Puzzle and Dragons Thread 20 - The thread is now Xuanzang, 20 posts or less only

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What is the ideal a.horus team, out of curiosity?

[trancehime]

What is the ideal a.horus team, out of curiosity?

Hard for me to say since I don't own A.Horus, but I would wager you definitely need Red Valk. Defensive sub could either be G/L Susano or Dizanami. For healing/recovery utility may use LMeta or Attackerasu, depends on your taste. At least one of LKali or DKali could be used if you want a full board changer. Not really sure what is the most optimal combination, I don't have A.Horus to test.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

After seeing some of the crazy shit I can do with little effort with my A. Parvati, and not even at full potential, I would daresay I'm quite proud of running her even if she isn't S-rank, though I'll surely be running A. Ra when he comes out here. But even then, Parvati will still be my main girl. She may not have the punch or the HP an A. Ra team may have, but when it comes to versatility, recovery, and still being able to punch really hard, she does real good.

[trancehime]

After seeing some of the crazy shit I can do with little effort with my A. Parvati, and not even at full potential, I would daresay I'm quite proud of running her even if she isn't S-rank, though I'll surely be running A. Ra when he comes out here. But even then, Parvati will still be my main girl. She may not have the punch or the HP an A. Ra team may have, but when it comes to versatility, recovery, and still being able to punch really hard, she does real good.

like i mentioned earlier, the website says A-rank leads with optimal subs are pretty much on equal footing with S-rank leads. If Awoken Ra didn't give x100 max multiplier cap he would probably just be A-rank as well.

[Mr. Sacchi]

What is the ideal a.horus team, out of curiosity?

That would depend wildly on what you want on your A.Horus team, but assuming you want a team that likes to be ready for pretty much any situation, it would be Fire Valk/DKali(Or LKali, if you don't intend to save your Fire Valk to combo with DKali to max out on fire orbs)/Susano-o(Or DIza)/LMeta(If you need more resistances) or Muse (If you need more damage).

Fire Valk is an obvious choice, and since unlike F/L Horus, Awoken Horus has Actual RCV (tm), between both Horuses and the valk you already have plenty of it so there's no need to focus on it so much more so long as your other subs aren't completely starved for RCV. DKali Vs LKali is more of a preference choice, Susano-o or DIza comes as a question of "do I need more health or more RCV for this dungeon" and Muse Vs LMeta is "Do I need more utility or more damage this dungeon". It should be noted though that since DIza has a much lower cd than susano-o she will be able to proc the bonus damage from Horus's LS much more frequently.

Basically, it's FValk/Either Kali/Defensive Sub/Utility or Enhancer

[commandercool]

Hmm, as much as I hate to admit it, I can see why Gabriel doesn't rank higher on either list. As a leader he has extraordinarily strict sub requirements and he does have some huge weaknesses (although I don't know if he has more than most A-rank teams). As a sub I think a strong argument could be made for colored angels as at least B-tier subs after seeing their heart enhance buff in action. Although since it requires another orbchanger to work and often just means overkill damage it's understandably less of an easy include than hero gods.

So let Gabriel's freakish power be a testament to the fact that monster synergy still means at least as much as just sheer high-tier-ness. You can clear endgame content, at least a lot of it, with a bunch of lower-tier stuff as long as it works very very well together. There are still things I can't fathom clearing with Gabriel (any of the later challenge floors with no recovery are straight-up impossible for him and always will be), but he's gotten waaaay past anything I ever expected when I started using him just through synergy and the power of rows. And of course my Gabriel team still has an A-tier and a B-tier sub on it, but considering that it also has a couple of D-tier subs it kind of balances out.

[OverlordChirei]

even if she isn't S-rank

Hmm, as much as I hate to admit it, I can see why Gabriel doesn't rank higher on either list.

fuck tier lists and fuck jp, they're not playing this game for you

make your own meta

kick all reason to the curb and do the impossible

[commandercool]

fuck tier lists and fuck jp, they're not playing this game for you

make your own meta

kick all reason to the curb and do the impossible

I mean, that's sorta what I said, except I do recognize that there are some hard limits. That's just the price of doin' Gabriel business. Kind of need hearts to live. Maybe some day a weird card will come out that somehow lets him hang in high-pressure no recovery zones, but not right now.

Also keep it under your hat, but I totally figured out how to clear Hera Rush with Gabriel, which I previously thought was impossible. Gotta iron out a few kinks, but proof to come once I get around to having enough stamina to blow on failing a few times.

Also, speaking of Awoken Ra, I did not realize just how far off we are from him. It's going to be months and months, isn't it? That kind of sucks. Might just uvo my Ra to W/W for now, since he'll definitely be long hypermax before we get Sphinx at this rate. Get some practice in while I wait I guess.

[OverlordChirei]

Also, speaking of Awoken Ra, I did not realize just how far off we are from him. It's going to be months and months, isn't it?

You sure about that? We're only four descends away, the fourth being Sphinx itself.

That number should hopefully go down to 3 very very soon...

EDIT: Forgot Kaguya

[commandercool]

You sure about that? We're only four descends away, the fourth being Sphinx itself.

That number should hopefully go down to 3 very very soon...

EDIT: Forgot Kaguya

Am I wrong in thinking we get one new descend a month? It went Medjed five weeks ago, then Diagoldos last week, right? Was there another one in the middle I forgot?

[OverlordChirei]

Am I wrong in thinking we get one new descend a month? It went Medjed five weeks ago, then Diagoldos last week, right? Was there another one in the middle I forgot?

There have been times where we got new descends on consecutive events, which I guess would be somewhere in the order of two weeks at the fastest. However, if the second ~*~Mystery Event~*~ for this event on the 29th ends up being what I think it is, one week between descends will now be the fastest known time between releases.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I am become Salt, destroyer of dreams.

