Puzzle and Dragons Thread 22 - A chocolate brand collaborated with this game??

[commandercool]

Speaking of GZL, my mask rates are 1/12 green masks between last week and today so far. Fuuuuuck meeee. I just need ONE SKILLUP. Also zero black divine masks in all that, which I need like ten of.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

It's not like 9x is necessarily weak though either. Certainly below par for today's meta, but totally valid. Especially if supplemented with Draggie for desperate situations (Though GZL + Liu Bei may be also good if there are enemies with stupid high def like fatty.)

[commandercool]

I think 9x with prongs is valid. I'm comparing him to Verdandi since that's my frame of reference.

Verd/LB/GZL/Cu Chu/Susano/Verd is 9-11x with 10 prongs and two attackers.

Susano/LB/GZL/Sasuke/Verd/Susano is 9x with 11 prongs and three attackers.

I can't do the math on how the effective HP and recovery compare right mow, but Susano has less orbchanges and a lower modifier for better relative HP and recovery, more prongs, and arguably more flexible subs. Plus other factors like Susano's haste and extra skillboosts versus Verd's extra enhances and locks.

[Janitor Morgan]

Susano/Susano/Draggie/Zeal/Generate Earth Dragon/Susano, IMO.

Wood Dragon-type defense reducers if you need them...are mini GZL and Top Droidragon, so pick one. :V If you don't care if they're wood or not, you've got Awoken Minerva and R/L or Awoken Kagutsuchi.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

What I would likely be running is:
Susano/Susano/Liu Bei/AMei/AParv or GZL or Draggie

Or just straight up:
Susano/AMei/Liu Bei/GZL/AParv or something like that.

One is hyper bulky, the other is hard hitting. But rdj's idea is legit too. I would worry about the lack of RCV though. Perhaps drop GED or Zeal for Odin?

[The Greatest Dog]

the whole idea of Susano reviving green dragon by virtue of Green Physical -not- being a thing is silly, but you take what you can get, right?

It's not like Green Dragon doesn't have a bunch of stuff already. It's just, nobody uses Liu Bei for his Dragon type, and they needed a solid leader to bring everything together.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

It just so happens that ASusano's massive bulk and defense makes Draggie actually viable, so why wouldn't you use it? Green dragon is pretty sparse but has a handful of great subs to work with if you can gather them all.

[Janitor Morgan]

But rdj's idea is legit too. I would worry about the lack of RCV though. Perhaps drop GED or Zeal for Odin?

Yeah, the RCV is an issue since Draggie doesn't have any at base. With plusses RCV would be more manageable, but I'd probably drop GED for GOdin if I had trouble staying healed, yeah.

[commandercool]

I'm anti-Draggie (and anti-triple Susano) because it leads to teams with terrifyingly low numbers of orbchanges. Maybe that's offset by bulk and I'm just being picky, but I don't like it.

Forgot about AMei though. Just replace Verd with her on all of my proposed builds. She just makes the attacker build that much more appealing in my opinion.

Edit: And obviously GZL on an attacker-bases build is also contributing to the orbchange deficit, but he pukks weight on turns that his active isn't being used too, which seems like a more effective use of your very limited slots. And I suppose his defemse break is a little extra utility too.

[OverlordChirei]

it leads to teams with terrifyingly low numbers of orbchanges

Problems?

Also Verdandi was never used during the run oops

[Janitor Morgan]

Didn't have anything else I wanted to do today, so decided I'd work on leveling a few things for ~*~not very secret projects~*~. Also featuring some Athena-related blasphemy.

[Thaws]

Three Susano is close to being 4/9/4 with the AS loop going though, Skill binds aside.

As for the orb changer thing, remember that the susano's hastes, so 5cd skills are effectively 4cd, and 8cd double orb changers are effectively 6cd.
He seems really potent as both lead and sub right now :V

[hyorinryu]

Three Susano is close to being 4/9/4 with the AS loop going though, Skill binds aside.

As for the orb changer thing, remember that the susano's hastes, so 5cd skills are effectively 4cd, and 8cd double orb changers are effectively 6cd.
He seems really potent as both lead and sub right now :V

It's probably worth looking into Perseus as a sub then.

[commandercool]

Three Susano is close to being 4/9/4 with the AS loop going though, Skill binds aside.

As for the orb changer thing, remember that the susano's hastes, so 5cd skills are effectively 4cd, and 8cd double orb changers are effectively 6cd.
He seems really potent as both lead and sub right now :V

Yeah fair enough, you changed my mind. God, haste is a dumb mechanic. Still not sure I would run three Susanos myself (I mean, I can't because I just have one), but that does make Draggie a lot more appealing even with just two Susanos.

[trancehime]

this took a couple of tries but i managed to pull off the 1-turn-kill on BMeta (who pre-emptively binds leads for 2 turns)

Summer REM announced for NA starting 8/17, no sign of MP shop anywhere. Welp.

Awoken Orochi, first Quad TPA card in the game

[Chaore]

>actually doing this

Yeah, okay. I'm done. I quit PAD.

Bye folks.

[trancehime]

Yep, EU rep outright admit they can't make it during the summer event. I can't say I couldn't see it coming, the timing and inherent shadiness behind putting Claire into the Beach REM made it pretty clear this was a huge possibility. It's a huge blow to their consumer base and I really want to know how this is going to be addressed.

Like how do you expect to maintain customer retention if you keep pulling shit like this??

[Chaore]

Like how do you expect to maintain customer retention if you keep pulling shit like this??

