Author Topic: Hatate Quest Nelja  (Read 97891 times)

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #630 on: December 22, 2015, 03:44:48 AM »
>"Is it...good for what's-her-name to just leave him here, though?"

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« Reply #631 on: December 22, 2015, 04:49:16 AM »
>"Is it...good for what's-her-name to just leave him here, though?"

>Celes frowns. "I am not certain." she admits after a moment. "My fellows and I have discussed that at length, and even Tsumiko herself isn't sure what the consequences would be to her if she was profoundly separated from one of her Spirits."
>"However, I do believe that he would cause more harm to our efforts than good. Not the least reason being that to win him over to our side, we would need to separate him from the fabric of this world as we did with Aya. He would find a way to revenge that loss upon us. And that's assuming we could win him over in the first place, a prospect I find highly dubious."
>"Can't you just beat some sense into him?" Aya asks her. "It works for Reimu."
>Celes concedes, "It is possible. However, in his current situation, we would have to fight our way through the residents of the Scarlet Devil Manor before getting to him. I'm sure Reimu would be able to do that, but I am not as confidant in our ability to match her."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #632 on: December 22, 2015, 01:32:28 PM »
>"I still think we just burn it down, then hit them when they are distracted dealing with it, or afterward when its gone and they're homeless. It'll just take good planning."
>"Actually. Couldn't we just appeal to his, uh, sense of greed with the fakeness of it all? I mean, one real coin's better than all the fake stuff in the world."

Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #633 on: December 22, 2015, 07:24:53 PM »
>"I still think we just burn it down, then hit them when they are distracted dealing with it, or afterward when its gone and they're homeless. It'll just take good planning."

>"Too much risk for not enough reward. I admit, Greed is extremely intelligent and crafty. If he was on our side, I have no doubt he would have ideas that would not occur to any of us. But I believe the most practical thing to do would be to leave him where he is. The others outside the book can retreive him at their leisure, assuming Tsumiko wants him back at all."

>"Actually. Couldn't we just appeal to his, uh, sense of greed with the fakeness of it all? I mean, one real coin's better than all the fake stuff in the world."

>"To you and I, yes. But Greed doesn't see things the way you and I do. He is more than just mindless avarice, yes, but desire is still his primary drive. He craves like others breathe. This place, this book, gives him something he'd never have normally: Everything he ever wanted at his fingertips, just for the asking. In our world, he'd always be limited, either by Tsumiko or whoever else he was possessing at the time. This place has no limits."
>"Yes it does." Aya cuts in. "It does have limits. US. WE'RE limits to the power of this book. It has to put time and effort into us, and that's less time it can give to Greed." She grins that irritatingly smug grin of hers. "We can have it both ways. If Hatate can convince him to help us get out, then he'd have the book all to himself. Well yeah, he'd still have to share it with Ran, Alice and Marisa, but that wasn't a problem before."
>"Wait a minute." Momiji says. "Why Hatate?"
>Aya folds her arms. "Well, it was her idea."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #634 on: December 22, 2015, 07:26:18 PM »
>"Can't blame her for nominating the best, can you? And I'm not ready to write off the others yet."

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« Reply #635 on: December 22, 2015, 07:46:20 PM »
>"Can't blame her for nominating the best, can you? And I'm not ready to write off the others yet."

>"I can maybe see getting Ran over to our side." says Aya. "But if I read Celes right, I doubt we've really got a chance with Marisa and Alice."
>"What makes you so sure?" Momiji asks her.
>Celes answers, "This book gave them a child. To convince them to leave, we'd have to convince them to give up their daughter."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #636 on: December 23, 2015, 05:04:19 AM »
>"Or find a way to bring her along. I mean, if the kid is part youkai, then it's definitely a thing we can do."

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« Reply #637 on: December 23, 2015, 05:53:32 PM »
>"Or find a way to bring her along. I mean, if the kid is part youkai, then it's definitely a thing we can do."

>"On the contrary. It is something that has a slim chance of even being possible. I don't know if the book created her, or if it gave them the ability to biologically produce a child. Such things are possible for his traps, yes. But either way, she came about as a result of this world. She's just a character in it. She can't exist beyond the fabric of this world's magic."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #638 on: December 23, 2015, 07:43:54 PM »
>"That's what you would have said about Ranka like an hour ago."

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« Reply #639 on: December 23, 2015, 08:53:07 PM »
>"That's what you would have said about Ranka like an hour ago."

>Celes gives the wind spirit a sad look. "I still would." she says quietly.

