Author Topic: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie  (Read 94285 times)

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #300 on: September 25, 2015, 05:53:51 PM »
I thought he already had good awoken skills in his other ults?

The leader skill is the biggest change for sure, but who has Balanced/Machine dark teams yet?

People don't run them based on type. They run them as dark teams and it seems to still generate impressive results.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #301 on: September 25, 2015, 07:32:06 PM »
With that said, if I run a BATS MAN team I have an excellent use for the awesomely designed but extremely under-utilized Creuse.  And Gravis, for that matter.

... Man, I'm gonna have to skill those two up, that sounds pretty awesome.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #302 on: September 25, 2015, 08:16:54 PM »
descend challenge cleared just in time for challenge

halp

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #303 on: September 25, 2015, 08:20:43 PM »
No Tama invades yet a handful of runs into Kanetsugu. Anybody seen or heard of any yet?

descend challenge cleared just in time for challenge

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Don't even bother with the new challenge past a certain point. Not worth all the stamina when there's so much other stuff to do. And you even have Rankup Tama to grease the farm wheels.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #304 on: September 25, 2015, 08:54:16 PM »
I got a HP Tama on Mythical when just clearing it for the stone, so it definitely does happen.

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #305 on: September 25, 2015, 09:18:19 PM »


seemed like a pretty good idea at the time

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #306 on: September 25, 2015, 09:27:52 PM »
I got a HP Tama on Mythical when just clearing it for the stone, so it definitely does happen.

Kay cool. It's not that I didn't think it could happen, but a little reinforcement of the notion that these are in fact Chinese invade rarity would be nice. Not that I've seen anything to indicate otherwise.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #307 on: September 25, 2015, 10:19:35 PM »


seemed like a pretty good idea at the time

Without any diversity you're gonna run out of wood orbs to convert super fast :v

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #308 on: September 25, 2015, 11:04:50 PM »
Looks like they changed beach Pandora's leader skill to the JP one, I was wondering why I was getting multipliers from tpas
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #309 on: September 25, 2015, 11:11:56 PM »
Looks like they changed beach Pandora's leader skill to the JP one, I was wondering why I was getting multipliers from tpas
Yeah, all the Hero Gods got their LSs updated so they can hit for 2x on 4 orbs now, scaling up normally.  For those who run them it should help a LOT in orb conservation since 4x is enough for most trash mobs.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #310 on: September 26, 2015, 12:11:20 AM »
dammit the dungeons that the HP tama invade aren't easily farmable except for kane but i already wasted my stamina on garbagefriday dungeon

stone? y/n

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #311 on: September 26, 2015, 01:28:49 AM »


seemed like a pretty good idea at the time

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #312 on: September 26, 2015, 02:10:37 AM »


This dungeon probably wants more plusses out of me.

inb4 Chirei Alraune clear

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #313 on: September 26, 2015, 02:15:02 AM »
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #314 on: September 26, 2015, 02:18:03 AM »
0/5 invades on kane so far

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #315 on: September 26, 2015, 02:55:22 AM »
Aaaaaah fuck you Zaerog I just had a super king hang on with like 1% health and then I died. I can clear this, but I'm kind of mad at it.


0/5 invades on kane so far

0/4 so far for me.

Edit: Oh holy shit never mind, I didn't realize the super kings had so much more HP than usual. This dungeon is impossible for Gabriel until Beyzul gets buffed to have at least one skillboost or I get Andro. Ra it is I guess, and that might be painful.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 03:21:23 AM by commandercool »
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #316 on: September 26, 2015, 03:13:32 AM »
I FUCKING DID IT

FUCK YOU WADASUMI SUCK ON MY LITERAL NUTS
because i used nut to clear it :V

oh yeah also devil rush cleared on the first try although i did get pretty good boards and spawns


Man even with Nut though Wadatsumi was WAY HARDER than devil rush

I had to combo my ass off with no time extends just to barely deal any damage

Devil Rush was just like oh as long as I use my actives right and set up the board for big combos then everything just dies ez plus I can stall on both Corpse Dragon and Mesphisto


oh yeah and 0/7 invades

this is stupid
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #317 on: September 26, 2015, 03:46:34 AM »
this is stupid

You think this is bad?

I went 1/50 of Ilia invades in 1 hour of Goemon Descended during event...

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #318 on: September 26, 2015, 04:01:00 AM »
Aaaah! AAAAAAAH!!  OH GOD! Doing Zaerog with Ra, and shit's getting real.

I misunderstood how his form transition works a little, so I fucked myself and got hit by Sacrifice even though I shouldn't have. But then I set up a perfect kill board, was ready to smash him to pieces, and somehow fucked it up and ended up off by one orb.

Now I have one last chance to kill him, my board has all my colors but is a total mess, and my hands are shaking and I don't know if I can put this combo together because my setup isn't great.

Honestly regardless of whether I win or lose this is super fun. I'm gonna take a break to assess the board and calm down. Will be back with the final results in a few.



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« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 04:33:03 AM by commandercool »
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #319 on: September 26, 2015, 08:17:52 AM »
Meanwhile I just decided to say fuck it and two-stoned it with Vishnu since Zaerog deals a bit too much damage even for my Horus team to handle (at least at those levels.)

