Author Topic: Filler Mafia - Day 5 (Read 32889 times)

Serela · « **Reply #360 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:51:19 AM »

murrin kinda fell off the planet on d2 so I didn't mention him more after that, I called murrin not strange because for some reason everyone kept saying he WAS, and I was like, huh?

But yeah, like. I can't see anything about Bard that's scummy. But, he could just be scum playing well I guess? There's nothing that yells "this guy is probably town!", like your play today kinda feels like to me. Normally, you use interactions and flips to decide if these people are scum, but because of the no lynches, we don't have that. :T

I think Raitaki is super town but I guess I should reread him tomorrow if the game isn't over. He could be what I just said about Bard, after all! (The issue is exacerbated by replacing in on d3. They get to talk about the entire game at once and look good, and can't be incriminated by earlier game actions and such.)

Anyway I've been holding off on this because I'm not Bard, but Bard/DNA's role is neighborizor and they used it on me n1. So, I've had a little more insight into The Bard than meets the eye. Recalling that DNA was that slot too and his earlygame play, though, I mean, I'd still sooner think they're town than scum. :T There's no way I'd lynch him over Zak today.

Serela · « **Reply #361 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:52:17 AM »

(aka that's why there's weird things between me/bard)

Raitaki · « **Reply #362 on:** June 30, 2015, 03:47:37 AM »

@Oarfish: Well, my Serela case in D3 was based on her somewhat flipflopping on whether to actually lynch CF7 or not, which looked pretty scummy since I was convinced CF7 was scum. It isn't as bad if CF7 is town, though.

No idea why Oarfish went from "I'm don't have anything to say about Zak except that he's prolly not scum since he didn't try to expand the confusion" to "Serela is voting Zak for L-2 and Serela hasn't been Serela but I'm fine with lynch Zak today, on LyLo. #FoS At this point I'm more willing to lynch Oarfish than Zak. I'm kinda tempted to vote Oarfish right now but that means my secondary choice might get to hammer and it'd suck if Oarfish is actually town/scum!Zak gets towncred doing it. Waiting for Bard as well.

Also, wait, doesn't that leave Serela/Oarfish as the only two who could shoot Dormio assuming scum can't simultaneously act and shoot
On the one hand Shadoweh said her role implied they can but on the other hand scum!Serela could have 2 NKs in one night and that'd be ridiculous

Raitaki · « **Reply #363 on:** June 30, 2015, 03:53:50 AM »

"that" = Bard being neighbourizer who targeted Serela N1

Serela · « **Reply #364 on:** June 30, 2015, 04:25:09 AM »

Unless the mod wishes to answer whether or not scum can act+kill I wouldn't let it affect my lynch decision. As for my role, well, either I'm town and it's a non-issue or I'm scum and therefore may be lying, so it'd also probably not be a big deal :V (although it'd be somewhat weird of me to claim that ed2 if I was scum I guess, w/e, not gonna get into it because that shouldn't really matter)

yeah raitaki is town, that spec is just, scum don't think of things like that? (I'm fine with believing in stuff like that because I already thought he was town and stuff like that is the only things there -are- to go on in this particular game)

for me, out of o4rfish, bard, and zak, only one is town, and I really don't think it's zak! I'm goin' to bed you all have fun times, and please remember it's lylo so don't sling your votes around carelessly because you can totally give scum free quickhammers regardless of the fact that me and zak already have votes placed down; that doesn't change scum's ability to quickhammer at -all-. (My vote was quite thought through and certain, and the discussion after only further solidifies my opinion of it)

Serela · « **Reply #365 on:** June 30, 2015, 04:26:12 AM »

also remember deadline is really not that far >_> I mean since I'm about to go to bed that's different, because I'm going to wake up with deadline like 5 hours away, but a lot of people will probably sleep between now and deadline at some point if not all of you

Shadoweh · « **Reply #366 on:** June 30, 2015, 04:41:10 AM »

I'm a Votecounter Now Count Vote:

Bike-huni Zakeri (1): Serela
Serela (1): Bike-huni Zakeri

About 13 hours remain!

Raitaki · « **Reply #367 on:** June 30, 2015, 04:55:04 AM »

Hmm, miscalculated slightly, deadline wouldn't be that long after I wake up tomorrow. ##Vote: Oarfish, then. If Bard shows up before I go to sleep and stops thinking that lynching Oarfish is a good idea for some reason then I'll switch to Zak to secure.

