Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.

[Drake]

reimu always jumps to conclusions and often is right just because she's reimu

[andykhang]

She's become less right nowaday though. Fail to guess the plot of a mystery novel, fail to catch Kasen,... It's look like she's prettty stressed out to be carefree.

[Failure McFailFace]

Well, kind of the point of the A-types is that their tools have been slowly turning into tsukumogami due to the Mallet's magic. The magic corrupted them, and by using them it slowly corrupted the player as well, hence why they were all bloodthirsty. That's all it's referring to.

The above post in the Questions thread makes me wonder if any artist has recognized the fact that the A shots are getting their weapons turned into tsukumogami. It would be interesting to see a doujin with these humanized weapons.

[Tengukami]

reimu always jumps to conclusions and often is right just because she's reimu

I have a theory about this.

If you were, say, a police detective, and the incidents were crimes, you would likely start regarding it as very suspicious that this one person gets these hunches out of the blue that turn out to be right. I think Reimu, with all the pressure that's on her, has learned to deal with the stress by disassociation. We see one side of her; the dutiful protagonist who, while not crazy about having to handle incidents, does her job because it's her job. The Reimu we don't see, however, is the one who works behind the scenes to make the incidents happen in the first place. Why? Because otherwise she'd be sweeping leaves every day and little else. Reimu is unaware of this side to her, though, which is why she always acts so annoyed by the incidents she causes, even though her hidden side instigates them to break up the monotony of her daily life.

This is all pure conjecture with zero evidence to back it up. I'm just saying: if I were a cop, I'd be taking a real close look at Reimu.

[andykhang]

I would think of it as an interesting theory, if it weren't for the fact that in order for it to work, she must be able to riled up the vamp, causing fear to the Alien, planting discord into the Lunarian for the second Genso-Luna war, and pretty much thousand others that would make her a second Yukari.

...And then I found it even more interesting, damn it.

[TresserT]

From what I understand, Reimu's intuition is just a part of her natural abilities. Something about being one with the universe or something. The same way her homing amulets move in a straight line from her perspective, and she's just moving in one direction when she teleports.

And to some degree, her faked displeasure from incidents is canon. Youkai have to cause fear to exist, which is why Gensokyo is a thing. The whole point of the spell card rules is "youkai cause an incident to cause fear, human solves it, but no one gets hurt this way". If Reimu didn't solve incidents the balance would be upset and Gensokyo would collapse. And Reimu's shown more than once to care a lot about the balance in Gensokyo. (Though her indirectly being the starter of individual incidents maybe not so much)

[Shadowlupus]

Speaking of youkai and their need of human fear. I just think of a simple horrifying plot.

Suppose that some youkai had found a way to recreate Hourai Elixir without Kaguya's and Eirin's ability. Then, they captured several humans from the human village and imbued them with the elixir, making them unable to die. Now, even if the humans are immortal, they are still helpless against youkai. However, for youkai, immortal humans are essentially their free food supply of fear since youkai need humans alive in order for them to exist. Now, they can scare or even kill the humans without consequences since they will revive anyway. Then, the same youkai started to make a deal between several other youkai, promising them a free endless source of fear. Thus, many youkai joined them, breaking the whole spell card rules.

That would make an interesting plot if this was Canon.

[PK]

It would probably backfire horribly. Not being able to die would mean that after you get killed a few times, you realize they can't do anything more and you stop caring (look at Mokou). Heck, since hourai people can create a body wherever and whenever they want, you can't even trap them. This would make humans stop fearing anything, especially if they start learning various magic to fight back.

Edit: oN the other hand, it would work perfectly for gods, or youkai that only need belief (fairies, probably magicians, tsukumogami)

I wonder what happens if the youkai used the elixir instead? Their souls (which is their core) would be eternal, meaning they'd keep existing with no need of human fear.

[Hello Purvis]

Why wouldn't the youkai just use the elixir on themselves and skip out the middleman, if they're gonna game the system?

(Which all presupposes they can make one, which is sort of like presupposing that Doric Era Greece go throw together a fusion reactor)

[the old guy]

Eirin would reverse engineer a anti-hourai elixir to take their immortality away.

Bam, mystery solved.

And if your wondering why she doesn't do this on Mokou, that's because Kaguya would be too bored without an rival to fight.

[Jeremie]

Eirin took the elixir herself too though. And she herself killed Lunarian emissaries to help Kaguya escape. I don't think she personally has any ideological beliefs whatsoever. She's more like a mad scientist who does things simply to prove that she can. Tsukuyomi wanted to live in a world free of kegare, so she helped him get the moon. Kaguya wanted to see an elixir of immortality, so she made one for her. Kaguya wants to live on Earth, a world full of kegare, and Eirin makes that happen.

