Author Topic: Filler Mafia - Day 5 (Read 32893 times)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #300 on:** June 25, 2015, 02:20:14 AM »

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This is the reason why I was confused about how I got painted (You targeted me and I slid it off myself to Shadoweh meaning I thought I shouldn't have been hit but I got the backlash from targeting her).

The wording of my role specifically states that only players who are targeted-or-targeted-by. We know Shadoweh flipped town so she didn't lie - that explains Shadoweh/CF7.

I assume you actually had to 'target' Shadoweh to make this effect work.

Please review this post from Oarfish on day 2.

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If the paint affects everyone who targeted and/or was targeted by Shadoweh during the whole night, then Zak must have been the redirector. If the paint only affected people who came into contact after the paint was applied, then Zak could not have been the redirector.

I will guess that Zak used an ability to redirect everything targeting himself onto Shadoweh. Skypal's paint hit Shadoweh, and Zak was painted because he targeted Shadoweh. This would also cause Zak to question why he was painted, since he redirected the paint away from himself.

*scratches head*

I don't know what to make of this right now.

cut-
Well, what we have so far done is rule out that:
CF7, Zak, Sky_Paladin
Didn't make the hit night 1.
Perhaps we can go from there.

Serela · « **Reply #301 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:05:50 AM »

Zak was legitimately confused about it during the event so he's not lying, whether or not he's actually town or scum.

Serela · « **Reply #302 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:06:40 AM »

(I can say legitimate because it would make no sense for him to be able to think this far ahead and fake the confusion, nor would it really grab him extra townie cred)

O4rfish · « **Reply #303 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:13:54 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 21, 2015, 01:57:46 AM

Also, my roleblock makes it sound like scum can kill and action at the same time.

Quote from: SB on June 23, 2015, 11:44:31 PM

Shadoweh, Town Limited Roleblocker, was killed Night 2.

What kind of role would give Shadoweh that information while also limiting her?
If the limitation was something like "this only blocks their role action" that would preclude clears on ... just about everybody.

If scum cannot kill and action at the same time, then who is the killer?

I think Zak as Scum would have tried to confuse the issue rather than post his confusion.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #304 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:24:02 AM »

I think that it's impossible for Oarfish to have known in advance both Shadoweh's role and Zakeri's role unless Zak specifically tracked Shadoweh AND Oarfish was scum with one of Zak/Shadoweh/CF7, and we now have confirmation that Zak didn't do such a thing.

That leaves the last possible contribution as CF7/Oarfish, which I am willing to let slide for now because we've confirmed that CF7 didn't make the hit since he was roleblocked by Shadoweh.

The last scenario is: Scum Oarfish vanilla/docgraded scum!CF7 to give him a cover story for night 1. Seems implausible, because they weren't expecting any way for him to be detected.

I'll also underscore that Oarfish has been very helpful in resolving night actions and I don't see scum being that helpful. I'm town sorting Oarfish.

I'm leaning a vote on CF7 just for the sake of clearing up this mess, but I'm now looking at the players outside of this pool of Zak/CF7/Oarfish.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #305 on:** June 25, 2015, 12:21:41 PM »

Just a reminder, we have a little over a day left. Would be great to hear more from players like Zak, who I haven't actually seen any content from that I can recall other than clarifying his night 1 action, and Serela who *just exists*.

Serela · « **Reply #306 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:27:19 PM »

I tore apart o4rfish's case and became suspicious of him, restated my opinion on Zak and CF7, and don't particularly think anyone else looks very scummy, what else do you want from me? D;

Serela · « **Reply #307 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:38:52 PM »

I mean yeah it doesn't take much to restate opinions on them but it's not like much has actually happened this game, there's only so much I can do. :T O4rfish's slot didn't exist d1 and d2 was like 90% just roleshens.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #308 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:31:44 PM »

There's not a whole lot I can add other than info on my own role. CF7 and Oarfish are the most suspicious and I want CF7 gone more than I want Oar gone. I'm willing to accept Oar's lynch as consolidation should we (heaven forbid) need it again.

My general opinion on everyone else is that they're more likely to be town than the combined pool of CF7 and Oarfish, but that's not really going to matter that much anyways since if we do get a lynch and I survive tomorrow, I'm going to be scrapping everything and rereading through the game in depth.