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #320 on: September 26, 2015, 08:31:44 AM »
The stars and the blackness beyond belong to me, and only me.

*Chirei's hax Alraune kicks Z8's ass into next week*

Holy shit Chirei.... i love Alraune's artwork but you are making her looks so badass it hurts! Did you manage to clear some Rush and/or some high lvl challenges with her too?

inb4 Chirei post screenshot of Yamato Challenge with Alraune and i throw my phone out the window

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #321 on: September 26, 2015, 12:20:07 PM »
Holy shit Chirei.... i love Alraune's artwork but you are making her looks so badass it hurts! Did you manage to clear some Rush and/or some high lvl challenges with her too?

inb4 Chirei post screenshot of Yamato Challenge with Alraune and i throw my phone out the window

Go back a page or so, I beat the entirety of Descended Challenge with her yesterday as well. It was quite the stressful day >_<

No plans for Yamato Rush yet, still got that and Dragon Rush to go with her.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #322 on: September 26, 2015, 12:51:28 PM »
Go back a page or so, I beat the entirety of Descended Challenge with her yesterday as well. It was quite the stressful day >_<

No plans for Yamato Rush yet, still got that and Dragon Rush to go with her.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #323 on: September 26, 2015, 12:54:47 PM »
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #324 on: September 26, 2015, 01:22:34 PM »
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.

You think so? I would've thought Autoheal was the least useful by far. What do people use the Autoheal one for?

On paper the ATK one seems acceptable to me for rainbow teams especially since they tend to have large multipliers, which will multiply the bonus a lot of times, but they're not definitely going to one-shot everything. They could be options on white Kalis over the Time Extend boost, for example. Maybe the scaling doesn't actually work that way, but that makes sense to me in theory.

0/7 Kanetsugu and 0/2 Beelzebub invades so far. Still nothing statistically unlikely, but I'm not getting especially lucky.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #325 on: September 26, 2015, 01:27:53 PM »
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.

+RCV is actually

+ATK is the most popular of the status up latents by a landslide, common targets are tripledongers, Goemon, Shiva Dragon, other high-multiplier burst leads

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #326 on: September 26, 2015, 01:28:06 PM »
You think so? I would've thought Autoheal was the least useful by far. What do people use the Autoheal one for?

On paper the ATK one seems acceptable to me for rainbow teams especially since they tend to have large multipliers, which will multiply the bonus a lot of times, but they're not definitely going to one-shot everything. They could be options on white Kalis over the Time Extend boost, for example. Maybe the scaling doesn't actually work that way, but that makes sense to me in theory.

IMO Resists >>> HP >= RCV > ATK >> TE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoheal

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #327 on: September 26, 2015, 02:08:43 PM »
IMO Resists >>> HP >= RCV > ATK >> TE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoheal

That's consistent with my not-that-well-informed take on the situation.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #328 on: September 26, 2015, 02:40:58 PM »
That's consistent with my not-that-well-informed take on the situation.

The thing is that our opinions are just opinions - I actually have no idea how much of an impact the 1% ATK has, but obviously with the stat latents you want to stack them on something that at least has above average of that stat to be amplified. RCV seems to scale the best out of them all, being 4% on top of being the highest weighted stat point for point out of the three. But depending on teams say, would you really need more rcv on a double gabe team that already has x4 RCV? I doubt it.

At the same time, 1% ATK against enemies that have millions of health at a time, I am not so sure about.

EDIT: Some random theoretical math I guess.

Let's say you have a mon with 2000 ATK, and you slap 5 +ATK Latents on it. That's +100 ATK, the equivalent of a +ATK Awakening. Let's also assume that said mon goes through an overall multiplier of x2000 at the time of final damage calculation after all the bells and whistles. You will get at most, if the enemy is weak to it, an additional 400K damage. I suppose this would be useful in some situations, but you'd have to know you're lacking that much damage, and I'm not actually sure how high multipliers go by the end of things, but I'm pretty sure things like ABastet can get that x2000 final mult. At the same time, if you're already hitting mods that high, do you really need the additional damage at that point?

Meanwhile, HP. In a less extreme case, let's assume everyone in your party has 3000 HP base. Five HP Latents give +7.5% HP, so +225 HP per card, for a total of +1650 HP. Assuming no HP mods at all, this is what you get. an extra 1650 HP is easily enough to survive extra things you otherwise wouldn't, but this'd require having them on the whole party as opposed to the above case. Said team at hyper would probably have somewhere in the order of 26000+ HP instead of 24000+, and it's probably personal preference if they just feel safer with the HP.
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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
« Reply #329 on: September 26, 2015, 02:44:08 PM »
Got my TAMA this morning so I guess hyper AKarin is a thing.  Put my star if you want, mods; I'll put a pic up when I'm not at work since uploading pics to anywhere but FB is a non thing on my phone.

Just in time for me to possibly need a break from the game, ugh.  Yesterday was not a good day.   Tried ZInf because I'm an idiot, died like a dog to Nobunaga.  The big thing is how I spent like hundreds of stam on Takaoka with no luck S ranking despite it probably being one of the easiest SRanksim the game because :tricolor:
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