Author Topic: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over (Read 48030 times)

Elieson · « **Reply #870 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:03:48 AM »

OK after a lot of thought and responsibility IRL (designated driving for a Friend's sudden 26th bday alcohol filled party", I feel like the kill patterns point more towards Refa support (behaviorally analyzing) except for the SB kill which means little.

That being said, SkyPaladins behavior this phase is unlike that of his throughout the rest of the game. I don't like it

Forgive me

Refa · « **Reply #871 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:06:15 AM »

When you say the kill patterns point towards my support, do you mean that they support me being town or scum?

Refa · « **Reply #872 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:11:48 AM »

19 minutes left.

PX · « **Reply #873 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:14:32 AM »

20 minutes

Elieson · « **Reply #874 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:18:00 AM »

Support you being scum

But

Fuck it refa seems more genuine with his concern about this phase and SkyPaladin seems more...case-present about this phase

Elieson · « **Reply #875 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:19:14 AM »

I'm doing it. If I'm wrong refa I am sorry this was really hard for me

##Vote refa

Refa · « **Reply #876 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:21:08 AM »

*sigh*

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #877 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:23:47 AM »

Refaquest ends here. He was a Mafia Goon.

Congratulations to the town for winning Volcanic Mafia 2015!

Serela · « **Reply #878 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:24:38 AM »

:D

Good game

Elieson · « **Reply #879 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:25:23 AM »

God damnit refa I still love you

Refa · « **Reply #880 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:26:19 AM »

Awwww, thanks. :blush:

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #881 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:28:43 AM »

hw postgame

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Award Ceremony
Shinori Award for Video Games > Mafia
Dormio

Serela Award for Waffling At Deadline
Mitsuki

Kilgamayan Award for Policy Kills
Vhaltz

Paperblade Award for Expendability
DrRawr

BBM Award for Being On The Receiving End Of The Worst Meta Cases
Bardiche

Bluedoom Award for Worst Mislynch
Zakeri

ActionDan Award for Towniest Quickhammer
SB

Radiant Dragon Award for Rolling Scum On Your Return Game
BT

Baldrick Award for Sour Subs
Shadoweh

Proto Award for Not Actually Playing Mafia
O4rfish

SB Award for Gradual Improvement
Serela

Manix Award for Longest Tunnel
NekoRex

Conqueror Award for Best Almost-Carry
Refa

Mancer Award for Not Understanding Game Mechanics
Sky_Paladin

Roukanken Award for Most T_T
Elieson

Rapier Award for Most Foregone Conclusion
ActionDan

Prims Award for Figuring Out The Game Without Playing Or Reading It

Quote from: Kilgamayan on April 24, 2015, 11:08:54 AM

Refa has to be scum no one fucking writes that much in a phone post Lynch All Liars

Overall
Hoo boy.

I felt bad for Elieson a lot this game because twice he had one correct scumread, convinced nobody to vote with him, then convinced himself he was wrong somehow. Elie, you really gotta work on verbalizing yourself; even though you were scumreading BT and Refa at various points your actual cases were pretty vague and you didn't really DO anything with them so it ended up not mattering (although your initial reasons for voting BT over the hammer were bad anyway).

Elie, the connections between Rawr/Refa made sense, I dunno why you gave up on them! Your reasons for BT/Refa NOT totally being scum didn't though! Lurking is scummy, I'm not sure how you could read town intent into the way BT did it. There's no reason Refa and BT wouldn't vote together and in fact it makes more sense if they really wanted O4rfish to die over BT together? Really confused why you would argue Refa was town over that since I'm certain scum have voted together to save themselves in SF games you've played in (or even modded) before. Have a little more confidence, don't over-think things and read a little closer, watching you flip-flop from being right to being mislynch bait all game was heartbreaking. But at least you made the right choice in the end.

