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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #960 on: September 13, 2015, 01:43:08 AM »
I'd actually be curious to see your level of success doing that when 2.5x isn't on. I'm still totally convinced it's rigged.

OK, I'll do it with Light CyberBeast when the biweekly for CyberDragons start and the x2.5 event is finished. Will let you know the results.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #961 on: September 13, 2015, 02:14:59 AM »
Holy fuck why can I not beat God Rush I did EVERYTHING RIGHT and then at the very end I only got a 5 combo board for Zeus

Fuck it Isis isn't top tier the japanese tiers were right Ra Dragon save me from this bullshit

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #962 on: September 13, 2015, 02:24:00 AM »
Fuck it Isis isn't top tier the japanese tiers were right Ra Dragon save me from this bullshit

I do believe any leader that can get a team through Ultimate Arena should be considered "Top Tier" or at least "High Enough Tier For Literally 99% Of The Player Base"

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #963 on: September 13, 2015, 02:34:56 AM »
My team isn't Ultimate Arena viable until I roll Hermes and then also spend like 750k MP

And even then it auto loses to bad luck like DQ Hera or Ult Beelz spawns

I just want to be able to kill things I'm tired of playing terrible teams in this goddamn game

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #964 on: September 13, 2015, 02:40:33 AM »
I've resigned myself to using Purin only as a Kirin, Ariel, and Supergirl sub at this point.

I know your struggle.

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #965 on: September 13, 2015, 02:53:44 AM »
Also I'm supposed to be farming +eggs right now but all my stam and some stones went into this bullshit and I still have nothing to show for it and I need the globes

Also I'm sick of rows and I miss att matching


Ugh I'm also still one monster off a perfect team for Ra Dragon. I need either another DKali for dungeon cheese or Kanna/Indra to be able to clear Ultimate Arena consistently.

I guess I could try to roll for them tomorrow but the odds are slim and I'm not giving gungho any more money
« Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 02:55:51 AM by Suikama »

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #966 on: September 13, 2015, 03:42:09 AM »
My team isn't Ultimate Arena viable until I roll Hermes and then also spend like 750k MP

And even then it auto loses to bad luck like DQ Hera or Ult Beelz spawns

I just want to be able to kill things I'm tired of playing terrible teams in this goddamn game

My point, Suikama, is that if a leader is good enough to be able to get a team - any team, really - through Ultimate Arena, then they're good enough for most of the game's population to use generally.

And if you don't want rows... don't match rows? She's still a rainbow leader.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 03:45:36 AM by Toyosatomimi No Sacchi »

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #967 on: September 13, 2015, 03:57:34 AM »
My point, Suikama, is that if a leader is good enough to be able to get a team - any team, really - through Ultimate Arena, then they're good enough for most of the game's population to use generally.

This is a really bad point, ultimately.

For example, MP dragons can do that and fuck if I'd reccomend anything besides maybe Ra Dragon on a consistent basis to players.

Actual team composition is huge.

And if you don't want rows... don't match rows? She's still a rainbow leader.

A rainbow leader that's effectively mono due to her second conditional, and doesn't really have a self prong either. My best case suggestion for non-row A. Isis would be Muse with a buch of sub-water cards, which sounds annoying and obviously not in Suikama's favor.

That's not even getting into the fact suikama's box itself really favors rows in the first place.

No, Sacchi, 'don't use rows' isn't really good advice. At all.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #968 on: September 13, 2015, 04:07:22 AM »
My point, Suikama, is that if a leader is good enough to be able to get a team - any team, really - through Ultimate Arena, then they're good enough for most of the game's population to use generally.

Ra Dragon is basically the only one with above 75% win-rate, a lot of other teams CAN win but require far more RNG and favourable luck to make it through. Don't make it sound easier than it actually is lmao, especially when you can't even try it due to it not being in NA yet.

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And if you don't want rows... don't match rows? She's still a rainbow leader.

A.Isis base multiplier is really not great, it's x9 without using an active and x20.25 after using active. This meant that if you can't use active every round, your only effective form of damage is matching rows. Blue as a color in general is also very row-focused. If you're telling Suikama not to use rows, you may as well tell him to use a different color entirely lmao

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #969 on: September 13, 2015, 04:14:45 AM »
My best case suggestion for non-row A. Isis would be Muse
Muse
triggered.jpg :colonveeplusalpha:


also i've been running this fucking dungeon all week and i cant even beat it once

even if i do eventually beat it it would have not been worth it, and it proves my team is not 'good enough' because a good team should be able to clear things consistently (otherwise you waste a shitting of fucking stamina that I actually need for other things)

like fatty dragon is still an auto loss. i thought it was fine before because OH BOY I CAN BURST HIM DOWN AM I GOOD YET but NOPE because it take up all my actives to do it and then I'm 100% fucked for the final level

also i thought aIsis would be "unorbtrollable" because hey 3 atts is easy right? but nope jammers completely fucks that, as well as anything that messes with wood or dark, and the fact that I sometimes don't even get 3 dark or wood

i also struggle with Dragon Rush, and Devil Rush still seems almost impossible as well as most Challenge 9s