I mean, she clearly feels guilt towards Kaguya or she never would have done any of this in the first place, but you have to remember that Eirin is a fugitive from the moon, and for good reason. You can't really use her as an example of how the standard Lunarian thinks. Heck, even just based on your own arugment just now, Eirin's the one who wanted to kill Urashima Taro to protect the secrecy of the moon (ie: kill to live; the Watatsukis wanted to send him back alive). Eirin's kind of... a sociopath.

I saw that in the question topic and I couldn't help but think Eirin's mindset behind these actions but mainly through a different point of view. Would someone like that even allow Urashima Taro to get a chance to die a fulfilling death? He's just a human from an impure world after all so it could be more or less seen as an act of compassion. If she had no loyalty to the Watatsuki sisters, wouldn't she make the knowledge of what happened known? It's also hard in term of a different viewpoint to see Eirin's murder of the emissaries as an unjust thing seeing how Kaguya wanted to stay on Earth. While Eirin having the traits of a mad scientist is something that can't really be argued which means she could genuinely be doing this for the sake of SCIENCE(!) while also be sorry for what happened to Kaguya, a lot of her actions throughout the series seems to paint her as a kind character for the most part.

Reisen's treatment is a bit hard to take fully seriously when it's been almost (if not always, even in FS) shown exclusively in a comedic way. It's obvious she gets punished but Reisen's actions that leads to this tends to be comical too and the rabbit has her moments where she's full of herself. As brought up before too, there's the whole thing about her name. Reading it again really makes it feel like it can be taken under different/multiple interpretations unless it's one of those mistranslation sort of thing. Eirin's actions seems to paint her as a mad scientist and a harsh teacher but she seems to show a lot of kindness too.

[Shizzo]

There's this really odd thing that I always forget about when fighting Alice in PCB.  Right after her first spellcard she just... fires a sort-of-nonspell but then instantly clears it (before the bullets even reach you!) and goes straight for her second spellcard.

Did ZUN ever comment on that particular thing anyway?  Is it some sort of bug or just some fancy pre-spellcard intro, I wonder.

[TresserT]

IIRC, there was originally a nonspell there in the demo, but it sucked so much that it was scrapped in the full game. I don't know why ZUN didn't scrap the entire thing- maybe to keep the music synchronized?

[Chill Observer]

Music can never be synchronized in the boss fight, though. Killing speeds are always different.

Besides, the non-spell after it uses that exact same attack at some point.

[Clarste]

I saw that in the question topic and I couldn't help but think Eirin's mindset behind these actions but mainly through a different point of view. Would someone like that even allow Urashima Taro to get a chance to die a fulfilling death? He's just a human from an impure world after all so it could be more or less seen as an act of compassion. If she had no loyalty to the Watatsuki sisters, wouldn't she make the knowledge of what happened known? It's also hard in term of a different viewpoint to see Eirin's murder of the emissaries as an unjust thing seeing how Kaguya wanted to stay on Earth. While Eirin having the traits of a mad scientist is something that can't really be argued which means she could genuinely be doing this for the sake of SCIENCE(!) while also be sorry for what happened to Kaguya, a lot of her actions throughout the series seems to paint her as a kind character for the most part.

Reisen's treatment is a bit hard to take fully seriously when it's been almost (if not always, even in FS) shown exclusively in a comedic way. It's obvious she gets punished but Reisen's actions that leads to this tends to be comical too and the rabbit has her moments where she's full of herself. As brought up before too, there's the whole thing about her name. Reading it again really makes it feel like it can be taken under different/multiple interpretations unless it's one of those mistranslation sort of thing. Eirin's actions seems to paint her as a mad scientist and a harsh teacher but she seems to show a lot of kindness too.

I would say she has a "tribal" mindset where she truly cares for those close to her, but wouldn't even bat an eye at hurting or killing anyone who isn't. It's not that she can't be close to people, but that she has no concept or mercy or compassion for strangers. She's not a sadist, she's just coldhearted. I mean, she let Urashima Taro go alive (and it wasn't a fufilling life, btw, she took his whole family and life away from him by putting him back in the future) simply because Toyohime asked her to. It wasn't a mercy towards him, it was yet again just a clever way of fulfilling someone else's request. Which, as I said, is the same way she seems to treat founding the Lunar Capital for Tsukuyomi and creating the Hourai Elixir for Kaguya. She assigns no moral value to it whatsoever, it's just a challenge for her.

