Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Game Over

[Serela]

Okay I made a more proper response to SkyPal.

When asked to explain why you voted for Dormio, you explained in three posts effectively that you weren't sheeping SB/Oarfish, but you had some totally legit reason to vote Dormio, but couldn't say what it was. 
You didn't have a reason to vote Dormio.  You lied about your vote. 

I'm not sure how it's possible to misconstrue such small and concise posts this heavily, but actually, I said the exact opposite. I quoted the exact parts of them that I was sheeping and said I couldn't answer Mitsuki's question via adding my own words, because there was literally nothing I could possibly add to such clear-cut and shallow reasons as I was using in the case- aka, that there was absolutely nothing past SB/O4rfish's reasons.

When asked to explain why you voted for me, you said this:
When the only people who said anything like this was Oarfish and myself.  So this isn't the basis for your vote.

First, that quote wasn't a response to why I was voting for you. Second, if you're one of those people HOW CAN IT NOT BE PART OF THE VOTE AAAAAAAAAAA

Third I already explained in the post I voted you that I agreed with the overjustifaction thing against you. Now, of course, I have other more worthy reasons to vote you. However... well, you go off the deep end like this as town on a regular basis, so it's not that unbelievable from town!paladin. :T Still, you probably don't stop doing it as scum? Urgh, I can't excuse this just because of meta.

You actually said in 117:
You got the 'scum team' wrong and insisted that it didn't matter.  If it didn't matter, you shouldn't have brought it up.

Already covered in previous post, but I figure I should still mention such since the other post was mostly "omg whyyyy" and not an actual rebuttal, don't want that part getting lost

You believed I was talking about the names.  I wasn't.  I was saying that the basis of your vote was fake.  You were the one who told us that you knew you had lied about the basis of your vote.

You were so incredibly vague and unclear that I couldn't tell. The only logical conclusion was that you meant because I got something wrong? What you're doing now isn't very logical so I'm not entirely wrong there :S

So this isn't why you voted me.

I... really don't know how you came to this conclusion

You lied about every one of your votes this game.

and, in ending, I am unable to even

[Serela]

I'm like, this close to replacing out because SkyPaladin is ridiculously frustrating to deal with and my life is already being horrible right now apart from mafia. (That occured after I /in'd and hasn't stopped getting worse.) The motivation to post in mafia is sapped when I have a lunatic who bends everything to mean the opposite and comes up with the craziest conspiracy theories against me.

[Serela]

Every time I read one of his posts I feel obligated to respond because it's so far from reality, and also about me, but it also makes me want even less to bother with all the other parts of the game I haven't gotten around to yet.

[Sky_Paladin]

You were so incredibly vague and unclear that I couldn't tell. The only logical conclusion was that you meant because I got something wrong?

That was the point.

You assumed that I was calling you out for whatever thing you had lied about and responded in that way. 

If you were town who hadn't told a lie then you would have, should have, must have said, "I don't understand why you are saying this is fake, Sky.  Everything I wrote is true" or at the very least a request to clarify. 

But you didn't!  Because you knew that something you had written was a lie and were afraid that lie had been caught, so you went straight to the Sky!derp/cover with dirt strategy. 

All I ever asked was for you to explain your vote.  You still can't/won't do it. 

[Serela]

I assumed the fake part meant. YOU KNOW. THE THING I ACTIVELY SAID I HADN'T CHECKED SO IT MIGHT BE WRONG. SO IT REALISTICALLY WAS WRONG. AND THEREFORE POSSIBLY A SIGN OF FAKENESS? THIS IS NOT A LARGE STRETCH.

I don't even know how that being a lie somehow even makes me scummy! I lied about not remembering who the rvs scumbuddy team was?? So that makes me scum???

All I ever asked was for you to explain your vote.  You still can't/won't do it. 

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DIDN'T AAAAAAAAAAA

I

I should just stop caring

I should just stop responding to Sky on the basis that I don't need to actually worry about anyone else actually being swayed to vote me from what he's saying, and on the basis that I already tried to explain why what he said isn't what happened but it didn't help

then I can function

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Mfw S_P out selery's selery.

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm not really interested in why you think my vote is terrible.  I'm interested in why you think your vote is good, because from my perspective, it seems that you voted me because I was voting you, then lied about the motivation afterwards. 

Perhaps you can start with who you think is scum other than me. 

Dormio; you too.  You got Mitsuki/Sky mixed up and voted me.  When it was pointed out you had us mixed up, you unvoted and didn't suddenly vote Mitsuki, but re-voted me for no reason given. 

Can you clarify? 

[Serela]

Mfw S_P out selery's selery.