Speaking of "if we get the lynch", we have 32 hours from this post. Not trying to urge people but ... well yes I am actually. >_>

Serela · « **Reply #309 on:** June 25, 2015, 03:45:22 PM »

Well yeah, based on the last two days, we should probably scream out the deadline in every other post :V:V

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #310 on:** June 25, 2015, 04:10:35 PM »

Man I dunno. Everytime I re-read Oarfish I'm like "How could he know." But I can't reconcile it unless it's scum!Zak and scum!Oarfish. And that would mean they, as scum, told the complete truth about night actions, when they (especially Oarfish) could have just sat on their bum and twiddled their thumbs while we dragged CF7 off to the gallows.

I'll sleep on it :/

O4rfish · « **Reply #311 on:** June 25, 2015, 04:42:50 PM »

I have a question for Serela. Imagine CF7 has been revealed as Scum. Do you still see Bard's case on me as stronger than my case on him?

Raitaki · « **Reply #312 on:** June 25, 2015, 04:46:31 PM »

@SkyPal: You're probably thinking too hard. Oarfish could have just guessed everything correctly. Guessing that Shadoweh was the roleblocker wasn't all that hard, guessing Zakeri was the redirector was a bit more of a stretch but still within reason. And on the CF7/Oarfish scumteam, it's also possible that a) Oarfish was actually telling the truth about their role being compulsively fired LD1, or b) Dan doctorized CF7 so that his slot can claim D2 and have CF7 (as well as any investigative role that happens to see CF7 visiting someone who doesn't keel over dead) confirm it. Admittedly b) is unlikely because role != alignment in this setup, but it's also possible they were fishing for honesty points or something.

I guess that's it for everything we can really discuss today without going hyper roleshen speculation again?
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

L-2 if I counted correctly.

O4rfish · « **Reply #313 on:** June 25, 2015, 05:05:51 PM »

Zak, me, Rai is 3/7, so L-1

Raitaki · « **Reply #314 on:** June 25, 2015, 05:08:38 PM »

Oh derp. I went by the "It takes 5 to lynch" figure on page 9 for some reason.

Serela · « **Reply #315 on:** June 25, 2015, 06:24:04 PM »

O4rfish:The issue is I don't really agree with most of your points against Bard or DNA in the first place. It's not that I find them less compelling, I don't believe in them in the first place.

Serela · « **Reply #316 on:** June 25, 2015, 07:14:42 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on June 25, 2015, 04:46:31 PM

@SkyPal: You're probably thinking too hard. Oarfish could have just guessed everything correctly. Guessing that Shadoweh was the roleblocker wasn't all that hard, guessing Zakeri was the redirector was a bit more of a stretch but still within reason.

Yeah I pretty much figured the same myself; Zak's confusion made sense for a redirection role, although bus driving had been what first came to mind.

SB · « **Reply #317 on:** June 25, 2015, 07:22:45 PM »

CF7 (3): Bike-huni Zakeri, O4rfish, Raitaki (L-1!)
O4rfish (1): Bardiche
Bike-huni Zakeri (1): CF7

Not Voting (2): Sky_Paladin, Serela

There are just under 28 hours and 22 minutes left in the day. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Bardiche · « **Reply #318 on:** June 26, 2015, 03:56:09 AM »

I think we've pretty much worn out what we can get from today. I've made my case on who else I think is scum, and I'm glad to see people take stock in it. For now though, it's time for some closure.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

I'm satisfied with the fish I had and am ready to move on to the main dish. I don't feel I need to rehash why CF7 is scummy, nor why he deserves to die.

Bardiche · « **Reply #319 on:** June 26, 2015, 03:56:29 AM »

In case you've forgotten, not having seen one in quite a while: That's a hammer. Shut up.

SB · « **Reply #320 on:** June 26, 2015, 08:42:16 AM »

Miracles do happen.

CF7, Town 1-shot Deadline Extender, was lynched Day 3.

But only minor miracles, it seems.

It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to get your actions in.

CF7 · « **Reply #321 on:** June 26, 2015, 07:00:10 PM »

Quote from: SB on June 26, 2015, 08:42:16 AM

Miracles do happen.

