Author Topic: Draft Mafia - Game Over (Read 67759 times)

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #150 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:00:30 PM »

Mitsuki: I could vote Dormio only from the basis that his votes so far have been very minimum effort. I do feel Raikaria is a better lynch than Dormio. Especially this close to deadline.

His vote on you is at least consistent, he has disliked both you and I for the whole phase and he didn't wagon hop earlier when it would have been easier to do so. I'm too exhausted to re-read properly. I'd vote if there was no other viable wagon to secure a lynch but that's about it; and I think at this stage it's a choice between you and Raikaria.

In any case I can't stay up any later, so I'll have to vote now.

##unvote
##vote Raikaria

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #151 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:04:20 PM »

Tallies haven't been posted in a while so

Mitsuki (4): CF7, Zakeri, Rawr, Dormio L-1
Raikaria (3): Dan, Bard, Sky L-2
Bard (1): Raikaria
Dormio (1) Mitsuki

Mitsuki · « **Reply #152 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:07:09 PM »

@mod requesting extension, it's only fair since MotK hasn't been working properly today (not for me, but for other people) and it didn't work two days ago as well (Tuesday morning). There's also the confusion going on with the time that there is left in the phase.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #153 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:07:38 PM »

Ummm

If you want to lynch Raikaria you need to do it before he hammers Mitsuki. Since all the players voting Mitsuki are afk.

Bardiche · « **Reply #154 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:08:34 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 05, 2015, 02:58:25 PM

I'm not sure I follow Bardiche's logic on claiming/not claiming so I'll just ask: Bardiche, will it change anything for you if I claim? Will it serve some purpose? Obviously I won't just claim but also explain my logic on my pick. I'm not vanilla, anyways (wow, what a surprise).

My logic is thus:

Assume Vanilla!Mitsuki who picked JoAT.

If you claim, "I picked JoAT" and flip Vanilla, Scum now knows CF7's role.
If you claim, "I got Vanilla" and flip Vanilla, Scum still does not know what CF7's role is.

Therefore, it is beneficial not to claim your pick but what you got.

Re: Dormio. I've not paid much attention to him since he voted Raikaria and stuck to that. Your beef with Dormio seems to be similar to your beef with mine, though I agree with him that roles mean jack as far as determining alignment goes. Basically, roles are WIFOM this game due to its particular nature.

Therefore, even if you claimed, it would not change my opinion on you.

His vote on you is something I am curious about because while he telegraphed it, I don't understand the reasons at all, especially since a Raikaria lynch was still in the realm of possibilities. Is still, even.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #155 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:17:56 PM »

@Bardiche: I don't think that my cases on you and on Dormio are very similar, they're actually completely different. Disregard what I said about his Raikaria vote, that is a different matter, and see how I comment on his vote on me in this post.

@Sky Paladin: I won't vote Raikaria not even for not-me-over-me since there's not enough support for his lynch. I just want an extension so that we may sort this mess out.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #156 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:19:08 PM »

also @Bardiche if I was vanilla I'd know CF7's role anyways. I'm second on the draft list.

Bardiche · « **Reply #157 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:26:06 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 05, 2015, 03:17:56 PM

@Bardiche: I don't think that my cases on you and on Dormio are very similar, they're actually completely different. Disregard what I said about his Raikaria vote, that is a different matter, and see how I comment on his vote on me in this post.

I had to read that three times to acquire clarity. I have similar concerns about his lack of reasoning and he doesn't emerge squeaky-clean out of it. Mrf.

I'd rather not hammer Mitsuki at this time. When I accept the explanation that Mitsuki did not intend to defend Sky Paladin and earnestly just believes he's normally a bit anti-town, I feel like the rest is unimportant. I may have kneejerked my reaction and was wrong, I am sorry.

Thinking more on Dormio.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #158 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:28:16 PM »

I should probably explain better what I meant by Dormio's comment on roles. You got a scumread and they picked a protown role? Sure, it may not change anything. But if you say you don't mind a lynch (which he said here) and you don't really have logic on them but then that player claims a PR you'll want to go and consider voting someone else, since you're implying your suspicion isn't very strong. The fact that Dormio doesn't care about that and votes me after I hint towards having a PR reads as scum ignoring the facts to lynch a PR.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #159 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:28:44 PM »

Rightyo. My vote on Raikaria that I agonized over apparently does nothing since we couldn't lynch him unless he self voted. I just wasted the last hour.

I hope we do get a phase extension. But we probably won't and I would hate this to either be a lynch of Mitsuki with four players away, or a no lynch.

Bard, we probably can't get a lynch on Raikaria. You're like my arch nemesis in this game. What do you want to do? Mitsuki wants a Dormio lynch. You think I'm scum. Can you two agree on something (ideally not lycnh Sky) for me to sheep because I have to sleep and I have a vote to help with.

Like, I have to sleep. I'm exhausted. I just want to vote and bed. I'll sheep if you two can agree on something. Because I figure you can't both be scum.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #160 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:32:05 PM »

Sky vote Dormio (owo)/

also @Bardiche I have trouble explaining myself so welp. If you find anything I said confusing, tell me and I'll try to clarify it.

Bardiche · « **Reply #161 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:38:44 PM »

I re-read his posts, and a few things jump out at me:

1) Why Me instead of Not Me? is a defence I dislike. That it came so early in the game is grounds to dislike it even further. I feel like he's putting too much emphasis on CF7's vote being on him but not someone else. "Don't look at me, look at others who do the same!" is how I read it. The last time I saw it it came from Scum, so that paints the rest of my re-read.