I'm just sitting here so very very confused as he accuses me of horrible things that don't make any sense ;_;

it's almost bedtime and I still haven't even gotten around to doing any of the -other- mafia things I'm supposed to do

@SkyPaladin I have already told you several times and I just don't care anymore, you can vote me all you want your pressure will no longer phase me >:T

[Serela]

you can vote me all you want your pressure will no longer phase me >:T

this is a lie but I'm going to pretend it isn't

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

but re-voted me for no reason given. 

lol.

I guess I'll make a post later when I get home.

[Serela]

Reading other parts of mafia because I can't sleep until I do. I'm not touching "Bard's emotions suggest he's scum" with a 10 foot pole. Way too meta and even moreso, way too unreliable. Mitsuki isn't voting Bard specifically for this but I still don't really agree with her vote. Coupled with already having bad gut sensations about her, well, yeah. :T

Speaking of people who raised my eyebrows and continue to do so, O4rfish. Post #100. Considering the quote comes right after saying he finds Bard suspicious, are you saying that's a reason why? :S What. Not sure how to feel about his later post where he thinks SkyP is good for sticking to his case but that's neither here nor there I guess. Overall though, O4rfish feels kinda... spectatory, and the stuff he says that isn't tends to be the things that make me go "...huh?".

Rawr, meanwhile, slips in with a precision vote and slips back out.

BT makes me want to sheep everything he says since it's stuff on people I had bad gut feelings about, except he actually makes cool logical arguments about it that I just don't have the mental fortitude to come anywhere near being able to do right now. And that's not just because of SkyPal, I'm not blaming -everything- on him. :T

All those people I'd be okay with voting, although Rawr is lower on the totem pole because d1 lurking isn't a good lynch point. I'm still going to be voting SkyPal though. He's the biggest wagon, too, so I have even less reason to want to get off. :T I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

Everyone else is somewhere between null (or at least "the usual" in Dan's case) and "well they look pretty fine right now".

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm losing confidence in Skypal again because his vote is failing to make sense again.

Perhaps you can start with who you think is scum other than me.

the same applies to you, Skypal

but I'm happy you guys are at least not hyper-tunneling.

[Sky_Paladin]

For NNR re: Who else is scum - here. 

I initially voted Serela because she claimed scumbuddies with Dormio/Mitsuki, and after our last game of seeing CF7 claim scumbuddies and having him flip scum...that was the basis of my vote. 

I became further suspicious when, after questioning by Mitsuki, Serela outlined her reason for voting Dormio:  No reason. 

I became further alarmed when Serela counter-voted me, and when asked:  No reason.  She later retro-actively applied that my reason for voting her was invalid and therefore that justified her vote.  I've since demonstrated that Serela knowingly lied when she attempted to undo my vote.  At this point my vote solidified to Totes Scum and Serela has degenerated into a mess of denial and backpedalling, although she has had one good content post just before yours. 

The phase is rapidly winding down though and with the wagons the way they are, I'm strongly considering shifting to my other Totes Scum of Dormio. 

I don't excuse Dormio confusing me with Mitsuki, apparently intending to vote me, then voting me without a reason.  Also, a scum!flip of Dormio would greatly improve the chances of scum!Serela being done, too. 

I could ultimately accept a story of a panicked Serela saying random gibberish in a desperate bid to admit she has a thought of her own and that she totally wasn't sheeping others/OMGUS voting.  Also in my experience she tends to OMGUS and counterattack whoever votes her, so let's see what happens if I change my vote. 

##unvote
##vote Dormio

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I like how you keep going "Dormio is voting me for no reason look at how scummy he is he has no reason to vote me" like you're ignoring that #122 is a thing that exists.

[NekoNekoRex]

Cool, I am glad you are at least still making an effort to make sense, Skypal, I was worried for a moment that you and Serela had devolved into only posting incomprehensible gibberish.

The Dormio vote is fair as well, Dormio's 122 is bad and feels lazy. Then again at this point I don't blame anyone who votes Sky or Serela just because both are filling the game with ridiculous posts.

[Sky_Paladin]

I am a cold emotionless robot.  That's why nobody gets me and I can never explain myself clearly. 

Dormio, your 122 contradicts your 103, in that you voted me because I didn't apply enough pressure to Serela (You init voted me because you believed I should have voted Serela and mistakenly believed I hadn't) and then in 122 you vote me because I voted Serela.  Not good. 

You apparently decided to vote me first and then went looking for a reason after the fact.  You found Rawr's little misrep. 

It's a misrep because Rawr's angling that I'm saying the lynch had to be between Mitsuki/Serela.  What I said was:

I don't believe 100% Serela is scum.  I do see Mitsuki driving activity and Serela backing away from it.  If I had to pick right now between who I'd keep in the game, I'd take Mitsuki. 

