Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)

[The Greatest Dog]

Chubby dog ate a Bonia for breakfast on the day of September 3rd.

He is literally the chubbiest dog now.

[Edible]

Holy shit, that HP though.

[O4rfish]

Oh my god Becky.

[The Greatest Dog]

I think you mean... oh my dog?

Also fed +RCV to Light Zhuge Liang because +148 RCV is actually kinda big when his active skill multiplies it by 10.

[Chaore]

No Claire, I never go to the FB page, is it like this yet?

No.

We're probably not going to see that either, at this point the ten minute attention span of pad players has passed, and everyone is oogling shiva dragon's ability to whale farm.

[Mr. Sacchi]

I just got done taking a long hard look at my monster box and ultimately decided that the MP shop is a feature exclusive to ultra-whales.

I sold pretty much everything that was even remotely useless to me (save my multiple meimeis) and I still only have 61k MP. Not only that but looking at the costs for the latent awakening TAMADRAs and their effects... frankly the results are just dumb.

So basically as far as I'm concerned nothing changed in this update.

[Chaore]

I'll point out that while being a bit conservative, I myself, after dumping like 1.5k+ into this game only have about 170k in assets.

This is honestly mostly an effect of 'whaling earlier in the games lifetime' because you can't get the full effect of mp shop on the first release.

And well.

the fact they fucking screwed us on gzl/ggy fuck you guys seriously

[commandercool]

Cashed out slightly conservatively, got 9.7k monster points. I decided to hand onto a few things that I arguably should sell, like my one extra Urd and my second Yamato Takeru (I know conventional wisdom is that you wouldn't sell a second Hero God anyway, but I don't like how Takeru stacks with his only having one row. But I'll keep two anyway because I might be being dumb about that). And I guess I still have tons of crappy silvers (PAD Z, fairy tale girls) that I really have no reason to keep, but I'm taking it easy on selling stuff until I either really need box space or need just a few more points to buy something. Not that I necessarily think I'm ever going to be able to buy anything, but I'm not sure how much of a difference I expect the monster store fodder and the tiny scraps of points you get just by playing normally to add up. More than anything I'm happy to have my box space back.

[Chaore]

(I know conventional wisdom is that you wouldn't sell a second Hero God anyway, but I don't like how Takeru stacks with his only having one row. But I'll keep two anyway because I might be being dumb about that).

Six skill boosts is a lot of skill boosts. It's not all about rows, and it really never was.

[commandercool]

Certainly true, and you would know much better than I would about Takeru, but there is such a thing as too many skillboosts, and I'm going to guess two Takerus is a great way to get there.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Each hero has different benefits. Takeru is all about skill boosts, for example, while Perseus has two skill bind resists. Pandora is a row machine and has a massive pool of row subs. And so on.

Also: re: latent skills: a friend and I crunched some numbers and discovered that unless you are running Satan, Gigas, or Noah, the benefits of running +HP latents (assuming you stack the full team with them, in addition) are NOT as high as running rainbow resists on all of your party. This will essentially raise your HP higher (Though you obviously will not see the number rise) AND give you an innate RCV boost as well, since you do not have more HP to recover in total, and thus it's easier to refill. So you get beyond more benefit and then some. Pretty neat if you're willing to spend the extra bit more for them.

[The Greatest Dog]

When you field Belial with his unskillable 17 cd...


There is only too many skill boosts if everything is already charged. Unfortunately, 2x YouTuberus + Awoken Leilan means you already have 8... Anything beyond Kiriko and Belial is frivolous.

[Chaore]

Certainly true, and you would know much better than I would about Takeru, but there is such a thing as too many skillboosts, and I'm going to guess two Takerus is a great way to get there.

You'd be close.

Three takeru is where you go if you just really want that overkill, and it depends on what you're fielding even THEN.

You don't end up hugely (if even) with double takeru over your maximum usually, trust me.

When you field Belial with his unskillable 17 cd...


There is only too many skill boosts if everything is already charged. Unfortunately, 2x YouTuberus + Awoken Leilan means you already have 8... Anything beyond Kiriko and Belial is frivolous.

