Author Topic: Draft Mafia - Game Over (Read 67359 times)

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #360 on:** February 14, 2015, 03:33:43 PM »

It takes three votes to Hammer. We're not in quicklynch reach yet.
That said, That reasoning supports the flow of Sky not being able to say half the things he has said as scum. He was committed to the a rolecop claim after Bard had suggested making use of faking out scum, and that claim would have forced Scum!Shadoweh to tell the truth even if she thought to counterclaim Mitsuki.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #361 on:** February 14, 2015, 11:51:44 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 14, 2015, 01:36:31 PM

Can you imagine what today would look like if Shadoweh had said "No, I am the tracker, and I tracked Zakeri, who went nowhere. Mitsuki is lying!" They'd countervote right off the bat, and you and I would be forced to choose between them, with the first one to blink and vote deciding the game. Shadoweh could easily lie and say she's done plenty of scumhunting in the QT and we have no way of knowing the truth.

That is what I assume Shadoweh was inferring when she posted, "Tch, I told you it would have been cooler". I'm guessing Shadoweh proposed something like "Let's say that you're the doc and I'm the tracker" in the QT.

No, that's not what I proposed at all. I suggested I should be protecting Bard instead of Mitsuki last night because scum don't like to fail to kill the same person twice. Actually I'd say I was fairly active in the QT, just bringing it up would be annoying for half the voting public that matters. The main reason I honestly believe you're scum is you're the only plausable target left. I don't actually like fakeclaiming for no reason? Like, what purpose would that have actually served?

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Out of Mitsuki and Shadoweh, Mitsuki played a better, more town-oriented game, and I learned from the game where I hammered Shadoweh in LYLO that a player who slam dunks scum is probably not scum.

Well at least you actually remember it happened now..

I'm also valentine's glomped and slightly feverish, but i'l lbe back later

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #362 on:** February 15, 2015, 01:21:44 AM »

Oh, we have four. I'm used to it being one-vote-wrong = death. OK then.

Shadoweh, you are stalling. You have not laid out a case and are clearing Mitsuki based on rolespec.

Everything you're clearing Mitsuki for is the same thing you should also be clearing me for: I was voting Rawr before the track result came out. If I could have bussed Rawr, there is no reason Mitsuki could not also have bussed Rawr. We both lynched Dormio. We both lynched Raikaria. We were both active and engaging other players.

There is no specific reason why you can say "Well Mitsuki is definitely town, so Sky is scum by POE" but that's the only case you're pushing forward, and that case is blown up because YOU established that scum knew who the doc was, and I clearly didn't.

So ultimately it seems like you're just clinging to "Mitsuki is town because it is easier to mislynch Sky." And similiarly your claim to being confirmed and blocking a hit is begging the question - you are the doc, so you MUST be town, because scum would NEVER pick the doc, right? And scum would NEVER hit the doc, right?

I think if you were seriously scum hunting you would have at least looked at the points Mitsuki raised when she voted you. The actual, concrete, negotiable things, things that we could discuss as a group.

Mitsuki gave a whole bunch of emotional reasons for voting.

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I think Shadoweh is scum here, basically because I can see SkyPal's confidence, and Shadoweh feels scared. While I'm not that confident on Shadoweh, the more I think about it the more I can't see SkyPal as scum. Being skeptical of the tracker and trying to get 2 townies in a 1vs1? No way scum would do that.
The thing on Shadoweh is that right now she feels slightly as scum and then SkyPal brought a good point about her trying to shoot down SkyPal's Rawr case.

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I'm sorry if this is the wrong choice. If Zakeri wants to think over it and sees things differently, we can always NL and talk a bit more about it. But otherwise I'd rather not let such a fight continue, I don't think it's fun for SkyPal and specially not for Shadoweh.

'Confidence vs being scared'. 'Shadoweh feels scum'. 'not let such a fight continue, I don't think it's fun for SkyPal and specially not for Shadoweh.'

The only thing Mitsuki brought up that was fair is that I flipped your argument about my vote on Rawr. Everything else, to me, appears to be emotion or feeling that is not really part of an argument.

But out of the many things you could have used to argue against her vote, you chose:

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I do not get scared. What I am is confident that at least -I- know who the last scum is and you can't seriously want to throw this game away because he's 'CONFIDENT'.

You don't have a case. When asked multiple times to present your case, you went afk or said 'nobody is asking you'. You were caught changing your story, twice. You refuse to consider the valid alternative. You are using information instead of analysis. You are stalling.

You are scum.

