Author Topic: FTL: Faster Then Light: Advanced Mafia (Sector 4, Scrapping Cycle) (Read 115317 times)

Serela · « **Reply #960 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:15:30 AM »

I'm not even entirely sure what the hypothetical is though D;

In any case, about my meta of doing stuff like this; it's been a long time but I've definitely done SILLY THINGS IN THE NAMES OF ROLE SHENANIGANS before *coughs*

When you are Serela, nothing is sacred, it is all the now, and you must stop at nothing!

...remember that time I was Kyuubey in Villains Anonymaf and started playing like a serial killer with my contracts because I decided if I killed everyone other than me then town couldn't lose? >_>

DNAbc · « **Reply #961 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:52:13 AM »

I am still not sure what is the appropriate response aside from, 'what the fuck, Serela'

DNAbc · « **Reply #962 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:53:45 AM »

Anyway, Serela does seem townish enough, but we only have two lynchables anyway so w/e

Let's just decide on someone and end the day.

Patorikku · « **Reply #963 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:55:51 AM »

Well, after my argument got trumped by some easily observable facts that I didn't observe, I'm back to thinking Dorian's probably scum, so I'm more than willing to take that road. If it's not him, we can lynch Serela or Dan tomorrow.

##Target Dorian

DNAbc · « **Reply #964 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:12:50 AM »

##Unvote
##vote Dorian

DNAbc · « **Reply #965 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:13:30 AM »

##Unvote

DNAbc · « **Reply #966 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:13:49 AM »

Wait what are votals

DNAbc · « **Reply #967 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:26:52 AM »

Dorian is at L-1, including my vote

But since in the case Dorian is scum selfhammer won't do him any good.

And if he isn't well just lynch whoever quickhammered.

Yeah let's stop wasting words and get to the point.

##Vote Dorian

Serela · « **Reply #968 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:41:32 AM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on July 28, 2015, 03:26:52 AM

And if he isn't well just lynch whoever quickhammered.

Yeah let's stop wasting words and get to the point.

it's not really scummy quickhammering if we're going "yeah let's just lynch him already" :V

Conqueror · « **Reply #969 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:40:16 AM »

If you don't mind, I'd prefer it if we didn't rush to lynch Dorian. I've yet to catch up fully and I'm too tired to catch up today. I also need to check to see if early game interactions work with Dorian as scum with Sky and Bard. We also have yet to figure out what actually happened last night.

Shadoweh, do you mind saying who you protected last night?

Patorikku · « **Reply #970 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:43:15 AM »

##Unvote

I suppose it'd be best to milk out as much info as we can first, in case Dorian doesn't flip scum.

DNAbc · « **Reply #971 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:49:44 AM »

That's alot of reading, so good luck.

My understanding of what happened last night, as per claims.

Dan commuted.
I droned Dan, fail. Confirm it on next votecount.
Serela targetted Dan for vengekill, fail
Dorian jailed Patrorikku, success
Shadoweh protected conq

DNAbc · « **Reply #972 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:58:20 AM »

I also feel that town is more likely to have its own jailer rather than another sourced kill now that I think about it.

And Serela's reasoning was pretty shoddy anyway now that I am more awake and can think about it while not being pissed, since its basically the same things I attacked him for before and he vehemently denied, the 180 degrees change of heart seems to come out of the left field and pretty forced.

DNAbc · « **Reply #973 on:** July 28, 2015, 05:08:11 AM »

Quote from: Selery on July 27, 2015, 05:50:13 PM

-I looked at the playerlist and went "Wait... Patorikku... DNA... scum aren't terrified of losing an NK to Shadoweh because it won't make the game last any extra days now... in fact, it'd even make things worse for me if she did. They also now would desperately need my mislynch if they were hoping to win at all, and nk'ing me would probably be like giving up unless it's someone ultra unlikely."

-I have realized that even trying to terrify the mafia into killing me can no longer work because they probably can't afford to kill me, and have lots of more obvious kills and don't have any good reasons to go for me even if I'm not at Shadoweh doc risk.

-They no longer have roleblocks to decide wasting on me for safety. (As I said before, even if I could just tempt them into wasting a roleblock on me, the shenanigans would have been worth it.) My role is useless already.

Before that,

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on July 27, 2015, 01:16:11 PM

Including myself, we currently has 4 confirmed townies, and scum is definitely just going to kill those exclusively. There's literally no reason now why would you still be insistent and not release information now. Especially since I now have a useful result that could confirm others claim of what they did.

That's either an incredibly self centred, selfish and Serela, which I don't see as likely as a scum!Serela who's worried about his role not fitting and decided to bull his way and bloat it beyond proportion.

Scumreading Serela

And Serela blew a fuse when reading that post too, so I am pretty sure he did digest that information. Serela, what made you suddenly capable of trusting us when you have failed to do so the whole game? (And the night before that too)

Conqueror · « **Reply #974 on:** July 28, 2015, 05:48:11 AM »

Also @NNR, please put a deadline timer in the votecount

@DNA Re: another jailer vs another nightkill. Tbh neither of them make much sense as roles, which is why I feel like pursuing the role logic of "which is less likely to be in the setup" might bite us in the ass. So I'll have to do my rereading tomorrow.