And there was much rejoicing. Yaaaaaaaay.

SB · « **Reply #322 on:** June 27, 2015, 05:46:44 PM »

Sorry, I've been getting dragged around all day and ended up missing deadline by a lot.

Sky_Paladin, Town 1-shot Painter, was killed Night 3.

It is now Day 4. You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Town is in LYLO.

Raitaki · « **Reply #323 on:** June 27, 2015, 06:09:50 PM »

Well then that was a thing.

It might be the last day, might as well fullclaim. I'm a 1-shot census taker, and my action allows me to choose one of the role types offered at the beginning of the game to learn how many players got a role from that category. Misc seemed too vague to be useful, Investigative was risky for scum to fakeclaim without an actual investigative ability, it didn't look like there would be any more than 1 Protective role, so I picked Controlling for N2. I was told that 3 people picked it. I'm assuming those people are Shadoweh, Zak and CF7. I asked Serela about her role type in D3 because Vig seemed like they can "control" people by murdering their face off, and I wasn't sure.

Now that CF7 has flipped town, my beef with Serela earlier has been largely invalidated. That leaves Oarfish and Zak as the most suspicious, but I'll try to reread everyone just to be sure.

Raitaki · « **Reply #324 on:** June 27, 2015, 06:11:38 PM »

Also a warning, we're at the point where the moment anyone at all votes a townie, the scumteam can wait until they're both online and quickhammer.

Raitaki · « **Reply #325 on:** June 27, 2015, 06:16:03 PM »

No "let's make an excuse to vote this person and refresh the page until I see someone else voting them then unvote" shenanigans please.

O4rfish · « **Reply #326 on:** June 28, 2015, 02:31:36 AM »

Well, sorry. I really thought CF7 was scum.
Pretty much negates my case against Bard as well.

Raitaki · « **Reply #327 on:** June 28, 2015, 02:53:50 AM »

Oof, that was an extraordinarily long tabletop session. Anyway.

Trying to ponder the "Why was SkyPal shot instead of Bard" issue.
+ SkyPal was making noises about suspecting Zak, and changed his mind and softcleared Oarfish. This implicates Zak and implies Oarfish is town.
+ Town seemed to view SkyPal as more obvtown. SkyPal and Bard can be considered roughly equal on this regard, as nobody has made any indication of suspecting SkyPal for the last two days (Oarfish's discrediting excluded), while some people were either townreading or defending Bard D3. However, Oarfish made a case against Bard. If this was one factor against shooting Bard over SkyPal, then it implies Oarfish is town.
+ The DNA/Bard slot never claimed, soft or otherwise, so scum was afraid that he could be bulletproof or something. Neutral.

Gonna try interaction reads after dinner. Just examined Oarfish/Zak and got nothing since they barely interacted

Serela · « **Reply #328 on:** June 28, 2015, 03:16:00 AM »

Sheeping Raitaiki because I was coming into this thinking "well, despite my opinion yesterday, I don't think o4rfish is seriously scum". His day opener... really doesn't look like scum, either. "Oops, the nk destroyed my case. Welp." I'd be crying and not wanting to bother looking at the game again if I had to ruin my efforts with an nk. That's probably too much wifom to actually use as a reason though (and if you wanted to you could justify it the other way around; "welp now I have an excuse to distance myself from it and not have to do much'), Raitaki's are way better and actually convincing.

Well, actually, I should look at the whole playerlist.

2. DNA Bardiche
3. Serela
4. Murrin Raitaki
7. Zakeri
9. ActionDan Oarfish

Might end up lynching o4rfish by game finish anyway if today goes well? I mean, I don't really feel hype about lynching Bard at all? And Raitaki is, damn, like, did I mention I'm sheeping Raitaki? Anyway, Zakeri is far and away the most compelling lynch for me now that the o4rfish one sounds more meh, since I actively don't really want to lynch the other two people who aren't me. If it wasn't rude or whatever I'd probably just vote him now.

Serela · « **Reply #329 on:** June 28, 2015, 03:17:12 AM »

I'd talk about Zak more if I hadn't been keeping my opinion on him pretty up-to-date the whole game.