Don't understand why O4rfish posted the charts and conspiracy theories despite seemingly being aware nobody would take him seriously. Like, he got town-read for it, but playing mafia conventionally in the first place would've circumvented the whole issue and it's not like his unusual playstyle has exactly gotten him positive results. Same applies to Sky trying to meta the nightkill the way he did on D4; each individual player's kill priorities don't matter because nightkills are not made in a contextless void, nor are they made by one person.

And, of course, everybody else realizes this but: O4rfish's shot was atrocious. 1) you were just the counterwagon to flipped scum, why would you throw your life away like that, come ON dude, 2) nobody had even said anything about Serela except people who thought he was town, why would you not just push a regular case, 3) even if you DIDN'T think Serela hard pushing both scum made him that townie why would you gun for him over Elie and Refa, both of which who had serious connections to flipped scum at that point? By offing yourself, the Literal One And Only Person You Honest To God Knew Was 100% Town, Totally in the process, you were basically setting up town for a LYLO loss. Just, holy shit.

I dunno why anybody seriously considered NNR as scum after Rawr's counterwagon vote on him. I dunno why people pushed Serela so hard after he made the Rawr lynch happen. I dunno why Zak got lynched in general. Even if bussing is a thing that exists you'd think there'd be higher priorities when you guys have a bunch of scummier-looking targets and a DOUBLE DAY. Also, the meta-cases on Bard were lame and what he said about people demanding he behave in a specific or be suspicious otherwise being stupid was on-point.

I thought Serela was fairly reasonable and that you guys are too mean to him. I dunno if he just got better a while ago and I haven't been reading games though. Shadoweh was pretty solid for somebody who subbed in on short notice while busy because I pestered her on Steam, so kudos to her. Sky_Paladin did an excellent job in LYLO and I would probably name him town MVP just because I'm not sure town would have made it had it been anybody else alive D5 in the same position.

As for scum... Refa did great for his first time in a new environment, but had living too long in a vanilla game syndrome and his LYLO play was blatantly wait-and-see. Maf as a whole probably would've done better had Rawr actually put more effort into playing. BT might've been able to stall his lynch had he been more active D3 too - people were giving him way too much of a pass and Shadoweh had the right idea. I guess if there's one big message for town to take from this game it's that tactical lurking is scummy, and also that you shouldn't self-vote as the towniest looking player so you can vengekill the other towniest looking player because that's a fucking terrible idea.

Any other gameplay comments are probably in the graveyard. Hope the open set-up was OK. This is the second time I've hosted it and this time it went much smoother from a mod perspective since it wasn't plagued by flaking townies. I feel like it's more fair than not but that nobody really cares because most players just don't seem to enjoy Mountainous games.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #882 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:33:04 AM »

Still got it.

Refa · « **Reply #883 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:34:52 AM »

Just plagued by flaking scum. Also nice postgame. Sorry I couldn't carry in the end, the last time I was scum in 3P LYLO was Fakeclaim and I immediately voted town and got lynched because I lied about my fakeclaim earlier on. Another issue with my play is that I basically suck at having good interactions with scum as scum unless they're good at not getting themselves cased, like SB.

Refa · « **Reply #884 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:36:02 AM »

Fun fact, that actually was a phone post. I had to transcribe a post from my computer onto my phone because my computer's internet connection wasn't working at the time.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #885 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:37:00 AM »

Quote from: huh what on April 26, 2015, 03:28:43 AM

Shinori Award for Video Games > Mafia
Dormio

It wasn't even video games this time. Well, okay, it was partially video games but there were other real life things I had to do a lot of.

Refa · « **Reply #886 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:41:10 AM »

"Refa is probably going to be sad that I could've had him not be scum though."

You fucker.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #887 on:** April 26, 2015, 03:45:13 AM »

:^)

mafia team from that roll was bt/dan/dormio in case anybody is curious. i feel like rolling alignments before sign-ups finish is awkward, but do it every time anyway because i'm impatient, only to scrap it every time too

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #888 on:** April 26, 2015, 04:28:20 AM »

not my best town game, surprised I wasn't lynched for my kind of scummy casing lategame and my terrible reads, but better then the horrible apathy that plauged me before I quit mafia

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #889 on:** April 26, 2015, 04:44:11 AM »

tbf being rawr's counterwagon should've made your alignment pretty obvious. not that that stopped people from casing you!

