This game was just as painful skimming through the second time as the first, but this time I was mostly looking at early interactions especially dna/shalako which I kept skipping over before since people keep bringing it up.
This post is going to be messy because I didn't know how I wanted to format it but decided to put it all down because this game is so big it's easy for me to forget things.
DNA/Shalako started all the way on page three with Shalako saying DNA set off a red flag but not voting him, and then it becomes a back and forth about meta reads and lack of communication of something? So yeah upon reading this it's definitely not too far-fetched to be a scum/scum interaction; I've seen worse D1 busses. The inclusion of reaction images and dank memes make me think they're just messing around and in posts like this:
But Shadoweh basically nailed it, I am not willing to directly put a vote on Murrin at the moment because I still want to remain open-minded instead of pressing for a claim and potentially ignoring other scummy players, namely, powerlurking players such as Zak who could be a even better lynch depending on Murrin's response. Panic tend to make people screw up, and seeing how hysterical Murrin already is without being put to L-2, I hardly think it would be beneficial for his casemaking to further pressure Murrin.
It seems DNA is just trying to push alternative lynches while sitting on Shalako for reasons I can't really comprehend, and he soon jumped off onto Zakeri.
We also get gems on Shalako like this:
Even if I thought DNA was mafia it wouldn't stop me from questioning poor votes.
At this time i'm not willing to guess if DNA is town or Mafia but I don't think his line of attack on me is scummy even if it was poor for reasons i've stated.
Although then he did vote DNA soon after so I'm not sure what to think. I don't think the DNA wagon had any real chance of going through.
At any rate the wagons soon collapsed onto Zak. It would be ironic if I shut down a possible scum wagon onto a town mislynch, but oh well. Actually given that Dormio was the other major wagon that actually did happen, so. Mafia is too hard.
Shalako chimes in to say he likes Dormio blah blah.
Timing of Bard's Dormio wagon means it could have potentially gone through if the Zak wagon wasn't there as an alternative. I don't know. Feels kinda risky though and Bard did hard defend Shalako, weird that he would flashwagon another buddy instead. But governors etc but I think scum would want to save that until as late as possible?
Also, Bard posts clears DNA for "effort" and the Dormio vote could be a chainsaw.
Reading D2 again with Dan going hard after Bard and to some extent Shalako. DNA did a lot of defending of Bard and how this was definitely not scum!Bard, but goes after Shalako and Murrin instead. Shalako talks about his vote on DNA when he's not voting DNA.
Day stagnates with most people not voting until 24 hours left. I go after Serela. Whoops. :V
DNA claims giving me the drone. I questioned why he didn't just give it to a scum read but didn't push it. Another mistake in hindsight but I had no reason not to trust DNA back them.
DNA, My main reason to suspect him is pushing Policy Lynches, however I've never once seen a Lynch-Resistant Mafia, and he mentioned Beloved D1 in one of his walls, so I need to reconsider him.
Dormio Replaced by ActionDan I didn't understand why people attacked Dormio's post where he said paranoid reads beyond it being kinda fence sitting but I saw it as clarifying his thought process and Action Dan I agree with not trusting people just because they put effort into the game.
I mentioned this on D2 but Shalako taking this long to "reconsider" because of a claim that happened a previous day was pretty suspect. It does say more about Shalako than DNA, but I realized here that this way Shalako weaseled himself out of voting DNA at all despite DNA being his top scum read for most of D2 apparently.
A defense of Dormio here as well.
DNA starts the Shalako wagon with good points. It's a very strong attack but if scum were looking to bus then I guess this would be the time to do it? Feels like he could have done it earlier considering how much he scumread Shalako earlier. Maybe a late wagon would have less time to gather support with other people having townreads on Shalako? A votecount shows Shalako had one vote with 3 other 2 vote wagons.
About here the Shalako wagon picks up and Shalako starts spilling bullshit all over the thread and votes Bard.
At this point I started skimming hard and I cut everything out of this post because I doubt anyone is reading it and it pretty much became IIOA.
So I'll just summarize my conclusions.
Both Dan and DNA have pretty decent positions on the scum wagons. I don't think the slight differences in D2/D3 are telling, although DNA going back and forth between sky and other options fits a scum agenda better, marginally, since scum dont want to be left with one player with jailer and doc still alive.
I think the main thing that I keep coming back to is that Dan isn't a hard busser as scum and I find it hard to believe he would go after all his buddies like he did. His most recent game on MS had him parking on derptown all game. The only thing worrying is that Dan seems kinda passive in this LYLO but yeah, I'm leaning DNA as the last mafia right now. Sorry BT if this gives you short shrift but I think Dan's play here is within his town play and your entry is typical unreadable replacement for me, so I'm going off of that plus DNA's interactions being more likely to fit the scumteam than Dan's, plus stuff like Bard's wagon of Dormio D1.
As for roles, I'd guess JOAT drone giver with other abilities and maybe stuff like rolecop attached to the drones.
FWIW I don't think Dan!scum necessarily had to use a commuter N1. It's a likely possibility but since we don't know what other roles would be in a JOAT there could be something better.
This took way too long but yeah. We do have an extension though so feel free to make me doubt myself all over again!