and this is despite the fact I have a fully +297 total REM team that i had to dump a lot of actual cash to get. all that and I still can't do this shit because of fucking bullshit

sure hermes solves a lot of these problem, but I literally have to pull this one card for me to stop being so terrible

also there's no guaranteed i'll ever get hermes just as i've never been able to get fucking Muse


at least I'm guaranteed to get Ra Dragon (I have enough MP if I sell Dmeta, Ronia, and my other extra godfest exclusives) and somehow I already have the 'hard' part down of getting two DKalis

its also kind of sad that Ra Dragon not only has more power but is straight up tankier and better at stalling too. 2.25x RCV and much higher base HP because my Isis team is mostly healers and despite that my RCV isn't as high as a Ra Dragon team like come on
« Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 04:19:30 AM by Suikama »

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #970 on: September 13, 2015, 04:29:35 AM »
A rainbow leader that's effectively mono due to her second conditional, and doesn't really have a self prong either. My best case suggestion for non-row A. Isis would be Muse with a buch of sub-water cards, which sounds annoying and obviously not in Suikama's favor.

That's not even getting into the fact suikama's box itself really favors rows in the first place.

No, Sacchi, 'don't use rows' isn't really good advice. At all.

I don't know about you, but I play this game to have fun, if Suikama does not have fun playing the row games, he can just play in another way entirely, a way which he does derive fun from, in this case, rainbow matching. My Vishnu team does far (far) better than my Horus team for way less effort. I also do not play my Vishnu team all that often and instead focus as much as I possibly can on my Horus team, cause, guess what, I actually enjoy playing rainbow teams, in fact, I enjoy it a whole lot more than "do you have four green orbs or enough orbchanging to make said orbs appear?"

Ra Dragon is basically the only one with above 75% win-rate, a lot of other teams CAN win but require far more RNG and favourable luck to make it through. Don't make it sound easier than it actually is lmao, especially when you can't even try it due to it not being in NA yet.

I... didn't say it was easy? At all? In fact I said the exact opposite?

Most teams cannot go through Ultimate Arena, I'm not oblivious to that fact, it's not an easy dungeon and it wasn't meant to be. But exactly because of that, if a team has a leader that is able to make it through the extremely challenging content that is Ultimate Arena, then yes, I am pretty sure that same leader can be used for more general content. Especially since Ultimate Arena far outclasses a lot of other stuff.

Chirei himself has proven the fact that, you can have a """""""""low-tier""""""""" leader and still very much do well with fully farmable subs. This shouldn't be news to anyone.

A.Isis base multiplier is really not great, it's x9 without using an active and x20.25 after using active. This meant that if you can't use active every round, your only effective form of damage is matching rows. Blue as a color in general is also very row-focused. If you're telling Suikama not to use rows, you may as well tell him to use a different color entirely lmao

I am also aware of this, but again, see my reply to Chaore. Especially when you consider that, if worst comes to worst, Suikama can just revert back to B/L Isis.

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #971 on: September 13, 2015, 04:37:26 AM »
point is this game makes me want to throw my phone in the trash

i even took a break and then came back only to rage again

so im selling my soul and waifu to the devil i dont even give a fuck anymore give me that god tier na pls


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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #973 on: September 13, 2015, 05:44:34 AM »
Heheh. First time I ever cleared a rush.  I've been eyeing them for a long time, and I managed to clear one. I didn't even expect to win. I just had 200 stamina and wanted to dump it sometwhere. I got really lucky though. Had I ran in to EKMD, I'd have probably been screwed. He's really dumb. He seems unreasonably hard compared to the rest of the dungeon. I wouldn't mind if they adjusted him a bit. Gaia was straight forward. Athena was annoyingly tanky, but not much of a an issue. Dios worried me because  I screwed up  and even with Echidna , didn't kill him for some reason., even blowing several actives.  I completlely forgot that his sheild takes priority over everything else. From there, I ran in to Satan, who was nice enough to let me stall  for skills. Had Beezlebub or EMKD showed up, things would have gotten ugly. I got really scared when Iskyfalls pushed Zeus in the light range, but fortunately I  had Metatron to bail me out. Echidna was up too. so from there it was a done deal.

Another funny thing,. I was clearing Zeus Merc with Perseus( how crap he faceroll that dungeon hard. ) and when I got to Neptune I knocked him into 50% and he gave me a ton of poisons when I had 7k. I was just thinking "Oh, I am screwed,, I'm going to need GGY's active just so I have the health to not die when I match these poisons." Imagine my surprise to see  an almost all green board to go with my extra health.

I don't know about you, but I play this game to have fun, if Suikama does not have fun playing the row games, he can just play in another way entirely, a way which he does derive fun from, in this case, rainbow matching. My Vishnu team does far (far) better than my Horus team for way less effort. I also do not play my Vishnu team all that often and instead focus as much as I possibly can on my Horus team, cause, guess what, I actually enjoy playing rainbow teams, in fact, I enjoy it a whole lot more than "do you have four green orbs or enough orbchanging to make said orbs appear?"