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« Reply #640 on: December 23, 2015, 09:09:50 PM »
>"Youkai need you to believe in them, Celes. That's why there's a Gensokyo to start with, you know?"

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« Reply #641 on: December 23, 2015, 10:03:37 PM »
>"Youkai need you to believe in them, Celes. That's why there's a Gensokyo to start with, you know?"

>"Hatate, I have been dealing with traps such as this one since before you were born." the stewart says sympathetically. "And not once has anything produced by the trap been successfully taken out of it. I grant, Ranka is fairly unique in that regard, but I simply don't believe it's possible for her to leave this book, anymore than Alice and Marisa's daughter. All my experience tells me otherwise."
>"But that does not mean there is no hope." Liluye puts in. "Even with a trap created by a vampire like that one, there is still hope. The magic of this book is strange and, in its own way, wonderous."
>"Be that as it may, Liluye, I've seen too much to hope for that. Escape, yes, that I can hope for. But for the book to produce a true life?" She shakes her head sadly.

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #642 on: December 24, 2015, 05:16:36 AM »
>"Not much different than how most youkai are born. And maybe you're older than me, but that's because you spent like a century asleep? What I can say is that I've been in Gensokyo a whole lot longer than you, and know a bunch more about youkai, because it's my job. Trust me, it'll work. But you being all negative about it isn't going to help, because youkai need people to believe in them."

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« Reply #643 on: December 24, 2015, 05:32:36 AM »
>"Not much different than how most youkai are born. And maybe you're older than me, but that's because you spent like a century asleep? What I can say is that I've been in Gensokyo a whole lot longer than you, and know a bunch more about youkai, because it's my job. Trust me, it'll work. But you being all negative about it isn't going to help, because youkai need people to believe in them."

>"What you call negativity is simple realism. I do not disbelieve in miracles; the Countess herself is one, in her own way. As is Gensokyo. But I cannot believe this book would produce a miracle where not one of his other traps have."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #644 on: December 24, 2015, 03:21:21 PM »
>"Well, you're kinda making the mistake in assuming this is anything like the other situations, aren't you? We already have more people here, for example, than you'd have in your experiments. Second, there wasn't even a Gensokyo for very long, if  at all, when you would have been doing most of them, given you guys woke up about a month ago?"

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« Reply #645 on: December 24, 2015, 08:04:53 PM »
>"Well, you're kinda making the mistake in assuming this is anything like the other situations, aren't you? We already have more people here, for example, than you'd have in your experiments. Second, there wasn't even a Gensokyo for very long, if  at all, when you would have been doing most of them, given you guys woke up about a month ago?"

>"On the contrary. He's made traps that have held more than 20 souls at once in fantasy worlds like this one. And yes, the real Gensokyo did exist at the time, and had for centuries. We took the Keep away from him in the year 1792, and we started work on releasing his imprisoned souls the next year."
>"Why the gap?" Momiji asks her.
>"That is a very long story. To try and make it short, we were trapped in another dimension for a time after his defeat."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #646 on: December 24, 2015, 08:27:21 PM »
(Oh, are we ignoring the thing where Gensokyo was canonically established in the 19th century? My bad!)

>"Huh, what was that like?"

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« Reply #647 on: December 24, 2015, 08:35:41 PM »
(Oh, are we ignoring the thing where Gensokyo was canonically established in the 19th century? My bad!)

>"Huh, what was that like?"

(Um.... Now that you mention, I think I actually said the same thing myself earlier in the game, didn't I?)
(A brief pause while I check.)

Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #648 on: December 24, 2015, 09:21:56 PM »
I have resolved the matter. I'm not sure what canon sources say, but within this canon, The Hakurei Barrier was indeed erected in the 19th century. Towards the end of it, according to the reply to a question asked last year. (God, this game's run long) However, the region known as Gensokyo has existed for at least eleven centuries, mentioned in a post all the way back in thread one. Which I had, admittedly, at least patrially forgotten.