For Dorian, the question is whether NNR decided that it would be a good idea to give scum a fakeclaim that wasn't a fakeclaim, or if Dorian decided to counterclaim jailer and bus for cred.

Serela would be an activated PGO that only works against scum I guess? This is probably the closest thing to a functional vanilla in this setup, with an enormous amount of swing if it activates.

Quote from: Selery on July 27, 2015, 06:57:29 PM

The idea was the other guys were likely doc targets (and since the mafia rb did end up dying, they couldn't stop her) and also that, whilst I didn't really think there was a high chance of me-death last night, it might happen sometime by the end of the game if we got a mislynch or two (two being probably lylo, but I'd still be the bomb that could mess up scum's lylo win)

Quote from: Selery on July 27, 2015, 06:04:46 PM

I'd still have forced scum to NK me over someone who isn't mislynchable, but yeah, way too late to try to do anything like that.

Serela, I don't believe you thought he would be a kill priority target for a second. :V I think I could have bought the rest of your explanation for not claiming (drawing roleblocks etc.) but c'mon Serela, really? Doc Vig Cop Tracker all on the table already, what mystery super powerful role were you even expecting scum to try and kill you for?

DNAbc · « **Reply #975 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:12:34 AM »

Serely is claiming vengeful, which means basically if the vig shot him (or get redirected),it will too trigger his vengeful to kill another person, which, as you have said, could theoretically produce an enormous amount of swing provided scum hit goes through+vengekilled townie+vigkilled vengeful townie. Which, provided it happens N1 with a mislynched townie, would start off the game as a 5v3, instant LyLo on D2, and if this happens N2 and after, well, instant game ender.

It really depends on if the mod believes such a possibility can be overlooked, and with Vig being usually liable to blowing their load N1, while redirector having unlimited usage, I personally wouldn't dare to put them in the same game.

Just food for thought.
Like...not really likely, but I seriously doubt if modding will overlook that kind of possibility.

DNAbc · « **Reply #976 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:20:54 AM »

Meanwhile if Dorian is indeed the day JoaT he claimed to be, he should be more reluctant to blind jail since he does have other abilities to entertain himself with, and jailing is a much less swingy role anyway. So I would be inclined to trust his claim more.

That and Serela has been pretty much been jumping very questionable logical hoops and being ridiculous, overrreacting to Dorian's very brief accusation which I don't really feel Serela has to be so worked up over, so...I really don't know? Now that I put the facts on the table I probably want to lynch Serela first.

##Unvote

DNAbc · « **Reply #977 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:24:21 AM »

Also I realize I have switched votes around like an ADHD patient, but I honestly don't really care now since that we basically solved the game.

\_(ツ)_/

Patorikku · « **Reply #978 on:** July 28, 2015, 06:28:25 AM »

I wouldn't worry about jumping wagons so hard. I've been doing basically the same. :V

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #979 on:** July 28, 2015, 07:59:52 AM »

Battlemap Update 1
Serela (1): Dorian
Dorian (2): Serela, Patorikku
Out of Combat: Conq, Shadoweh, ActionDan, Darkninja

There are 46 Hours left in the Scrapping Cycle
It takes 4 ships to destroy another ship.

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@Mod Can last remianing scum use their factional kill along with any abilities the same night?

Maybe!

Dorian White · « **Reply #980 on:** July 28, 2015, 10:33:18 AM »

Well, if you insist that information of my flip would help town to win, have it your way.
We can afford enough mislynches but I would actually feel more comfortable with it if you wouldn't assume me employing strategy that requires me to forget my brain at work around day2.

I know it's wine but I'm lost right now, so allow me to open that bottle for you.

Day2: Why exactly have I decided to bus the Roleblocker, that went mostly unnoticed so far, over the Governor, that were about to get outed on his own account?

Night2: Why did I went, ?Oh well, um ? I don't know.? instead of, ?Governor means he's scum after all, let try to lynch him again.?? Knowing that another lynch attempt would only lead into the disaster repeating itself and giving me at least a bit of busing credit when he flips somehow.

Day3: I guess the Shadoweh case would befit scum me, but why going out of my way to counter claim my last buddy when I think he had the better chance to work around the town roles at night, just aside from the fact that I'm apparently forgot which save claim he had.
Seriously, it would not even be hard to get me lynched on purpose that day, just a good push against DNA after the blocked Shadoweh vote and I would have been the talk of the town.

And finally day4: I'm the last scum and I have nothing to lose. So why do I push Serela when it get me PoE'ed the next day? Why not take it easy keep it low and try to make use of my supposed busing credit?

I know that wouldn't convince anyone but if you really have to lynch me then come up with a something that at least looks like a ?realistic? reason and not a plain insult.

I'm out for work now.

DNAbc · « **Reply #981 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:04:35 AM »

Quote from: Dorian White on July 28, 2015, 10:33:18 AM

Day3: I guess the Shadoweh case would befit scum me, but why going out of my way to counter claim my last buddy when I think he had the better chance to work around the town roles at night, just aside from the fact that I'm apparently forgot which save claim he had.
Seriously, it would not even be hard to get me lynched on purpose that day, just a good push against DNA after the blocked Shadoweh vote and I would have been the talk of the town.