##vote Shadoweh

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #363 on:** February 15, 2015, 01:35:56 AM »

Yeah, if I can trust in anything, it's going to be my ability to tell when truth is happening, even if I don't believe in it.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Resolution time.

SB · « **Reply #364 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:20:58 AM »

"Man if this was a town doctor we probably would've lynched it day 1"

Shadoweh, Mafia Doctor, was lynched Day 4!

Sky Paladin, Vanilla Townie, Zakeri, Vanilla Townie, and Mitsuki, Town Tracker, survive and win with the dead townies!

Congratulations to the town. I'll probably have more to say on this when it isn't 2am.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #365 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:23:57 AM »

jerks

SB · « **Reply #366 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:25:44 AM »

Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/bUvjHshQqeqMT
Neighbourhood: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/WynJy4rwU93h
Graveyard: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/VAgGgSYmEutP

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #367 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:29:35 AM »

Geegee

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #368 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:49:28 AM »

jii jii

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #369 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:52:26 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on February 15, 2015, 02:23:57 AM

jerks

I'd apologize but my mama taught me not to lie.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #370 on:** February 15, 2015, 03:11:20 AM »

Sky topic

I am happy that my faith in good play was rewarded, and finally undone my horrible MOTK LYLO streak.

Thanks to everybody for playing, and SB for hosting the game.

Grats on your gut Mitsuki, it was right on target for 8/9 players.

I think Bard/Mitsuki won the game for town. They basically solved the first 3/4 of the game and kept town moving forward when it went into stagnation.

We are a bit rusty; I made a lot of mistakes. I managed to wall less than usual, still more work to do.

I regret lynching Dormio, but consider his sacrifice a necessary step on the path to victory. Kind of like a ritual sacrifice to pay for our mafia sins. I could day 1 lynch Dormio more often.

I don't understand Rawr's stonewall on day 2, but it became irrelevant after the tracker claim.

Shadoweh, no hard feelings (from your QT). I understand you did what you had to do.

Happy Valentines day everyone

Shadoweh · « **Reply #371 on:** February 15, 2015, 04:04:50 AM »

"sempai notice me ;____; " omg xD What's wrong with letting the scum come chat, I was really lonely and happy to have new scumbuddies!
Also I felt like an awful awful person for deceiving two of my favorite players. Why can't I just roll town like everyone else QQ

Irony: Rawr originally wanted to pick Neighbourizor and was convinced to pick Tracker, which he was nevah getting. If he had then the game would have been ever so slightly different! I was lying about not wanting to join mafia again, obviously. Not about CF7 idling, he def did that. I had a lot more fun then I expected to considering I replaced in, saw who I was up against, saw my buddy and just died inside. I'm glad you could all at least enjoy lynching me! ^_^/

Conqueror · « **Reply #372 on:** February 15, 2015, 05:21:18 AM »

Fun game to read, too bad mafia is dead rip.
I think the setup is probably more townsided when downsized. Would have been interesting to see with more players.

ActionDan · « **Reply #373 on:** February 15, 2015, 08:06:02 AM »

town won?

Motktown 2015

SB · « **Reply #374 on:** February 15, 2015, 10:51:30 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on February 15, 2015, 05:21:18 AM

Fun game to read, too bad mafia is dead rip.
I think the setup is probably more townsided when downsized. Would have been interesting to see with more players.

Maybe? I think it was more down to CF7's choice to pick doc heavily restricting the scum nightkills. Although town could've easily picked up Roleblocker or something I guess and that would've put scum in a really awkward position. I'm more disappointed that I had to cut most of the more interesting roles because they didn't fit in 9p very well.

I'm actually really surprised that NOBODY went for Roleblocker or even seemed to consider it when it's such a strong role in 9p.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #375 on:** February 15, 2015, 10:56:02 AM »

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
<3<3

no time to comment on much stuff but thanks everyone for playing, specially Bardiche and Shadoweh for making the neighbourhood fun and SkyPal for being so townie. As town I really love reading people who feel townie, and I feel like you made a huge improvement this game.

Oh and if you ask me the Raikaria lynch was the bonus content of this game.
Someone should make a guide on how to read him properly.

Also fun how every day we lynched who I wanted to lynch, D3 is kind of an exception since I wanted to no lynch but whatever. Turning the lynch on Dormio was also pretty fun, even if that was a mislynch.

Bardiche · « **Reply #376 on:** February 15, 2015, 02:40:09 PM »

Lynching Raikaria was a necessary component of punishing Town for playing like Scum. If you're Town, please try to play like you're Town.

