Author Topic: Draft Mafia - Game Over (Read 67783 times)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #210 on:** February 08, 2015, 07:25:56 AM »

OK. I'm upgrading my vote from 'Apply pressure to possible lurkscum player' to:

Rawr is scum for everything Bard outlined in his first case,
+ an OMGUS vote at the start of day 2
+ failing to substantiate or support his vote
+ defending his actions apparently involves flailing around and saying whatever things he wishes and refusing to clarify.
+ keeps talking about the 'scum agenda' and what scum want to do without substantiating why he thinks/knows it.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #211 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:44:53 AM »

Are you sure you aren't just voting him because he's making what you see as a bad case on you, because that's how your response comes off to me. >_>
I guess it doesn't matter much. Reading over it your case is pretty good, I don't think you've ever had a high opinion of Dan so I can't see how his nightkill would implicate you either. (Rawr is more likely to get killed for the weirdness :] )

I mean, the alternative is that Mitsuki and Bardiche are having a scum pajama party and just high-fiving each other in the scuum QT endlessly because i really can't see scum feeling like they have to do much when this is a five-page game. Its pretty worrying that everyone I would consider high priority lived (Cf7 is not exacctly at the top of the kill list either sorry bro). But Bard just feels interested in solving things and i like the way zakky-chan sounds. Also since no one seems interested in claiming im just going to drop it, it's not that important right now anyways. (probably doesn't matter since we didn't figure it out ahead of time.)

I'm kind of confused I had a chance to replace in in the first place, having looked at the ruleset. >_>

SB · « **Reply #212 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:55:23 AM »

Votecount 2.2
Dr Rawr (2): Bard, Sky Paladin
Zakeri (1): Mitsuki
Bard (1): Zakeri
Sky Paladin (1): Dr Rawr

Not Voting (2): Shadoweh, Raikaria

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. You have 32.5 hours left in the phase. A hammer is required to lynch.

Raikaria has limited access over the weekend.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #213 on:** February 08, 2015, 12:10:11 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki 203

I don't see how a few posts with opinions wouldn't be enough to begin to figure out what she's thinking.

Zakeri selectively tries to dissuade a townread on someone he has no read on.

and he doesn't give a real explanation on why my townread would be wrong.

What? What opinions?
All of her opinions as of those two posts were stuff she could have said during pre-game and commenting on Dan being the weird choice for nightkill.
No one should have any opinion on her.

And why are you suggesting I'm picky with "Proper" reads? There's also not a lot of dissuading I need to do at the moment, since the only votes on not-my-suspects are yours on me for being passive, and Rawr's on sky for inadequetly-explained-reason-that-will-probably-get-him-lynched-anyway. Not to mention, I was dissuading a townread on somebody who was still one of the people I didn't think was town.

When I think of potential reasons for Dan being the target, there's one that comes to mind that suggests at least one of Mitsuki and Shadoweh must be town. I can't say I believe it whole-heartedly, though.

Speaking of Shadoweh and votecounts: Who would you be voting for Shadoweh?

Bardiche · « **Reply #214 on:** February 08, 2015, 12:34:03 PM »

It's pathetic that we're nearly two days into Day 2, and there are still people who get by with having made no contributions to scumhunting.

It's also pathetic that this is Day 2 and Raikaria is swinging by without contributing again.

I'd rather play with Serela than any of you, this is retarded.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #215 on:** February 08, 2015, 12:49:02 PM »

Serela may not make these games worth it, but at least he makes them fun.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #216 on:** February 08, 2015, 05:48:49 PM »

Quote from: Sage Zakeri on February 08, 2015, 12:10:11 PM

What? What opinions?
All of her opinions as of those two posts were stuff she could have said during pre-game and commenting on Dan being the weird choice for nightkill.
No one should have any opinion on her.

Meh, I guess it's not "opinions" really and more that it gives off a town feeling for some reason I can't explain. Still don't like dismissing reads for no good reason, specially when you find gut a valid tell yourself.