This is an interaction I overlooked though.

I think the reason why most are feeling kinda apathetic right now is because; 1.game cracked, 2.delayed day start which results in 3. Bored players.

@Mod: hey can we end the night earlier once all night actions are in and all players agree? Scum can answer in his qt.

Because I will have work stuff to do next week which means no time for mafia and I will probably need someone to sub in. Provided this doesn't end already.

DNAbc · « **Reply #982 on:** July 28, 2015, 11:11:11 AM »

But Dorian, since you wanted a response, allow me to note that provided both of you were scum, that kind of bussing is within reason because in whichever case one of you were likely getting lynched yesterday. At that time, you two cc'ing eachother to bus for cred is a legit strategy.

That 'bus roleblocker' argument applies to me and towncleared me was because I have been townie obvtown, am already under no pressure from Lynches and am the major pusher on both wagons. In my case, I have a well justified choice on lynching whichever of you as I so desire. If you assume I am scum, that would mean I literally killed my teammate for no reason, which is notably more unreasonable compared with you pulling a desperate bus. So its a matter of context, basically.

Serela · « **Reply #983 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:36:36 PM »

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Serela, what made you suddenly capable of trusting us when you have failed to do so the whole game?

You continue to be unable to understand me z.z It has LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUST, and literally ONLY HAS TO DO WITH TRYING TO USE MY ROLE TO HELP TOWN.

I don't need a quote for the next one, but you still prove you can't read my posts, because my vengekill ONLY TARGETS THE PERSON WHO KILLED ME, so no, I can't made d2 lylo by killing a townie. It can also only activate if I correctly target the person who killed me that night. It's almost impossible to use outside of endgame.

You also continue to be bad at reading because we've been talking about SkyPal's rolepm explicitly saying Town does not have access to jailer skills. This could theoretically be wrong, but is a pretty good reason to lynch Dorian over me. >_>

Serela · « **Reply #984 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:37:34 PM »

(okay, technically I can make d2 lylo, but it requires the vig to vig me on n1 whilst I target them)

Serela · « **Reply #985 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:42:10 PM »

Quote from: Dorian

Night2: Why did I went, ?Oh well, um ? I don't know.? instead of, ?Governor means he's scum after all, let try to lynch him again.?? Knowing that another lynch attempt would only lead into the disaster repeating itself and giving me at least a bit of busing credit when he flips somehow.

Because the latter would be an incredibly strange response and also needlessly hard-bussing? o.o When someone is lynchproof the reaction is not usually "oh, so they ARE scum!"

Serela · « **Reply #986 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:46:54 PM »

I've been in this position as scum and playing all the "but if I was scum I totally wouldn't do X, Y, and Z!" cards but that stuff totally just happens when you're scum, and also tends to make more sense when you have all the information instead of limited-info town.

And that n2 reason makes so little sense it doesn't help me believe it's coming from a town-sourced thought process. Whhhhhhy would you want to keep bussing Shalako as scum after he was lynchproof? That's like, a free ticket to 180 a read on him and think he's probably town and have a decent chance of him surviving for awhile, or forever.

DNAbc · « **Reply #987 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:47:09 PM »

Dude Serela you are the one who is continuously proving you can't read my stuff in the first place while accusing I am not reading your stuff. Serious?

DNAbc · « **Reply #988 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:59:17 PM »

Since the meat of your posts continue to be irrelevant I am just gonna trim it to the stuff I want to actually address.
[quote author=Selery link=topic=18658.msg1202143#msg1202143 date=1438090596
You also continue to be bad at reading because we've been talking about SkyPal's rolepm explicitly saying Town does not have access to jailer skills. This could theoretically be wrong, but is a pretty good reason to lynch Dorian over me. >_>
[/quote]
That really depends on how the wording goes and what lengths the mod would go to allow rolegaming. But seeing that the game has a pretty ambiguous intention anyway from the kickoff (you are encouraged to use flavor, but flavorgaming is modkill, you are given lots of weird roles that should interact with other players' and give you useful information, but to actually use roles to get a hardconfirm is prohibited), I wouldnt bank on it being useful.

DNAbc · « **Reply #989 on:** July 28, 2015, 01:59:48 PM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on July 28, 2015, 01:59:17 PM

Since the meat of your posts continue to be irrelevant I am just gonna trim it to the stuff I want to actually address.
Quote from: Selery on July 28, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
You also continue to be bad at reading because we've been talking about SkyPal's rolepm explicitly saying Town does not have access to jailer skills. This could theoretically be wrong, but is a pretty good reason to lynch Dorian over me. >_>

That really depends on how the wording goes and what lengths the mod would go to allow rolegaming. But seeing that the game has a pretty ambiguous intention anyway from the kickoff (you are encouraged to use flavor, but flavorgaming is modkill, you are given lots of weird roles that should interact with other players' and give you useful information, but to actually use roles to get a hardconfirm is prohibited), I wouldnt bank on it being useful.