Puzzle & Dragons 19: Forever waiting for Gungho NA edition

[trancehime]

also this lucifer buff happened and is mostly bun approved

i'm more mixed on it, but it's overall a buff which is a fucking miracle given who we're talking about

the downside is that AA Lucifer is pretty much a trash-tier starter roll now.

[Chaore]

the downside is that AA Lucifer is pretty much a trash-tier starter roll now.

the community is such a toxic piece of shit no one ever rates him highly anyway what the fuck is new

certainly not that

[trancehime]

Suikama here's the Isis that was promised.

the community is such a toxic piece of shit no one ever rates him highly anyway what the fuck is new

certainly not that

if you want me to be frank about it, people still did value Morning Star as a crutch, and I don't go on many communities where that is not the prevailing opinion of AA Luci as a starter. But if you needed any confirmation that some people thought AA Luci got NERFED, this was the reason why

[O4rfish]

Now hold on; back up. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba back up.
Luci has a farmable skillup?

[Dorakyura]

Suikama here's the Isis that was promised.

Highschoolgirl Isis? I approve  :3

[trancehime]

Now hold on; back up. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba back up.
Luci has a farmable skillup?

High Dark Ninja skills up Luci yes

[Chaore]

this is gone for reasons

[O4rfish]

Well, I tried to get a dark ninja, but failed. I did get a blue jewel though, so yay?
Seems the noble dragon dungeon was made just for Lucifer.

[Suikama]

Suikama here's the Isis that was promised.

O-oh my god she's so beautiful :* :* :*

Alright Gungho you win this time rip all my stones

And she's even Water/Dark, gtfo Bodin I don't need you anymore

[Edible]

PAD needs some sort of "transmog" where you can use the art of one card, but it keeps the stats/etc. of the card you're using.  Limited to evolutions and ult evos of the same monster, of course.

I think they'd get a lot more use out of their pre-evo art if this was a thing.

[commandercool]

PAD needs some sort of "transmog" where you can use the art of one card, but it keeps the stats/etc. of the card you're using.  Limited to evolutions and ult evos of the same monster, of course.

I think they'd get a lot more use out of their pre-evo art if this was a thing.

So waifu costumes, basically?

I know I'd use Susanoo's first stage art given the choice.

[Suikama]

oh man i'm kind of conflicted now

one on hand if schoolgirl Isis is only a 4 star then that would be lame. I'm hoping they design her to be a perfect sub for Awoken Isis. She's already B/D which covers an extra color (unless awoken is B/D too...) and if her active is just her normal one then that's three 3 CD actives to keep up the valkitty engine.

but on the other hand if she's a 5 star then RIP wallet

[Jq1790]

Spoiler:

K A M U I

IT'S ABOUT TIME, JAPAN.

[The Greatest Dog]

IT'S ABOUT TIME, JAPAN.

my sarasvati is crying years of happiness

[commandercool]

It's a miracle, I got 2/2 Beyzul drops and skillups today! Quick Edible, to the REM, the curse is lifted! Wait... Never mind.

Just three more to go.

[Janitor Morgan]

Running some numbers on the Morning Star change:

Tower of Giants Gigas: needs 222 ATK to OHKO
----Level 1 AA Luci starts with 419. Yeah.
Sacred Mt. Bakkes Brachys: needs 376 ATK to OHKO
Castle of Satan Voice: needs 379 ATK to OHKO
Castle of Satan Vampire Lord: needs 1072 ATK to OHKO, or 537 ATK to 2HKO
----two level 15 AA, which isn't that far-fetched because friend leaders exist, or a single level 70 SoD
Tower of Flare Ifrit: needs 179 ATK to OHKO
Polar Night Tower Leviathan: needs 934 ATK to OHKO
----max-level +0 AA leaves it with 19144 HP. This should be easy to combo away since Leviathan has no defense.
Tower of Nature Fafnir: needs 846 ATK to OHKO
----max-level +0 AA leaves it with 1553 HP. Actually has defense but still this should be easy.
Tomb of the Saint - Deep Hades: needs 1222 ATK to *2*HKO
----don't most people suggest to run with an Odin friend here anyway if you don't have a burst lead?
----two max-level +0 SoD leaves him with 6100 HP

Fertile Land Fortoytops: needs 386 ATK to OHKO
Ice Maze Megalodran: needs 741 ATK to OHKO
----level 39 +0 AA
Blazing Highway Flare Drall: needs 637 ATK to OHKO
----level 27 +0 AA
Twilight Woods Drawn Joker: has Flash Bind (but if you have levels this should not be a problem), needs 1215 ATK to OHKO or 608 ATK to 2HKO
----two level 24 +0 AA
COSITA Echidna: needs 1073 ATK to OHKO or 538 ATK to 2HKO
COSITA Fog Chimera: needs just slightly less than Echidna
----the Flame Chimera doesn't do enough damage on its own for the binds to be an issue, especially since at this point things really should be at least evolved once
COSITA Vampire Lord: needs 1396 ATK to OHKO or 699 ATK to 2HKO
----wouldn't you focus on the Pierdras first, though?
----two level 34 +0 AA

Do some of these take a bit more effort to kill with Morning Star? Yes. Is it alarmingly high amounts of effort? Not particularly.

Will run some other dungeons' numbers in another post if people want to see them.

[OverlordChirei]

oh man i'm kind of conflicted now

one on hand if schoolgirl Isis is only a 4 star then that would be lame. I'm hoping they design her to be a perfect sub for Awoken Isis. She's already B/D which covers an extra color (unless awoken is B/D too...) and if her active is just her normal one then that's three 3 CD actives to keep up the valkitty engine.

but on the other hand if she's a 5 star then RIP wallet

On the one hand, 4 star isis means more people can submit to isis.