Bardiche · « **Reply #368 on:** June 30, 2015, 09:30:49 AM »

Sorry, had a busy yesterday. I'm catching up, will post soon. Don't lynch Serela.

Bardiche · « **Reply #369 on:** June 30, 2015, 09:46:16 AM »

I honestly remain of an opinion that O4rfish is the scummiest person in this game. O4rfish is a case of actively avoiding doing much. The attack on Sky Paladin and subsequent focus on game mechanics may be friendly, as Sky put it, but I don't think it's Towny: I feel like the 'friendly' assistance with 'figuring out stuff' is an easy way to make your presence known as contributing without actually contributing much to the scumhunt effort.

##Vote: O4rfish
I feel strongest and most certain about this.

confirming that DNA used neighbour on Serela, to my joy.

O4rfish · « **Reply #370 on:** June 30, 2015, 11:33:55 AM »

Question: why didn't you mention the neighborhood until now?

O4rfish · « **Reply #371 on:** June 30, 2015, 12:03:12 PM »

The game is over (for the second time) as soon as Serela logs in.

My teampick is Serela/Rai. Serela is the blandest person, and Rai changed his position on me because of some misrep. Bard's singlemindedness means they could swing the vote to me pretty easily.

O4rfish · « **Reply #372 on:** June 30, 2015, 12:04:06 PM »

Hey Bard, mind describing what Serela said in your neighborhood that makes him so Towny?

Serela · « **Reply #373 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:01:37 PM »

Hi o4rfish, how do you feel about me being confirmed town because I'm not hammering you? >_> The only scumteam -that- fits with is o4rfish/serela and I'm pretty sure you know that's not what it is!

Serela · « **Reply #374 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:05:03 PM »

The fact that a vote has been sitting on me for so long but no one has quicklynched me is also a pretty good pointer that the scum is either me or Zak, IMO

but I guess theoretically it'd be possible scum didn't want to try that w/o both being on at once and they never managed to do that?

Generally though when people are crossvoting in definitely-not-pseudo lylo and neither of them gets quicklynched after a large amount of time, that means one of them is the scum though >_>;;;

Serela · « **Reply #375 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:08:07 PM »

like, I think if Zak was town, scum would decide it's safe enough this close to deadline and with the mood and with no one actually having townreads on Zak that they'd just go ahead and vote him even if they weren't both online at once, it's a very justifiable vote

I think the fact that Zak never died is very telling unless from your PoV you think I might be scum, something that o4rfish now knows cannot be true! (so please vote zak)

Serela · « **Reply #376 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:08:55 PM »

of course, if I keep vote analyzing, the most likely scumteam based purely off that is o4rfish/zak anyway

in which case, lol

but

O4rfish · « **Reply #377 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:24:36 PM »

Well, if Serela is Town, and Serela and Zak crossvoted and neither of them have been hammered yet either, that leaves Zak as confirmed scum.

#Vote: Zakeri

I know Serela is Town, but Serela does not know I am Town, which leaves it up to me to convince one of the two people on my wagon to vote my vote ...
and the other one of them is Scum ...

Serela · « **Reply #378 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:28:36 PM »

I hope my last few posts are fairly convincing to them on that point (it's not even a case, it's just standard lylo meta) if either gets to read it by day end, keeping in mind the second Zakeri shows up, regardless of alignment he's obviously going to hammer o4rfish.

O4rfish · « **Reply #379 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:53:14 PM »

Quote from: O4rfish on June 30, 2015, 12:52:24 AM

Zak/Murrin/Raitaki: Zak didn't mention Murren d1; called him out ld1/ed2 but reversed himself ld2; has hardly mentioned Rai.
Murrin voted Zak pretty strongly on d1, which for a new player almost certainly means they're not a partnership, unless their partner likes to gamble like ActionDan.

Zak/DNA/Bard: Zak called DNA town on d2, but DNA didn't return the favor - countering one of his points on d1, calling him untrustworthy on d2.
On d3 Zak didn't buy into my case on Bard, but Bard called out Zak for being forgettable.
No crossvotes. Could be a team I guess, but I'm not feeling it.

It would be nice if I could ask Skypal whether Murrin might have gambled with a bus.