Sky Paladin won the game. For a change. I am impressed, amazed and amused, because seeing Shadoweh get lynched could only be more satisfying if mine was the hammer.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #377 on:** February 15, 2015, 04:56:49 PM »

Quote from: SB on February 15, 2015, 10:51:30 AM

Maybe? I think it was more down to CF7's choice to pick doc heavily restricting the scum nightkills. Although town could've easily picked up Roleblocker or something I guess and that would've put scum in a really awkward position. I'm more disappointed that I had to cut most of the more interesting roles because they didn't fit in 9p very well.

I'm actually really surprised that NOBODY went for Roleblocker or even seemed to consider it when it's such a strong role in 9p.

As Town I would have definitely picked up Roleblocker. It was obvious Sky didn't have it after the no-kill, since if he'd blocked someone I'm pretty sure it would have come up. Doctor was a goood choice in theory, and maybe I should have played it less tricky and just killed Mitsuki. Such is life.

not that I actually read anything, but I heard Raikaria thought the scum kill was a role you had to pick? He was doing a lot of the Too Derp To Be Scum No Way that Sky P was doing (and I almost wish I'd thought of stealing Tracker on the last day because apparently that would have worked better for me >.> ) I would have said something but I was busy practicing my CPR Doc abilities on Bard if you know what I mean.

Edible · « **Reply #378 on:** February 15, 2015, 05:03:06 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on February 15, 2015, 04:56:49 PM

I would have said something but I was busy practicing my CPR Doc abilities on Bard if you know what I mean.

Punching him in the ribs repeatedly until they break?

Mitsuki · « **Reply #379 on:** February 15, 2015, 07:31:24 PM »

By the way, I knew scum could nokill from the beggining and that the second NL was universal loss, I was just trying to put pressure on scum.

Bardiche · « **Reply #380 on:** February 15, 2015, 08:32:59 PM »

Blowing the once-per-game No Lynch certainly puts pressure on Scum!

Shadoweh stop Valentine's Day is over and I got nothing from you. NOTHING BUT A KNIFE IN MY BACK.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #381 on:** February 15, 2015, 10:46:32 PM »

the point was making scum forget that just one no-lynch is a thing, also the longer __Lo is the more pressure scum feel. I don't know about you but 6 days of __Lo would be a pain to bear for me

Bardiche · « **Reply #382 on:** February 15, 2015, 10:55:27 PM »

At that point I just stop reading the game and poke in with lolcats. Seriously extending _Lo is horrible for either alignment.

Bardiche · « **Reply #383 on:** February 15, 2015, 10:55:57 PM »

THANK GOD WE HAD SKY PALADIN, the hero Town did not deserve but the one we got anyway. That'll teach us to call him crazy and laugh at his crackpot theories.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #384 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:00:22 PM »

Bardiche I get that you're saying that I contributed nothing to the game, you don't need to repeat it that much

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #385 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:18:20 PM »

I remember it a little differently, Bard

If we'd listened to me from the beginning we would have lynched Mitsuki day 1, then Bardiche day 2.

That's a game winning start!

Basically I think you and Mitsuki set it up, because everyone else was spinning wheels or crazy.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #386 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:34:34 PM »

Come on SkyPal, don't be modest. I think Bardiche and I did a pretty good job but you did as well. <3
I see this victory as the combined effort of everyone.

Bardiche · « **Reply #387 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:36:38 PM »

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 15, 2015, 11:00:22 PM

Bardiche I get that you're saying that I contributed nothing to the game, you don't need to repeat it that much

Except I didn't? I think the No Lynch plan was bad, because Lynch is Town's strongest (and in this game only) weapon that directly effects the removal of scum from the game. Having a bad plan doesn't mean you contributed nothing, because you clearly contributed to the victory. I think you're being too sensitive here, because I honestly don't see how my words can be construed as "you contributed absolutely nothing".

If you're salty I didn't trust you in the QT, ask Sky Paladin about my trust issues when it comes to Mafia games. I don't even trust people who were confirmed Town by the Cop that flipped Guaranteed 100% Sane Town Cop.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #388 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:48:18 PM »

I never really cared about you not trusting me, lol

Vhaltz · « **Reply #389 on:** February 15, 2015, 11:53:56 PM »

No lynch at 5v1 with investigation alive is not a bad plan though? it was known that this particular setup had no extra killing roles so you're going to have one mislynch left regardless of what you do, you might as well use the extra player to get a result and see if the claimed doc dies.

Scum could have no killed in response to deny the investigation, but that would've raised alarms that scum was either informed or took everything well in consideration (which arguably might have cleared Raikaria considering how lost he was with everything this game). At best it provided extra information and at worst it would've left everything the same.