On the other hand, she'll probably be a 5 star, and we can have 4 star healer schoolgirls.

then i have to hyper another alraune rip

[Thaws]

oh man i'm kind of conflicted now

one on hand if schoolgirl Isis is only a 4 star then that would be lame. I'm hoping they design her to be a perfect sub for Awoken Isis. She's already B/D which covers an extra color (unless awoken is B/D too...) and if her active is just her normal one then that's three 3 CD actives to keep up the valkitty engine.

but on the other hand if she's a 5 star then RIP wallet

What if, she's the 6 star.

[Suikama]

What if, she's the 6 star.

i sell anticrystal knight for a million dollars and then give it all to gungho

seriously though that would suck D: D: D:

[hyorinryu]

i sell anticrystal knight for a million dollars and then give it all to gungho

seriously though that would suck D: D: D:

Nah man. Just have faith that your love for Isis will come through for you. Worked for me and I'm not half as devoted as you are :V

[Chaore]

Tomb of the Saint - Deep Hades: needs 1222 ATK to *2*HKO
----don't most people suggest to run with an Odin friend here anyway if you don't have a burst lead?
----two max-level +0 SoD leaves him with 6100 HP

I did this recently with a team of collab silvers, an op ice cream from baskin robins, and a lil'blue dragon just using Kirin and Goku on JP. Like, just to put it on the table how much more trivial this is to burst leads.

Overall though I agree with RDJ here, Most of the stuff in normals isn't actually threatening to Lucifer still. The problem is the buildup to do bigger things imo.

i sell anticrystal knight for a million dollars and then give it all to gungho

seriously though that would suck D: D: D:

I've theorized this might just be like the xmas rem.

[Suikama]

So everyone will basically be the same as their normal forms but just with different awakenings?

Although they have different typings than normal like L/D Luci and B/D Isis


_{also i would not look forward to skilling up another isis...}


wait what if Schoolgirl Isis is 6 star and has the same leader skill as Awoken Isis oh boyyyyy

[Chaore]

So everyone will basically be the same as their normal forms but just with different awakenings?

Although they have different typings than normal like L/D Luci and B/D Isis


_{also i would not look forward to skilling up another isis...}


wait what if Schoolgirl Isis is 6 star and has the same leader skill as Awoken Isis oh boyyyyy

I think that's somewhat a given.

The morning star buff atleast confirms that there is definitely going to be Morning Star on Prez. Luci. I'd...imagine they might mess with some other things, but overwhelmingly I believe they'll be most the same cards with some changes, like xmas rem.

[OverlordChirei]

hey suikama i got bored

[Suikama]

:V


also dammit went into Thursday mythical with the wrong team. The dungeon is actually stupidly easy now, but it's just that yellow dragon fruit is impossible to kill in two turns with an all water team and of course it's the only one that can actually kill me >_>

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Hah, I just remembered today is Thursday. Normally I'd be obsessing over trifruits and everything I needed out of them, but this is the first Thursday since literally December where I'm in no huge need of stuff from it.

[Suikama]

So I think Awoken Isis could actually be an optimal Ra sub

With a hypermaxed team of Awoken Ra, Kali, Kali, DKali, Awoken Isis, Awoken Ra, you can have a free active up 100% of the time:
Turn 1: Isis active
Turn 2: Ra1
Turn 3: Ra2
Turn 4: Isis
Turn 5: Kali1
Turn 6: Kali2
Turn 7: Isis
Turn 8: DKali
Turn 9: Ra1 is back up
Turn 10: Isis
Turn 11: Ra2
Turn 12: Kali1
Turn 13: Isis
Turn 14: Kali2
Turn 15: D Kali
Turn 16: Isis
Turn 17: Ra1 is back up again and so on

This doesn't work if Gungho messes up Isis and doesn't make her B/G or increases her active cooldown or something else dumb like that

[commandercool]

So I think Awoken Isis could actually be an optimal Ra sub

With a hypermaxed team of Awoken Ra, Kali, Kali, DKali, Awoken Isis, Awoken Ra, you can have a free active up 100% of the time:
Turn 1: Isis active
Turn 2: Ra1
Turn 3: Ra2
Turn 4: Isis
Turn 5: Kali1
Turn 6: Kali2
Turn 7: Isis
Turn 8: DKali
Turn 9: Ra1 is back up
Turn 10: Isis
Turn 11: Ra2
Turn 12: Kali1
Turn 13: Isis
Turn 14: Kali2
Turn 15: D Kali
Turn 16: Isis
Turn 17: Ra1 is back up again and so on

This doesn't work if Gungho messes up Isis and doesn't make her B/G or increases her active cooldown or something else dumb like that

I think it's going to depend on her stats to some degree how optimal she is. I think Ra is going to be more worried about tanking hits while he resets the board/stalls for a Kali active than doing a full burst every turn. Her active is obviously great for the team though, so as long as her HP is pretty good, which it probably will be especially if she's physical, she's probably great. And I am a combo idiot so maybe most people can do Ra actives consistently enough to get along with just those Kalis without every having to clean up the board or stall, I don't know.

[Suikama]

All of the other Awoken Egyptians have crazy good base stats, and Isis already actually has the highest base stat total of all the Egyptians so she should be good.


Also dammit I should have rolled during Egypt 2.0 for Nephtys

Awoken Isis, Schoolgirl Isis, Neps, and Nut, holy shit we got the whole family best team ever

[O4rfish]

They'd be missing a trick not to have Imouto Nephthys in there. Actually, they could even put the normal one in the schoolgirl REM.