I didn't equate either of them to be definitely scum at that point in time, and this is clear from viewing the full post in context. 

You DID read the post that Rawr was quoting from, right?

[Dr Rawr]

its not misrep you actually did say you thought one or the other was scum. if you think its misrep why would you even bother saying  "If I had to pick right now between who I'd keep in the game"

[Sky_Paladin]

I didn't actually say one of them was scum and that we should lynch between them.  It's right there in the quote, right above your post. 

I said that one of them (Mitsuki) was driving activity and creating content.  The other one (Serela) was attempting to undo what little they had done and bringing nothing new to the table. 

Who would you rather keep in the game?

[Bardiche]

I've since demonstrated that Serela knowingly lied when she attempted to undo my vote.

I somehow missed this demonstration having any semblance of being true.

I am a cold emotionless robot.  That's why nobody gets me and I can never explain myself clearly. 

No one understands you because you are regrettably insane. I don't think it's getting through to you that this entire shtick of people incriminating themselves isn't working out as an angle, because you often misunderstand people. Maybe because you're a cold and emotionless robot that you have issues connecting with people, or maybe you've issues deeper than that. Whatever the case, you grossly misread stuff and present walls upon walls based on that.

All those people I'd be okay with voting, although Rawr is lower on the totem pole because d1 lurking isn't a good lynch point

Day 1 is a great time to lynch lurkers let me demonstrate.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rawr

"But Bard, what about Mitsuki?"
Gut town read.

"Are you seriously scumreading Rawr?"
No.

##Unvote
##Vote: O4rfish

Confident here though, don't like the cheerlead here. Don't like this post because of the first line, which also seems like an invitation for everyone else to look there and find something without making his own hands dirty. This too is a cheerlead. O4rfish says I'm suspiciously tolerant, likens me to a bloodhound (el oh el), but never makes his hands dirty by submitting that I'm scummy or not. He's playing it safe by sticking on a lurker vote at the start of the game and delivering short one-liners to cheerlead people, but unfortunately, like all cheerleaders, he needs to get out.

[O4rfish]

Care to provide your definition of cheerleading, and the reason why it is scummy?

[Mitsuki]

Guess what, I don't like my Serela and Bard reads anymore. lol
I'm ok with their more recent posts, specially Bard's. Well, still waiting to see more from them and to see what I think when I reread, but yeah


Also I think I'd lynch SkyPal, Dormio or Oarfish. I haven't checked properly yet but: SkyPal seems too frustrated by his Serela read and he's sort of buddying me in spite of saying I could be scum, Dormio seems to be painting SkyPal as scummy and he doesn't seem to care about the game, Oarfish seems to be painting people as scummy in this post for no good reason and I don't like the tone of his posts upon closer examination.

##unvote
##vote: Oarfish I prefer this. Oarfish > Dormio > SkyPal

I'm not sure I will be able to post more for a while (uni + meeting people), but I'll be back for before the deadline

[Mitsuki]

also @SB and Refa: we've been playing EM for an hour and you guys have been around SF mafia Skypechat for long and yet you're doing nothing? No way, step it up

[Refa]

YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO

(TL's note: YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO means OK fine, unless I fall asleep why am I up this late/early again)

[Vhaltz]

Day 1.4 - Votals
Sky_Paladin (4) - Elieson, Dr Rawr, Serela, Dormio
Dormio (4) - O4rfish, Zakeri, ActionDan, Sky_Paladin
O4rfish (2) - Bardiche, Mitsuki
Bardiche (1) - SB
Mitsuki (1) - BT
Serela (1) - NekoRex
NekoRex (1) - Refa
Not Voting: None!

You have 10 hours~ remaining in the day. With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[Serela]

Zakeri is the only person on the Dormio wagon that doesn't make me concerned about it, and even then he's just a null read. I mean, I didn't want Dormio lynched anyway, but the wagon's composition makes me uneasy. :T I can see why people are voting Dormio and they're not wrong (from what I remember), but... >.>

I'm willing to support to emerging O4rfish wagon (as implied earlier when I said I had interest in voting o4rfish) but I'm not sure whether or not I'd prefer it over SkyPal. I'm not going to be gone near deadline or anything, so I guess I'll see if it goes somewhere.

Because, yeah, it's that time of day, deadline in 10 hours so consolidation ho~

[Mitsuki]

I've just realised that I'm ok with the 3 main wagons. lol

We're still a lot of votes short and from what I've read I'd still rather lynch Oarfish so people should give their opinions on the wagons and move their votes.
Also I'd rather not have to turbo anyone this time around

[Refa]

Why are you saying I didn't have strong feelings towards Serela's new posts? Actually, what do you mean by that?