And normally the rest of those slots won't have as many skill boosts, which is the point :v

You've already used half your slots doing that, so yeah you'd -want- atleast 8ish by that point.

[The Greatest Dog]

Shivadora is the only thing that I would justify going over 10 skill boosts for, unless everything else you have already holds it on their own.

Leillan at 9, Belial at 7, Kiriko at 10. Popping those early means I can use Shivadora as soon as possible, so it kinda works out. but I don't whale enough.

[commandercool]

trust me.

I WILL.

And normally the rest of those slots won't have as many skill boosts, which is the point :v

You've already used half your slots doing that, so yeah you'd -want- atleast 8ish by that point.

Traditionally, yeah, but lately double skillboosts are getting pretty common, especially if you've got a couple awoken gods on board. Spending half your slots to get 8 puts you in a situation where it wouldn't be unreasonable to have another 3-5 at from the other three slots.

Not that that's the worst thing ever or anything, and worst case scenario Takeru's other awakenings are just fine, it just makes me disinclined to want two of him most of the time.

But again, I didn't actually sell my extra one, so whateveeeer.

[OverlordChirei]

I just got done taking a long hard look at my monster box and ultimately decided that the MP shop is a feature exclusive to ultra-whales.

I have 40K MP right now, and that's not even selling all my dupes.

With the resources I have right now, if I all-in'd on a godfest and sold everything I got, I'd probably come out with 150k-200k total easily. It's not impossible to get the shop-only guys as non-iap, but you just have to wait, which is non-iap's whole schtick anyway.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Sold off a shitload of stuff, but kept some of my dupes for now; ones that are bound to get new/awoken ults in the future or are HOPEFULLY getting buffs at some time or another (looking at you, wizards and ninjas (though I did sell my dupe Hanzo and my dupe riders (including both dino riders because I've had that mf'er since the start and i've never used him in almost two years of play))).

Kept:
one of my dupe Leilans
two of my three Ame no Uzume
my wizards even though I still think they're boatanchors unless they actually get farmable skillups and ults
my dupe Norse (Thor and Freyja dupes)
my dupe Skuld (she's tempting to sell, but she could get a sweet ult too, so idk)
my dragon swordsmen
dupe Orochi
all my collab silvers
my fruit dragons except for the dupe lemon I pulled at godfest
my dupe Kushi
my dupe Astaroth (though I sold my Amon and FA Luci dupe because there's no way I'll ever use Amon since I have no drive to skill him up, and even though I went to all that effort to skillmax my first Luci, I have still never used him)
my dupe Ras (I guess having multiples is a good farming thing if I ever have the drive to make three Awoken Ra)
both of my Apocalypses (he got gud)
Arcline (don't really have a use for Arcline since I have Sun Quan, but maybe someday)
my fairytale girls (pls get ults)
my dupe Persephone (torn on making two of her healer ult, idk yet)

The above is all on the chopping block but they're all in limbo. So for now, I wait.


And no, MP shop is definitely not just for ultra-whales, it's just who it favors most. I've done my share of IAP, but to consider me a whale would be to say that I was but one of the tiniest whales in the sea, relatively speaking. And I still can put this to good use. Non-IAP can benefit too, it's just that they have to wait longer, as Chirei said.

[aUsernameIsFineToo]

Sold a genie and salamander for 6k MP. For non-IAPers the MP shop is literally "sell unwanted REM drops and other stuff", as a few have already said.

[Janitor Morgan]

Also going to throw out there that spending MP on latent tamas specifically may not be the best of ideas, since they're going to be invades in the technical number dragon dungeons (so Threedia and above) as well as in 5x4 versions of descends.

[The Greatest Dog]

Also going to throw out there that spending MP on latent tamas specifically may not be the best of ideas, since they're going to be invades in the technical number dragon dungeons (so Threedia and above) as well as in 5x4 versions of descends.

... gives me a reason to farm Defoud skillups, I suppose.

Edit: I stopped putzing around and finally tried out Dragon Realm.


I know that half of the team is attacker/healer, but that's an undogly amount of HP for non-Gabriel.