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #890 on:** April 26, 2015, 04:55:26 AM »

Oarfish was pretty bad all game though, nothing he posted was convincing in the slightest. I don't feel any worse for having tunneled him as town all game.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #891 on:** April 26, 2015, 09:09:52 AM »

Cool game guys

I would've enjoyed playing it if I had actually had a chance to do it =|

Refa · « **Reply #892 on:** April 26, 2015, 09:45:11 AM »

Whoops.

CF7 · « **Reply #893 on:** April 26, 2015, 09:58:06 AM »

It was an interesting read and actually made me want to play mafia again. So, yay, i guess. Props to Celery and Sky.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #894 on:** April 26, 2015, 01:00:29 PM »

LyLo was super intense, I didn't feel like following the game until that point. SkyPal and Elie did super well not to fall for Refa's AtE, I probably wouldn't have been able to do it.

Also sorry for subbing out, I got super frustrated. I hate it when people question everything I do, and the fact that it was only to get a mislynch made me go "fuck this game, I'm out" (note that I wouldn't have done that if I didn't have a replacement ready by then).
Yeah, I was wrong, but you guys should just cut me some slack. ED1 reads won't usually be accurate, and if all you do is pointing out that they're wrong two things are going to happen. 1: I'll spend my time justifying my reads instead of actually scumhunting, which will fill the game with a lot of noise 2: I'll actually gain confidence in reads that weren't that strong by polarization effects and it will be harder for me to reconsider, specially since I'm quite stubborn. Yeah, it actually happened.

Not trying to blame others for being wrong with my cases, lol. Also I'll try to get better when it comes to polarization of my opinions. But please have that in mind, not only for me, but when questioning everyone else's cases. Specially during ED1. It will make things better for town.
I feel like the ideal play for town during D1 would be to point out scummy stuff others have done until deadline gets close and ignore weird/bad stuff, and only argue against other people's cases when they're pushing counterwagons to who you want to lynch.

Bardiche · « **Reply #895 on:** April 26, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »

As usual a Mafia game that has poisonous elements in it.

Great job, Sky Paladin.

ActionDan · « **Reply #896 on:** April 26, 2015, 02:05:48 PM »

WP gg no re

SB · « **Reply #897 on:** April 26, 2015, 05:33:20 PM »

Yeah, this was a fun LYLO to read. Props to uh... like half the game I guess for playing pretty well.

BT · « **Reply #898 on:** April 26, 2015, 06:48:15 PM »

I'm really sorry for my play this game. My commitment to play as scum has been on the decline ever since I remember it and it's totally inexcusable. I won't pile on the self-loathing but I will say this: Once you've lost the spark to play as scum it's hard to get it back. Looking at the thread for the sole purpose of keeping yourself afloat isn't fun, there always has to be something else there to motivate you. I'm not necessarily talking about the setup, because even if I had a nightly roleblock I don't think it would make the experience any more interesting really. The biggest variable is probably the people you play with. It's complicated.

Right, so, big props to Sky for the LYLO. It's always great when you lynch correctly after looking at everything like that. Also big props to Serela for bricking the right lurkers and Shadoweh because she always thinks I'm scum when I'm scum, how does she do it?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #899 on:** April 27, 2015, 04:30:08 AM »

A big thanks to huh what for running the game. It's my first time experiencing a mountainous setup.

I think Serela was the hero of this game. My first three days were awful and had a part in influencing Oarfish's poor move, too. I was happy that I could redeem myself in LYLO though. I need to get over other people having a different play style to mine, or whatever it is that bugs me.

I think Eli did well to make a good decision also, especially when she was up against her two biggest scum reads.

I had fun and learned more for my next game. Thanks for playing, good game everyone.