[trancehime]

Am I wrong in thinking we get one new descend a month? It went Medjed five weeks ago, then Diagoldos last week, right? Was there another one in the middle I forgot?

sonia-gran which might come this week

then z&h

then kaguya

then sphinx

[Edible]

We've had descends pushed forward to account for upcoming sub releases in the past, so Sphinx may very well jump ahead of Z&H/Kaguya.  Sonia Gran is already in the US data so we're almost certainly getting her shortly.

If the releases keep pace, we should have awoken Egyptians some time next week (or so).  Goemon's uevo as well.

[commandercool]

Wow, that'd be something. That would go from too slow to too fast. My Ra is +100 now and I'm short a Shynpy. Better make sure I have the Sphinx materials, anyway.

[hyorinryu]

We've had descends pushed forward to account for upcoming sub releases in the past, so Sphinx may very well jump ahead of Z&H/Kaguya.  Sonia Gran is already in the US data so we're almost certainly getting her shortly.

If the releases keep pace, we should have awoken Egyptians some time next week (or so).  Goemon's uevo as well.

It's also possible they might have to wait a bit ala Neptune.

[Espadas]

May 27th updated JP META TIER LIST MLG NO SCOPE

LEADERS

S-Rank (Strongest leader mlg pro blazeit)

Awoken Bastet

Is A.Bastet really THAT strong? Never seen her in action...

B-Rank (Viable leads)

Pandora

Does this qualify for "How the mighty have fallen"?   :V


Is there an up-to-date list of which descents can have jewel invades and how they are grouped by jewel color? I'm trying to choose the descents that are either easier for my teams or that have a boss that i can actually use for skillup (Athena/Goddess/Take FTW BV)

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Is A.Bastet really THAT strong? Never seen her in action...

She's a fairly easy 36x, yes, and being a combo god means she can use pretty much any sub.

Does this qualify for "How the mighty have fallen"?   :V

No?

It means she's a viable lead. The problem is that she can't really stand alone; she more or less NEEDS specific subs to make her work. As do all hero gods really. Which means she definitely needs dark orb changers to be effective (because let's be real, most Pandora setups can't stall much) and lots of them. Most of the good ones (read: all of them that are not Vampire) are REM. Which means you need to be lucky enough to have those. If you do then she's a FANTASTIC leader, capable of absolutely insane damage. But if you don't, you're kind of screwed. That's why she's B-rank. A-rank stuff that's listed there have similar issues but generally better stats/leader skills.

Is there an up-to-date list of which descents can have jewel invades and how they are grouped by jewel color? I'm trying to choose the descents that are either easier for my teams or that have a boss that i can actually use for skillup (Athena/Goddess/Take FTW BV)

It always varies and it's never consistent. Check PDX during events to see which is where.

[Thaws]

Is A.Bastet really THAT strong? Never seen her in action...
Does this qualify for "How the mighty have fallen"?   :V

Yes, A Bastet is real good.

Pandora still got 4th on the lastest JP PCGF though, which means she's really popular still considering the first three are all GFEs.
But then again PCGFs are more of a popularity contest than a good representation of the meta.

_{also all egypts 1.0 ranked in except isis}

[MatsuriSakuragi]

The three day long saga of failure comes to an end.



Didn't even need to pop Skuld.



Gettin free stones left and right this week.



'sup.

[Edible]

Grats, Mats!

Two updates from KR today.  You can see their PCGF vote results here; the order's largely different, but they voted in Andromeda/GZL/Izanagi/Perseus/Lakshmi/Urd whereas the US chose Kushinadahime/U&Y/Durga/Venus/Bastet/LMeta.  Other update is they're getting skillup changes back next week, back to kalis/norns/apoc/nut/osiris.

[Jq1790]

Hm, so they're gearimg up for the first ever NA live Hello Kitty shows.  Wonder if that means we are even more likely to get the collab back when it shows up in JP?  We haven't gotten it confirmed to come to NA or not yet, right?

[Edible]

Hm, so they're gearimg up for the first ever NA live Hello Kitty shows.  Wonder if that means we are even more likely to get the collab back when it shows up in JP?  We haven't gotten it confirmed to come to NA or not yet, right?

I don't think us getting the collab back was ever in question, thankfully.  Just a matter of dates.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Yeah, if anything, we'll at least get the new ults, even if the collab didn't come back, I feel.

[Edible]

NO DON'T SAY THAT I WANT THE COLLAB TO COME BACK DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY FRUIT DRAGONS I HAVE TO SKILL UP HINT IT'S LITERALLY ALL OF THEM

[commandercool]

Fruit dragons are becoming increasingly skilluppable even without Salutations Cat. If you really want to get Strawberry or Blueberry maxed you could totally do it without being insane.

That said, the collab letting you do them all in one place would be ideal, obviously.

[The Greatest Dog]

Meanwhile, I've still been throwing all of my stamina at Kouryuu as well. Sakuya is now skill level 5.

One more to go.

[Edible]

Meanwhile, I've still been throwing all of my stamina at Kouryuu as well. Sakuya is now skill level 5.

One more to go.

Just in time for an awoken evo with a changed active \o/

[MatsuriSakuragi]

NO DON'T SAY THAT I WANT THE COLLAB TO COME BACK DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY FRUIT DRAGONS I HAVE TO SKILL UP HINT IT'S LITERALLY ALL OF THEM

Well yeah, I have all of them except for melon, myself. I could definitely put the collab to use, but at the same time... I have literally never used any of them. <_<;

[Edible]

I'm crossing my fingers for UEVOs, myself.  They certainly have a place in any number of teams, occasionally even with their hilariously shitty stats (see: strawberry w/RGY, melon w/wukong, grape w/luci), but they're just way too low in the stats department.