[Shadowlupus]

OMG! Touhou was featured in Watchmojo's channel video titled "Top 10 Freakiest Video Game Children"

https://twitter.com/gensokyo_babes/status/815965222653620224

Touhou has hijacked Watchmojo channel! How did I not noticed this since October!?

"Flandre Scarlett" tho, and Touhou has officially ended in 2014, folks.

[legwan-w-spioszkach]

I've been thinking recently about how Touhous would look as Furries.
I've decided on that Reimu would be a tan Shiba Inu.
It bugs me how she would look as shiba. Why? I barely can imagine her face, which means I can't draw her well as a dog.

<trump voice>Sad.</voice>

[PK]

So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release. My first thought was about hourai immortals, then i searched "Immortal cupbearer" and learned about Ganymede made the "Immortal cupbearer" of the gods by Zeus. Probably overthinking it, but now with Hecatia already out i think it's legit to expect more greek stuff on the way.

[Sedrife]

Speaking of Hourai Elixir, it's possible only on Marisa to actually damage Eirin while she's using [Hourai Elixir] spell card.

Someone tried to see whether it was possible to beat this spell card without time-out using this mechanism: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14753859

According to ZUN, this was intentional setup rather it being a bug: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Yoyo/1736/t-091.html

So it leads me to think that other buggy gimmicks in the game are intentional as well, like Alice's non-spell that gets instantly cleared out.

[andykhang]

So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release. My first thought was about hourai immortals, then i searched "Immortal cupbearer" and learned about Ganymede made the "Immortal cupbearer" of the gods by Zeus. Probably overthinking it, but now with Hecatia already out i think it's legit to expect more greek stuff on the way.

Oh GOD, NOT THE SERIAL RAPIST. If he there, he better be a cute girl to wash my tastebud, or get kicked in the ass by Heca-san

[snowflake247]

So i read a theme called "Fantasia Immortal Cupbearer" is going to be in a new release.

Could you give more information about this, such as: Do you mean it's going to be in an official Touhou release? Something fanmade? Something other than Touhou? If you mean a new Touhou release, did you hear it from a reputable source or someplace like /jp/? (Sorry for so many questions; this sounds pretty interesting but your wording was kind of ambiguous)

[Drake]

I can bet this is a kinda bad translation of 「仙酌絶唱のファンタジア」.

This is a pretty unique song celebrating Touhou's 20th anniversary and created for Hakurei Jinja Uta Matsuri 2016, a Reitaisai-sponsored live event where a bunch of different circles perform(ed). The song is a collab between Alstroemeria Records, A-One, Kishida Kyoudan & The Akeboshi Rockets (prev. Studio K2), COOL&CREATE, Buta-Otome, and Yuuhei Satellite; ZUN titled the song itself. It's present in a bunch of different rhythm games now.

In any case I'm not sure where such a rumor started but I believe it's referring to this somehow, but filtered through a series of errors.

[andykhang]

...A bit disappointed, but thank for the clarity. Glad that I don't have to see that mug though.

[PK]

Ah, nevermind then :v

Also, per ZUN's tweet, this time the usual nikenme radio is/was today rather than the end of the month, right?

[N-Forza]

Yes, it was today. I don't think he mentioned anything important (judging by a simple sweep of Twitter) beyond confirming he will release something at Reitaisai and maybe at Comiket.

[Drake]

Yes, it was today. I don't think he mentioned anything important (judging by a simple sweep of Twitter) beyond confirming he will release something at Reitaisai and maybe at Comiket.

Notably, given that back in November ZUN implied he was working on a new game, and given his usual ~four-month dev cycle, Reitaisai would be the expected time to release a demo (or perhaps the thing itself, if a side-game).

He also said more generally that this year he wants to do a bunch of different things.

[PK]

VFiS 5: Nice to see

Spoiler:

Eiki and Komachi back after all this time (Komachi had it better with WaHH, tho)

. And Eirin's smugness is gold.

FS 47:

Spoiler:

Mamizou finally exposed. Maybe the focus will change to another youkai group after the tengu and the tanuki?

[the old guy]

The above was referring to the latest chapters of VFiS and HS btw,

[Lt Colonel Summers]

Is it just me, or do Reimu's hair ribbon look like cat ears when seen from a certain perspective?
I mean, I remember one occasion in a canon work where her ribbon drooped down as though they were ears...

[Romantique Tp]

If anything it looks like a butterfly in pretty much every drawing of her by ZUN.