Quote from: Sage Zakeri on February 08, 2015, 12:10:11 PM

And why are you suggesting I'm picky with "Proper" reads? There's also not a lot of dissuading I need to do at the moment, since the only votes on not-my-suspects are yours on me for being passive, and Rawr's on sky for inadequetly-explained-reason-that-will-probably-get-him-lynched-anyway. Not to mention, I was dissuading a townread on somebody who was still one of the people I didn't think was town.

I don't think you understood what I meant.
Scum don't like townreads on town since those make it easier to PoE them as scum, so they'll go and dissuade them. You went ahead and dissuaded a townread. Sure, town can also do that. The reason why I think your read comes from scum is that there was no real reason on why you'd discredit my Shadoweh townread as town, so it makes me think you're scum.
Also there's no way I'm voting you for being passive, I'm voting you for adding fluff to your posts, not being involved in the game (which involves being passive, but it's not the same) and selectively dissuading townreads. Some of those points are also backed up with meta.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #217 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:17:09 PM »

I'm not going to shift my vote. Rawr can answer fairly basic questions about his vote and his thoughts this game.

We find mafia through discussion. If we don't hold people accountable for their discussion, then there's no point having discussion. If we're not having discussion then there's no game.

Shadoweh do you exist. I seem to have missed you giving any indication who you think might be scum.

Do we need a phase extension?

SB · « **Reply #218 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:20:55 PM »

There are 22 hours left. Votes haven't changed.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #219 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:38:42 PM »

@Mitsuki

I'm probably not going to vote Zak in the short term because it seems it's mostly you responding to his /gut on day 1. Which to be fair was pretty awful. I'm kind of holding you responsible for the sudden wagon and death of Dormio so I'm a little mistrustful of your decision to pick up Zak. If I missed some important detail please clarify. I feel his vote on Bard post was reasonable.

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I don't like how Zakeri selectively tries to dissuade a townread on someone he has no read on.

I don't think that's what happened, to me it looked like "How can anybody give a town read on Shadoweh when she's posted so little content" and calling in to question you handing out town reads. We had this discussion on day 1 though so I won't do it again now. Other than Zak, who do you think is scum? I think you've townread myself, Bard, Raikaria, and Shadoweh now. So that kind of leaves Rawr and Zak as your scum picks. Am I mistaken?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #220 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:41:00 PM »

@Bard

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I'd rather play with Serela than any of you, this is retarded.

Quit complaining and do something about it. Ask pressing questions on players you think are hiding. Vote the one you hate the most. Invite others to do the same.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #221 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:43:17 PM »

I realise my Mitsuki comment is ambiguous;

Mitsuki voted Dormio as a late day 1 OMGUS. It seems her vote on Zak is a day 2 OMGUS. If she is only playing by gut, and her gut was shown to not be an absolute arbitrator of justice, then I am not inclined to trust that gut.

Bardiche · « **Reply #222 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 10:41:00 PM

@Bard

Quit complaining and do something about it. Ask pressing questions on players you think are hiding. Vote the one you hate the most. Invite others to do the same.

I'm voting the one I hate the most and you guys should do the same. When part of the players have deigned not to even bother with opinions (Shadoweh+Raikaria), and the other part deigns to live in vacuum and go all "lalala~" and pretend there isn't a Day 2 (Zakeri, DrRawr), it becomes difficult to decide one way or the other.

Hey, DrRawr, claim with what action you targeted ActionDan last night, kthx.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #223 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:50:48 PM »

you could say i AXEDtion dan

Bardiche · « **Reply #224 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:51:12 PM »

There we go, Rawr admitted to being Scum. Can we lynch him now?

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #225 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:51:55 PM »

could i get a cup of sugar first?

Bardiche · « **Reply #226 on:** February 08, 2015, 10:59:39 PM »

No, go vote yourself so we can lynch you and end this horribly lethargic Day. Then string up your partner Day 3.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #227 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:01:19 PM »

Dammit I was this close to gambiting Rawr instead of posting what I did before. But I decided NO WE SHOULD DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND NO LIES THIS GAME pffffffff.

Bardiche · « **Reply #228 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 11:01:19 PM

Dammit I was this close to gambiting Rawr instead of posting what I did before. But I decided NO WE SHOULD DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND NO LIES THIS GAME pffffffff.

