Poppy could make it impossible to farm for melee though.
Didn't see this post.
Anyways, yeah, that is kind of a big issue Poppy presents right now, considering there have been many games (but not all, obviously) before the patch where I
completely nullify their farm. Once you hit level 6, it was possible to engage with E, then W>Q>R>Q>AA>Q and then they're dead. After you did that a couple of times, they just hugged their back line and couldn't do much of anything until you left lane. Or a gank forced you back for a few seconds.
Of all the things people complain about on Fizz; the slow on his R is something I have never seen.
In fact I rarely see people complain about Fizz R at all. Except Fizzes missing the fish but still killing them. Which isn't so much a complaint ABOUT R.
Yeah. Maybe it's just me but I think the stupid bit is his E>Q. Much like
Poppy's problems, once he starts doing that (and he can do that from level 2), I tend to get forced back, and have to buy all sorts of Armor/MR items just to stay in lane. Even when I play safe, though, he can do it
again and force me back to tower. Essentially, it's that one combo that's the issue. And all of that is 200MP/16s. CD at level 2, and 140MP/8s. CD at max level on both skills.