2) I realise that Dormio exhibited the same failure to scumread that I accused others of. The blurb on Raikaria boils down to mean exactly nothing and is empty content. A lot of words boil down to, "I read him as null".

3) Mitsuki's right: Dormio never quantifies why he's suspicious of Mitsuki, but makes a deliberate choice to stay on Raikaria over Mitsuki, only to change that around with no explanation in any direction. Worse, there's nothing on Raikaria's posts at all, and no attempt to convince anyone to vote in the same direction.

I'm not too bothered by his vote on Raikaria, but I feel like he could've put more effort to get a lynch in that direction.

Cut by posts. I disagree that Raikaria can't be lynched. There's still three votes on Mitsuki's wagon that can be subjected to I Changed My Mind.
Mitsuki, we can clear up any remaining confusion tomorrow.

Let's lynch Sky Paladin.

Bardiche · « **Reply #162 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:38:57 PM »

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Mitsuki · « **Reply #163 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:49:15 PM »

I can't really talk for what I'll be thinking tomorrow but more content to analyze and to discuss will be cool.

Also if Dormio does indeed flip scum then Bardiche isn't scum by any means. From what I've seen in his meta Bardiche doesn't tend to bus his buddies, so I don't think he'd go out of his way to superbus him at the last minute. That's a move that not even SB would be capable of doing, and that's saying a lot.

@Raikaria: Bardiche lynch isn't possible anymore and you're townreading me, so you should go ahead and vote Dormio as well.
Same goes for SkyPal. If he finally fell asleep I swear to god

ActionDan · « **Reply #164 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:52:02 PM »

I am here. I would vote dormio over mitsuki but only if raikaria can't be lynched

Mitsuki · « **Reply #165 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:57:44 PM »

I don't think there's enough support for a Raikaria lynch, and in any case he could always go ahead and vote me for not-me-over-me since I'm still sitting at L-1.
What do you think of Dormio?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #166 on:** February 05, 2015, 03:57:59 PM »

OK

##unvote
##vote Dormio

BTW Just troll success, I was like mrglrglRAGE and then scrolled on.

ActionDan · « **Reply #167 on:** February 05, 2015, 04:04:14 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 05, 2015, 03:57:44 PM

I don't think there's enough support for a Raikaria lynch, and in any case he could always go ahead and vote me for not-me-over-me since I'm still sitting at L-1.
What do you think of Dormio?

Neutral

ActionDan · « **Reply #168 on:** February 05, 2015, 04:09:45 PM »

Raikaria gets to make the choice anyway lol. What a day its been.

##unvote
##vote Dormio

SB · « **Reply #169 on:** February 05, 2015, 05:38:22 PM »

Votecount 1.6
Mitsuki (4): CF7, Zakeri, Dr Rawr, Dormio (L-1!)
Dormio (4): Mitsuki, Bard, Sky Paladin, ActionDan (L-1!)
Bard (1): Raikaria

Not Voting (0): None!

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have 2.5 hours left in the phase. A hammer is required to lynch.

Considering site problems/CF7 maybe needing a sub I'd be willing to give an extension if people want it.

Raikaria · « **Reply #170 on:** February 05, 2015, 05:56:58 PM »

I'd rather vote someone doing nothing than someone doing something who I don't have a particular scumread on.

I'll hammer Dormio if it comes to it over Mitsuki.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #171 on:** February 05, 2015, 06:07:39 PM »

Eh, I get Dormio has recently voted but he hasn't really given the reasoning behind his vote. How is that better than other people? Who would you rather lynch than Dormio?

Raikaria · « **Reply #172 on:** February 05, 2015, 06:24:32 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 05, 2015, 06:07:39 PM

Eh, I get Dormio has recently voted but he hasn't really given the reasoning behind his vote. How is that better than other people? Who would you rather lynch than Dormio?

Aside from Bard?

Dormio's pretty much tied number 2 with the other people not doing much of note [Read: Not Mitsuki; Sky; Zak or Bard].

I want to give Dormio time to defend himself. We all know how ED1 flashwagons tend to go, especially if it's on someone I don't read well. [I don't read Dormio AWFULLY either]

Raikaria · « **Reply #173 on:** February 05, 2015, 06:25:12 PM »

Basically every coin has two sides; before I decide which side I think is the best bet, I'd like to know what Dormio has to say.

SB · « **Reply #174 on:** February 05, 2015, 07:21:54 PM »

Less than 55 minutes left!

Raikaria · « **Reply #175 on:** February 05, 2015, 07:23:16 PM »

And I'm watching TV in a few mins so I'm hammering now.

I'm also crossing my fingers.

#Unvote
#Vote: Dormio

SB · « **Reply #176 on:** February 05, 2015, 07:29:37 PM »

Phase end.

Dormio, Town Jack of all Trades, was lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1. Deadline is in 24 hours.

SB · « **Reply #177 on:** February 06, 2015, 08:15:54 PM »

Sorry for being kind of late.

ActionDan, Vanilla Townie, was killed Night 1.

It is now Day 2. Deadline is in 72 hours. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

SB · « **Reply #178 on:** February 06, 2015, 08:45:28 PM »

Shadoweh subs in for CF7, effective immediately.

Bardiche · « **Reply #179 on:** February 06, 2015, 10:06:11 PM »

##Vote: Shadoweh