So, what, you're admitting to being Rawr's scumbuddy?

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #229 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:03:13 PM »

gj sky paladin

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #230 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:05:29 PM »

lol in hindsight that looks hilariously bad.

No, in my previous two games I played before here on mafiascum, on day 2 pseudo/hypo claimed cop and then doc. Ultimately it resulted in mafia getting caught and a win for town, but I copped a lot of flak from other players. I decided to avoid doing it this game because the player base is much smaller here and I remember how much crap Schezo got into back when he blew up NNR.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #231 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:06:00 PM »

##Vote: DrRawr

Bardiche · « **Reply #232 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:07:41 PM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on February 08, 2015, 11:03:13 PM

gj sky paladin

I don't think you have a lot of room to talk considering you folded to the last guy to draft asking you what you did last night. I mean, you don't honestly believe I'm the Tracker and that no one picked that role, right?

Bardiche · « **Reply #233 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:08:22 PM »

But hey, a guilty admission is a guilty admission, I'll take it.

Sky Pal, you should bullshit if it gets results. Unless Rawr is a lying Townie in which case he should just be banned from playing Mafia.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #234 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:08:33 PM »

im pretty sure with you being neighbor nothing is safe to claim

Bardiche · « **Reply #235 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:12:00 PM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on February 08, 2015, 11:08:33 PM

im pretty sure with you being neighbor nothing is safe to claim

So you guys did cop my role, huh. I guess we're stringing up Zakeri next since he alluded to it here:

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...Why do I suddenly get the feeling the Shadoweh and Bardiche are having private times right now?

Bardiche · « **Reply #236 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:12:14 PM »

Good, we solved the game! GG.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #237 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:14:26 PM »

Oh. That looks pretty open and shut.

Good job Bard. Sorry I gave you a tough time on day 1. I just thought you, Mitsuki, and Raikaria were all scum. Nothing personal.

Bardiche · « **Reply #238 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:18:12 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 11:14:26 PM

Oh. That looks pretty open and shut.

Good job Bard. Sorry I gave you a tough time on day 1. I just thought you, Mitsuki, and Raikaria were all scum. Nothing personal.

Not really "good job Bard", my neighbour assisted a lot. We had a lot of talks at the start of the Day so I'm super happy with who my neighbour turned out to be.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #239 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:18:36 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 10:38:42 PM

I'm kind of holding you responsible for the sudden wagon and death of Dormio so I'm a little mistrustful of your decision to pick up Zak.

Yeah well I thought he was scum and I didn't want him to be lynched so I think I did the right thing. Also it's totally Dormio's fault for "not caring" about mafia in an active way. I try to look for people's intentions, and Dormio definitely didn't have the intention of helping his alignment. What do you want me to do about people playing for something other than to win?

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 10:38:42 PM

I don't think that's what happened, to me it looked like "How can anybody give a town read on Shadoweh when she's posted so little content" and calling in to question you handing out town reads.

No, he didn't find me scummy/townie for my read, he just tried to discredit the read itself. Leaving aside how good/bad it is, do you see this game's Zakeri trying to get people to read other people properly? I don't. So my conclusion is that he was trying to keep the pool of suspicious people from becoming smaller, so as to avoid being PoE'd as scum.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 10:38:42 PM

Other than Zak, who do you think is scum? I think you've townread myself, Bard, Raikaria, and Shadoweh now. So that kind of leaves Rawr and Zak as your scum picks. Am I mistaken?

Man, I said I thought Rawr was scum at the beginning of the day. I'm townreading everyone else anyways, so yeah.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 08, 2015, 10:43:17 PM

Mitsuki voted Dormio as a late day 1 OMGUS. It seems her vote on Zak is a day 2 OMGUS. If she is only playing by gut, and her gut was shown to not be an absolute arbitrator of justice, then I am not inclined to trust that gut.

SkyPal, OMGUS means voting someone just because they voted you. I never did that, and I'm also not only playing by gut. Are you reading my posts?
Anyways you should find scum by yourself, not by someone else's reads.

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WAIT HOW IS THE GAME SUDDENLY SOLVED