The fact the playerbase is dumb as bricks and never properly speaks about it.

Almost every post on NA right now is 'YAY I'M GOING TO WASTE ALL MY STONES', half the people don't seem to be aware mp exists

i'm really angry because not only are they doing this, i've only seen one or two people rallying against it and it's likely they'll get away with it

[Mr. Sacchi]

Wow, as if I didn't have enough reason to not roll on this REM already.

[Dorakyura]

Were is the problem. The dropchance to get Claire is horrible anyway.
If they have her in the MP shop, then I don't see a reason to hate it. (they will earn a shitstorm if she is not available, since we will most likely get the MP shop after the summer event)
Also, at least we get the summer event during summer 

[trancehime]

Lots of big shit being dropped,

2M Murako Followers give us new ULT Survey.

Green MP Dragon is Odin Dragon,

http://pad.gungho.jp/member/150813_newmonster_mp.html

AS = 50% HP heal, 5 turn bind clear, 1 turn haste
LS = God type ATK/RCV x1.5, reduced damage taken by 80%? when at full HP

Awakes: 2x autoheal, 2x bind resist, skill boost.
Additional awakes on UVO: 4x autoheal (total of 6)

Heroes buffs:

ATK multiplier remains x4, but activation is 4 orbs instead of 6

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Well, it's not the worst thing NA has done to us. I suspect that if Claire will be in the MP rotation at all she'll be the first one instead of Shiva Dragon if they want it to be even remotely close to summer so she's in-season. But nah, what with having us almost 8-5-3 months behind on various content, being perpetually fucked out of the best collabs (because those are game-changing whether people like to admit it or not)-- regardless of the licensing issue, we're still screwed out of them-- and the ones we do get are the pointless ones, and with JP just being treated way better in general while NA is forever going to be a watered-down version of the game, this is just the delicate sting after a huge perpetual slap in the face.

I'm annoyed but I'm not going to dwell on it.

I was considering throwing a little money into the event otherwise (because wow dang you're really updating the game fast if you're putting out PAD Island because that means we'd have to be up to JP's version software-wise! I can and would support that even if descends and ults are still way behind) but now they've made sure they're not getting a fucking penny though. They ruin an event to push it out as soon as possible but drag their feet so hard on giving updates that JP has already had for 5-8 months? Fuck that. PAD really is a whale's game, because they're the ones supporting this bullshit. My non-IAP resolve remains. You vote with your wallets, people. I would really wish this is the point where the NA playerbase collectively puts their foot down and refuses to spend money on PAD until they start changing for the better, but it just makes them want to spend harder. She's more exclusive now! Gotta get her to make everyone else jealous. Time to throw your money away on 50+ rolls, right?

Awoken Orochi is intriguing, but how does 4 tpa stack with the 3 tpa meta when his atk is so low? And his new AS is lame and uncreative,though more practical than the original, I guess. 15 turns for 4 turn delay is more practical than 20 for 5 but it's a great big bubpy sink for such a small change. I was personally hoping for a 15 turn 3 delay with 2 haste or something.

Heroes getting upgraded is nice. Allowing them to get 3 rows in at 16x is great. Shame I don't really use any of them as leaders anymore though.

Odin Dragon looks fucking pointless. The bind clearing is nice but compared to the others he's awful. Should have been Parvati Dragon!

[Sapz]

Anyone know the details on how the new Heroes LSes work? Specifically I'm curious if you still need 8 orbs for the 16x.

Debating spending my stones on godfest part 1 tomorrow, where we've got 3K and Indian 1, both of which seem really good.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

No. It's just a solid 4x for 6 orbs (though the multiplier begins at 4 orbs for 3x, I assume? Or did they lower the damage but make the increment higher per orb?). Which is really nice because it allows you to stack a third row in for WAY more damage. But it also makes it a lot less obtuse to hit their max multiplier and uses fewer orbs. A nice upgrade. Also brings TPA potential if you REALLY want to but I wouldn't suggest it, since that would force you into a lower multiplier instead. But doing a row and a TPA....

Yes, Beach Pandora just got that much better. (If she's affected by the buff, that is.)

[trancehime]

Yes, Beach Pandora just got that much better. (If she's affected by the buff, that is.)

she is affected

[MatsuriSakuragi]

How ridiculously overpowered.

[trancehime]

How ridiculously overpowered.

I don't know if it is x3 -> x4 with 4 to 6 orbs or x2 -> x4 with 4 to 8 orbs.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Well what I mean is Bikinidora herself gets 16x plus 40% plus 2.25x if you do a row and a tpa. And that's not even considering any additional rows the subs would have. It's not necessarily hard to get 10 rows these days, so that'd essentially be 32x for one row and then 2.25x for tpas afterward, which makes her incredibly strong. And if you're short on dark orbs, you can do a water row instead and do a dark tpa and still do big damage.

[trancehime]

Well what I mean is Bikinidora herself gets 16x plus 40% plus 2.25x if you do a row and a tpa. And that's not even considering any additional rows the subs would have. It's not necessarily hard to get 10 rows these days, so that'd essentially be 32x for one row and then 2.25x for tpas afterward, which makes her incredibly strong. And if you're short on dark orbs, you can do a water row instead and do a dark tpa and still do big damage.

Oh, that's true. Bikinidora is beast mode. For real.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Oh, and she's compatible with Lu Bu and King Baddie too.

Congratulations, Pandora. You became even more ridiculously OP.