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« Reply #649 on: December 24, 2015, 10:42:08 PM »
(IN TOPIC BUT OUT ROLEPLAY)Long time no see and a Wonderful Christmas and Nativity with all its celebrations to all of MotK. :).I am thinkin' o' joining again on Hatate 4/nelj?(Finnish,ahah) when I'll  be inspired to write good roleplay to add to the already peachy story. I Hope for a swarm of dedicated players  ;)
I have resolved the matter. I'm not sure what canon sources say, but within this canon, The Hakurei Barrier was indeed erected in the 19th century...  However, the region known as Gensokyo has existed for at least eleven centuries...
(IN TOPIC BUT OUT ROLEPLAY) Be proud and serene,Sour.In fact  you have drawn  time-zones from Touhou Canon.Here's a fun and inspirational   Updated Referenced Timeline    Completely in-rail with it both on Barrier-Gensokyo being of the end of 19th Century(1884-1885)and Region-Gensokyo  at least 11 centuries if not even more;probably when the first beings and objects of Illusions, Apparitions ,Youkai in a wide sense  were born. Enough writing , have at thee Quest!.
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« Reply #650 on: December 25, 2015, 02:25:19 AM »
(IN TOPIC BUT OUT ROLEPLAY)Long time no see and a Wonderful Christmas and Nativity with all its celebrations to all of MotK. :).I am thinkin' o' joining again on Hatate 4/nelj?(Finnish,ahah) when I'll  be inspired to write good roleplay to add to the already peachy story. I Hope for a swarm of dedicated players  ;)(IN TOPIC BUT OUT ROLEPLAY) Be proud and serene,Sour.In fact  you have drawn  time-zones from Touhou Canon.Here's a fun and inspirational   Updated Referenced Timeline    Completely in-rail with it both on Barrier-Gensokyo being of the end of 19th Century(1884-1885)and Region-Gensokyo  at least 11 centuries if not even more;probably when the first beings and objects of Illusions, Apparitions ,Youkai in a wide sense  were born. Enough writing , have at thee Quest!.

Happy to see you again, Branneg, and a Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
You feel free to join back into the story here whenever you wish.

>"Huh, what was that like?"

>"It was a... difficult period." Celes says after searching for the right word. "That transitory dimension was not as bountiful as the Earth. Nor were its inhabitants as peaceful. Their minds were drastically different than that of earths. I made the mistake of trying to ride one, and it was a very uncomfortable experience. If you'd like, I'd be happy to tell you that whole story, and you as well, Ms. Shameimaru, at a more opportune time."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #651 on: December 25, 2015, 03:57:06 PM »
>Nod.
>"Yeah, that'd be good. Anyways. Let's say we can't convince Marisa and Alice to come with us, and can't convince them they can bring their kid. What then? Stuff 'em in a bag while they're asleep and drag 'em with us?"

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« Reply #652 on: December 25, 2015, 05:17:15 PM »
>Nod.
>"Yeah, that'd be good. Anyways. Let's say we can't convince Marisa and Alice to come with us, and can't convince them they can bring their kid. What then? Stuff 'em in a bag while they're asleep and drag 'em with us?"

>"It may indeed come to that." Celes concedes. "However, at this point, I don't believe that will be necessary. I have seen enough of this trap to see that it isn't as lethal as some of his others. We could make our escape, and take what we have learned to Patchouli and Setsuka outside. It may help them release Ran and the others in a safer manner than we might manage. They will not be lost in that time."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #653 on: December 25, 2015, 10:51:06 PM »
>"Honestly, I think they'd be happier with just being kidnapped. Also don't really trust that time difference thing, either."

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« Reply #654 on: December 26, 2015, 12:58:02 AM »
>"Honestly, I think they'd be happier with just being kidnapped. Also don't really trust that time difference thing, either."

>"Howso?"

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #655 on: December 26, 2015, 07:21:05 AM »
>"Kidnapping the more proper way gives them time to start coping, you know? They're readied for it, rather than just being suddenly ripped out and it's all done."

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« Reply #656 on: December 26, 2015, 07:23:45 PM »
>"Kidnapping the more proper way gives them time to start coping, you know? They're readied for it, rather than just being suddenly ripped out and it's all done."

>"I'm sorry, I meant to ask about the time differential you mentioned." Celes clarifies.

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #657 on: December 26, 2015, 11:05:35 PM »
>"Oh, that. Well, let's say it takes five hours after we leave to fish them out. That's still however many months here, if not more. Which is kind of a problem for Marisa, since she's human and all."

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« Reply #658 on: December 26, 2015, 11:23:00 PM »
>"Oh, that. Well, let's say it takes five hours after we leave to fish them out. That's still however many months here, if not more. Which is kind of a problem for Marisa, since she's human and all."

>"Time is not constant here." Liluye informs you. "Its flow differs from person to person. Real person, that is."

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Re: Hatate Quest Nelja
« Reply #659 on: December 27, 2015, 11:19:15 AM »
>"Inconsistant means it's worse! It could be years for them. And how do you even know that?"