The fact that Serela didn't do anything worth pointing out with regards to his recent posts doesn't mean that his earliest posts suddenly stopped being scummy.

Exactly what I said.  I don't see how you couldn't get any reads from her later posts (I'm not saying that you should agree with my townread on her but her later content was all more telling than her earlier content), and I don't like how it was based primarily on her earlier posts (this wouldn't bother me so much if her earlier posts were really scummy, which I'm just not seeing).

Sorry for this because I know it's awful when people question your reads without believing you're scum for it, but I don't think this makes NNR scummy. How would townreading both me and the people casing me help scum!NNR? The way he went about it wasn't flashy at all and his explanation was rather simple, so I don't see the scum intent at all, not to mention scum wouldn't want to throw random townreads.

I'm townreading NNR myself because I feel his post here was good, even if there's stuff I don't agree with, and I see why he'd be like that as town.

No worries, people questioning my reads helps me reevaluate them in case I missed something on my first go around.  He wasn't townreading you and the people casing you, just saying that he was fine with your vote and the cases on you (him townreading both sides wouldn't bother me at all BTW).  It's scummy because scum wants to appear that they're contributing and ~not biased~ without drawing attention to themselves.  Commenting on both sides without having a definite opinion on either is pretty much that (it's something I did a lot as scum until I get caught on it...and then vigged, good times).

Would it be easier to explain "Between Mitsuki and Bard, I don't feel either one is scummy, and their vote reasons seem okay. One of them is wrong, but I don't know which."?
Anyway I figured out that I think Bard is more wrong then Mitsuki in any case, once Bard started going into meta and using that to question Mitsuki, I don't like meta and I don't like how Bard is using it.

...Did I just waste my time writing a paragraph explaining myself only for you to refute it (this wouldn't be bad if your explanation was bad, but it's not)?  I hate myself, dropping this point.

I thought I did but it's probably not very clear now that I think about how I presented it.
The reason for my vote is because of the set of paraphrased quotes. I don't like the way people are handling Sky Paladin and I think Dormio is the worst offender.

Thanks!  I can get where you're coming from now, even if I don't feel as strongly about it as you do (my issues with Dormio are less so his Sky Paladin case and more so that he's been kind of there in the background, which isn't a good enough basis for a scumread for me...well, at least on Day 1).

Honestly, I have a hard enough time reading people tunneling in on each other (not to mention that it drains my motivation to post like nothing else, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one here), let alone people whom I've barely ever played with before, so I'm not even going to try.  My general thoughts are that town are more likely to tunnel on each other (there are scenarios where scum would tunnel, but D1 with a bunch of vanilla townies is not one of them) than scum because town has this CONVICTION that scum blows at faking, which makes me feel less sure about my SkyPal scumread (which was mostly a sheep off of Elieson, but I'm not comfortable sheeping him anymore considering he dropped off the face of the game).  Like, the actual reasoning is still valid (and Dormio brought up some good points in his actual vote of SP), but meh...just not feeling it.  Well, not as valid actually because his reads post was legit.  It's hard to explain what you like about peoples' reads posts without being overly verbose, so let's just say that it came across as genuine and leave it at that.

I...wouldn't be opposed to a Dormio lynch because he hasn't really done anything that gives me a strong read on him despite him doing things (this is weird because he was more memorable in CYOUR), but I'd much rather lynch someone who I'm actually scumreading then just sort of meh on.  Please understand.

Mreh, I can't see Mitsuki sticking so hard to her Serela/Bard suspicions (yeah, I know that she didn't in her latest posts, but that doesn't actually refute the point that I'm making here) and making super detailed explanations for them as scum (like, either one of those individually would be believable enough, but not BOTH at the same time).  This kind of sucks though because I've been sort of dismissing Serela's later posts because of my scumread on Mitsuki, and now I have to go and analyze them again...Blargh.

In addition to what I already said about Oarfish, Bard's case is also completely sheepable (basically tied up all of the issues I already had with the slot into one case haha).


##Unvote
##Vote: Oarfish

[Refa]

PS I should be on for phase end.  Probably, no promises though depending on exactly how tired I am.  Fuck my sleep schedule.

[Mitsuki]

I was mightily annoyed that nobody considered that 117 and 120 is Serela admitting that she's scum, but w/e, we can do this the hard way too.  I'll echo SB's cut though, that I'm expecting a case on Bard.

I'm townreading SkyPal now because of this by the way, looks genuine
(still rereading)

[WHMZakeri]

The Oarfish wagon is kind of cool I guess.
But you know what's even cooler? Lynching Dormio.
I'm not making any judgement calls if you want to stay on Oarfish's wagon though.
I'm just saying that if you want to look really cool, here's a thing.