recognize it as such at the time.

What are all of the very high-damage (above 20k) pre-emptives in the game? I've been meaning to do the math for a while on which of those Isis saves you from. There's Ultimate Hera, Zeus Dios, and who else?

[Janitor Morgan]

Oh, okay. So that's sort of tankable.

Is it tankable with a team that can do more than 10% of his HP per turn, because that's how much he heals each turn?

EDIT: actually just going to paste his stats here, one moment

EDIT EDIT:



Preemptive 999-turn 1 million damage shield, and 99-turn heart/jammer skyfall boost. If you have any Lakshmi form in your team, his first move is to do nothing. The first turn he gets after that (or his first move if you have no Lakshmi) is a 999-turn status shield.

Above 30%: 20700 + hearts to jammers + another 2588 + heal 10%; 36224 + another 2588 + heal 10%; or 31050 + I think this is first column hearts, fifth column wood + another 2588 + heal 10%.

Below 50%, I believe every other turn: 18113 + bind five monsters for two turns + another 2588 + heal 10%.

Below 30%: skip turn once, and then repeatedly do 776250.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Stream Results:
Everyone aced all the challenges. Flampy, 4 stones, 2 TAMADRA incoming.

Sengoku Pantheon incoming
Okuninushi, Apollo, Awoken Orochi, and Awoken Susano incoming. So fast! I wish we could get descend carnival so I could get some more Tengu.....
Zaerog Infinity confirmed to start Soon^TM
Present Machine resetting now with starter-beans included, be sure to use yours if you haven't already.

Streams are definitely picking up in quality, even if they tend to drag a bit here and there. Antonio and AJ are definitely stepping up their game, which is nice. Antonio managed to beat Sha Wujing/Zhu Bajie Legend with an Awoken Venus team.

[trancehime]

He hits for like 40k

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V

His damage limit is 1M which is fine.

Delay is pretty much a must for him to be 0-stoned.

[Mr. Sacchi]

Lots of new shit announced. Shingeki no Kyoujin cards revealed but I'm not gonna go through them cause we all know we ain't getting them in NA.

Izanagi is getting a L/D split uvo that's God/Balanced, gains additional TPA and 2 SBs
U&Y are getting a Mega Uvo that also adds Physical Typing, another +wood orb awakening and a SBR, LS also grants x1,2atk to gods after using a skill.

- Mori active max cd will be reduced to 14 turns (down from 15)
- All Sonia active down to 12 turns
- U&Y active down to 7 turns (down from 8
- Ilm, Avalon Drake, Paradise Sonia cooldowns also reduced by 1

Kushi also got a mega-uvo, third typing is attacker, LS is same but gives a "boost" to god types after skill. Probably 1.2x like U&Y
AThor and AI&I are now a thing, Their actives were changed to a x2 boost for 1 turn +1 turn haste. LSs changed to x2.5ATK/RCV for their respective elements (So Sonias are now feeling really threatened on that department.)
AThor's Awakenings are Triple light row, 2 SBRs, 1 Atk up(Really gungho?) and 2 SBs. Becomes Devil/Attacker.
AI&I is 2 Water rows, 2 TPAs, 2 SBRs, 1 SB and an HP up (Again, really gungho?). Becomes Physical/Devil.
Ult Noah increases the RCV boost to x1.5 and gives her a water row and a SB.
Ult Verdandi gains a Time Extend, a +Wood Orb and a SB. No Machine Typing.
Awoken Sakuya is L/B Dragon/Healer. Active becomes 20% grav + 2 turns bind recovery. LS is same and adds a x1.3 multiplier if you reach 7+ combos. Awakes are all over the fucking place (+ light orb, jammer resist,blind resist, sbr, TPA, finger, bind immunity and SB)

So overall... what the fuck, gungho?

[trancehime]

JP twitter flamed the fucking hell out of YamaP so they will buff Awoken Kirin.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

...really? She's pretty fucking amazing as she is.

What's next, complaining that 5 stones and 5 pys aren't enough?

[Jq1790]

I really think those people need to just learn to shut up and take what they get sometimes I mean holy crap.  She's always been a mini-resist to most/all statuses...plus I think her LS is plenty fine.

Getting past whiny people for a bit though...I wonder how Freyja is gonna be.  I like the LSs, that stat set will be pretty great.

Ult Noah is pretty good I think, but I'll have to think to decide if I wanna invest in her given all the other water stuff I already HAVE.

Kushi gets even better which I like, but given her first ult was full of extra Awakes she'll prob lose em which makes that a no sell if it's the case.  I dontt lead with her so the LS boost wont help me.

Overall cool stuff I think!

[The Greatest Dog]

Awoken Thor... Wonder Yellow?

Kushi's ult is a super ult, like Valks and Kirin so she won't lose the awoken skills.

Awoken Kirin going Healer is pretty sweet as far as things go. Also means we can field ~*~Sandalphon~*~ (or Sun Quan if you have him) and I can just keep doing my LZL thang.

Shame that awoken Ammy isn't red to fill that gap now.