[commandercool]

Got to work yesterday on skilling up Krishna, but the update started before I got finish my Fire Insect Dragon runs. Did another batch this morning, ranked up and did some more, fed 11 of them to Krishna just now. Got a ton of skillups (well four, but that's pretty incredible for 11 feeds), was excited, then was horrified to see how much farther I have to go. I... Don't think I'm gonna finish him on this rotation. Unless this luck holds up, I guess.

Edit: I stopped putzing around and finally tried out Dragon Realm.


I know that half of the team is attacker/healer, but that's an undogly amount of HP for non-Gabriel.

Did you have a plan for if Zaerog absorbed light? Or did he and you got around it?

Actually, how does Zaerog's resist actually work? PDX makes it look like he pre-emptively absorbs both light and dark, and once those wear off he starts randomly putting up one shield or the other. That's not what happened when I fought him though. I assumed at the time that their site is just wrong and he actually randomly uses one pre-emptive or the other. Is that right, or is there a pattern to it?

[The Greatest Dog]

Zaerog didn't absorb light on this go, which is quite fortunate. However, I did have both Amaterasu and LZL's active skills to heal up until I got the chance to attack.

I was also fortunate to encounter Light Fagan, who hits like a pansy for taking two turns to attack. But whatever no big deal. Got it done once and that's all that matters.

[Janitor Morgan]

Actually, how does Zaerog's resist actually work? PDX makes it look like he pre-emptively absorbs both light and dark, and once those wear off he starts randomly putting up one shield or the other. That's not what happened when I fought him though. I assumed at the time that their site is just wrong and he actually randomly uses one pre-emptive or the other. Is that right, or is there a pattern to it?

Yeah, it's randomly one preemptive or the other. In general, if the preemptives aren't listed together in a skill set (like, say, Awoken Shiva here), only one of them gets used.

EDIT: For examples we actually have, see Aamir or Zeus & Hera.

[Jq1790]

Sold stuff, gotlike 52k.  Max awoken Kaede get, amd Im sitting on the other 34k til I have a proper idea where Im gonna spend em.

[Edible]

I'm still holding out hope that they let us buy Claire (at which point I may sell some things I generally don't but might someday use, like my spare Blodin, in order to afford her).

In the meantime, I need to consider which mini-awakenings I want to give Bastet.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I'm not even sure I want Claire anymore.  She's great and all, but I've got my heart set on different things now and while she'd be great on Awoken Tsukuyomi, I'm holding out to see whatever the dark dragon will be like.

[The Greatest Dog]

Question. Would it be a good idea to sub out LZL or Valkyrie Rose for Lizy? Kirin is already approaching 25,000 HP, but taking out Valkyrie would give nearly a thousand more HP and a 4 cd damage reduction.

If I take out LZL, I'm missing out on a panic heal and the only doubledonger of the team. Take out Valkyrie and I miss out on some burst and a light orb enhance, but I'm much more likely to survive until I can burst.

Can't yet take out Amaterasu unless I can convince myself Ariel is reliable. Or get a LKali.

If I take out Purin, well, that's already game over.

[Edible]

^ Only in situations where you need a minimum threshold to survive a hit.

[Chaore]

I'm still holding out hope that they let us buy Claire (at which point I may sell some things I generally don't but might someday use, like my spare Blodin, in order to afford her).

And that's why we're not getting her, ultimately. Gungho knows now they'll have that continous benefit of the doubt, and by the time most of the population has realized fully, they boned us-

I'm not even sure I want Claire anymore.

And other signs of resignation and non-chalance.

Gungho got away pretty cleanly with it by now. They aren't pressured to and don't have to- and well, if they were going to, we'd probably have heard about it already.

If we don't hear anything about it in a few days, it's pretty succint to say gungho cheated us and got away with it.

[Jq1790]

What was the order of the 300k mons again?  Was it Shivagon-Nepgon-Claire-Odingon-Ragon?

Might see if they just slip her in as a "fond reminder of summer now that fall/winter are here(depending on timing)" or something.  I mean, I am firmly convinced that gunghoNA does not have it out for us(call me naive or whatever if you must) so maybe they'll pull some strings to get the bikiniclad Valk to us anyway.  Also keep an ear to whatever the next stream is since I doubt youd be the only one wanting to ask.