Bard's singlemindedness is typical of him, so that isn't alignment-indicative. DNA was a lot better than Murrin.
Both Rai and Bard kept their investigative results to themselves.
Bard has just been repeating the same stuff over and over again. I have characterized him as singleminded in the past, but it seems like he would have tried to gather more confirming data for an old case.
Rai has been more expositional about meta and speculation, which I like. Bard's position is that this stuff is easy for Scum to put out in order to seem Town, but my belief is that Scum benefits when scumhunting is obfuscated and therefore clearing the air is helpful to Town.

Serela · « **Reply #380 on:** June 30, 2015, 02:06:24 PM »

I think "investigative results" is a bit of a stretch for a neighborizor

wait what even -is- raitaki's role, skimming back I don't see a claim nor do I recall one happening

not that this concerns me much but I guess it -is- relevant at this point

O4rfish · « **Reply #381 on:** June 30, 2015, 02:12:11 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on June 27, 2015, 06:09:50 PM

It might be the last day, might as well fullclaim. I'm a 1-shot census taker, and my action allows me to choose one of the role types offered at the beginning of the game to learn how many players got a role from that category. Misc seemed too vague to be useful, Investigative was risky for scum to fakeclaim without an actual investigative ability, it didn't look like there would be any more than 1 Protective role, so I picked Controlling for N2. I was told that 3 people picked it. I'm assuming those people are Shadoweh, Zak and CF7. I asked Serela about her role type in D3 because Vig seemed like they can "control" people by murdering their face off, and I wasn't sure.

SB wouldn't tell me what category Dormio's role fell under.
CF7 was almost certainly M, and Dan chose C.

Bardiche · « **Reply #382 on:** June 30, 2015, 02:21:42 PM »

Quote from: O4rfish on June 30, 2015, 12:04:06 PM

Hey Bard, mind describing what Serela said in your neighborhood that makes him so Towny?

He shared with me his thoughts, which I feel are sufficient to make me not want to lynch Serela at this point. I think there's likelier scum than Serela. I don't see why I would've needed to claim the neighbourhood, randomly claiming isn't a thing.

I don't see much need to rehash an old case either, as very little's happened since I made the case. I find it a ludicrous argument to leverage, honestly, since I last talked about you here and I still find it very bad that you tried to tunnel Town onto CF7, to the point of demanding we don't "diversify" the votes. I can't imagine a Town player would be so invested in getting Town to not talk about more things and just focus solely on CF7.

Serela · « **Reply #383 on:** June 30, 2015, 02:51:04 PM »

~2 hours left

Raitaki · « **Reply #384 on:** June 30, 2015, 03:02:39 PM »

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

Judging from the fact that neither Zak nor Oarfish was instahammered, I want to say the scumteam is them. There might be other possible ways instahammer didn't happen but I just woke up and don't want to deal with those right now.

SB · « **Reply #385 on:** June 30, 2015, 03:13:06 PM »

And that's hammer.

Zakeri, Mafia 1-shot Nexus / Rogue, was lynched Day 4.

It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to get your actions in.

why do i keep colouring zak's role green

SB · « **Reply #386 on:** July 01, 2015, 04:00:10 PM »

Haircuts are op.

Serela, Town 0-shot Vigilante, was killed Night 4.

It is now Day 5. With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. You have 72 hours to make your decision.

Town is in LYLO.

Raitaki · « **Reply #387 on:** July 01, 2015, 05:03:25 PM »

Alright. Personally I'm pretty convinced Oarfish is the last scum compared to Bard, but given my past record this is where I'd probably throw the game so I'll take a second to really make sure that Bard isn't scum.

Anyway, I don't recall but, has DNA/Oarfish claimed yet? If not, can you fullclaim?

O4rfish · « **Reply #388 on:** July 01, 2015, 05:30:07 PM »

I'm not DNA. Bard is DNA. I'm ActionDan.

My role is Town Day 1 Inventor/Vanillaizer, which also happens to be 1-shot and Compulsive.
On d1, Dan was supposed to choose one of three gadgets, and give it to someone else, replacing their abilities with a 1-shot thing at the beginning of n1. It does not replace their title.
SB chose to give Doctor to CF7.
Apparently CF7 used the Doctor on Serela but was roleblocked by Shadoweh.

Raitaki · « **Reply #389 on:** July 01, 2015, 05:31:12 PM »

Oh right. The passing of time is OP.