It's not that Suikama doesn't have fun playing rows, though. He's fine with that. The problem is that Isis got kinda screwed in the leader department. Her multiplier isn't high enough to go rainbow and the blue prong pool isn't that great at the moment, espeicially in NA.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #974 on: September 13, 2015, 06:43:45 AM »
I am also aware of this, but again, see my reply to Chaore. Especially when you consider that, if worst comes to worst, Suikama can just revert back to B/L Isis.

B/L isis is even worse because unlike A.Isis she has no rows OR prongs so technically her damage is even shittier than A.Isis even you forget the fact that Suikama doesn't have Hermes or Karin, Hermes is especially important to give A.Isis her firepower. Quite frankly Suikama is probably just sick of the fact that Isis just requires stuff it doesn't seem like he's ever going to get, whereas with Ra Dragon which shits on a lot of things he already has 2 DKali (and I might remind you that I have 0 Dkalis the entire time she was released in JP) so why not just take the OP route instead.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #975 on: September 13, 2015, 07:19:51 AM »
[03:07:56] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> okay
[03:08:26] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> pulls made, buying additional two so I can make one more with the bonus tomorrow
[03:08:59] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Dragonette (lol, finally got one after all this time, shame it will be sold), Creuse, Thunderdragon Indra, Thanatos, and Urd
[03:09:05] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> ...I am very okay with this
[03:09:49] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> was hoping for shiva/lakshmi/nephthys but I can make these work
[03:10:24] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> ...wait shit
[03:10:44] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> this means I have to plunge myself into t r i f r u i t  h e l l again
[03:10:49] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> noooooooooooo ;-;

I'm quite okay with all of these actually! Still will roll one more with tomorrow's stone hoping for Shiva/Lakshmi/Nephthys/Dragon Callers, but I already know how I will be using all of these.

Creuse: Proooobably a situational Awoken Tsukuyomi sub
Indra: Pretty much ANY light team tbh, but especially light row. Awoken Venus might like him, as might LKali or A.Sakuya whenever she comes out.
Urd: Finally a fire heartmaker. Gadius can use her! Though I wish there were more R/B units I could straight up run with so I can use her as a leader. Maybe I shouldn't have sold 2 of my 3 Ame no Uzumes :v

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #976 on: September 13, 2015, 12:46:42 PM »


There's that. Moving on to Rodin or Yamato Takeru.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #977 on: September 13, 2015, 01:59:15 PM »
2 hearts...
I though I wouldn't make it, but Haku gave me enough dark.
Never mind, OHKO



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- Shiva
not bad :)

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #978 on: September 13, 2015, 02:39:49 PM »
Thought I'd treat myself a little. I did just finally get a new (not temp!) job, after all.

-Flame Dragon Swordsman (dupe)
-Izanagi (dupe, but will hold for split ult)
-Flame Dragon Swordsman  (again?!)
-Urd (didn't I just get you?!)
-Ra (that makes four................ Come on.)

I was kind of annoyed at this point, so I decided I'd finish off the last 4 stones I had with a 6 pack.

-Avalon Drake
-holy shit Satsuki

Okay yeah there we fucking go *-*

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #979 on: September 13, 2015, 03:59:48 PM »
i finally did it

but i feel no joy

only emptiness

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #980 on: September 13, 2015, 04:22:27 PM »
yolo roll

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #981 on: September 14, 2015, 01:18:43 AM »
DKali #1 hypermaxed

she had to eat Seig and Echinda in the process though

RIP o7

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #982 on: September 14, 2015, 01:48:00 AM »
Batman stuff since it started in JP about 45 mins ago


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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #983 on: September 14, 2015, 02:07:04 AM »
JP question, do the MP dragons rotate, or do they get added permanently to the store

Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #984 on: September 14, 2015, 02:09:25 AM »
Not JP here, but as far as I'm aware when Neptune Dragon got added, Shiva Dragon was removed, and so on.

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #985 on: September 14, 2015, 02:13:33 AM »
JP question, do the MP dragons rotate, or do they get added permanently to the store

they rotate as rdj said... usually.

currently, Ra Dragon and Marionettes don't have a set date to get phased out

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #986 on: September 14, 2015, 02:51:49 AM »
Tangentially related: you know, I really hope that the eventual dark dragon is Pandora.

We can she's...

Spoiler:
Pandoradora

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #987 on: September 14, 2015, 07:55:33 AM »

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #988 on: September 14, 2015, 07:58:30 AM »
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/643328890446807040

The dark dragon is Yomi Dragon.

I'm guessing the active skill is "extends time to move orbs by 4 seconds and reduces allied CDs by 1 turn"?

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Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)
« Reply #989 on: September 14, 2015, 08:37:14 AM »
I'm guessing the active skill is "extends time to move orbs by 4 seconds and reduces allied CDs by 1 turn"?

taken from my reddit thread:

D/L - God/Dragon
Awakenings: 1x Orb Enhance, 1x Bind Recovery, 2x Time Extend, 2x Skill Boost, Bind Immunity
AS - Randomly creates 4 Dark orbs and Hearts orbs on the board. 1 turn of Haste.
LS - When matching 5 orbs with 1 enhanced orb in it, x4 ATK. ATK and RCV of Gods x1.5

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