Puzzle & Dragons forever 17 - Star Vault Didn't Go So Well: I Was Nonplussed

[trancehime]

SKILL BALANCES:

1) Miracle skills (Archangel 1.0) - Enhances Heart Orbs as well
2) Rider skills - min cd 7
3) Protection Magic (Fairy Tale) - Bind Recover 3 turns
4) Ganesha's AS - Min Cd 15 (same as Toki), enhances Light orbs
5) Durga - Boosts both God and Devil types by x2 for 1 turn
6) Vast Dawn (Noah) - Additionally turns board to Blue

STAT UPS:

1) Gryps Rider - HP and ATK buff
2) L/L Wee Jas - HP buff
3) R/R Chester - HP buff

SERIAL CODE MONSTERS - From Otsuka Kadoman's P&D Book
1) Mini Hera
2) Mini Plan

[Chaore]

noah fucking please, what the hell

[trancehime]

ROGUELIKE DUNGEON INFOS

1) Hidden Awakenings
These can be attained by levelling up "NAVITAMA" to max. NAVITAMA gains level by clearing floors in the roguelike dungeons. So far there are 9 different kinds of hidden awakenings. They vary from stat boosts, to chance to prevent game over, to self skill boost. One of them can boost damage multiplier on high combo, in a demonstration YamaP show Horus x5 can become x6.61

2) Unique Legend Dungeon Bosses

UVO INFOS

1) Raging Flame Dragon ARMED TYRANNOS (R/B)

2) Illusion Ice Dragon MIRAGE PLESIOS (B/G)

3) Fierce Flower Dragon HOWL BRACHIOS (G/R)

4) Nirvana Thunderstorm Dragon INDRA

5) Darkness Dragon of Depths VRITRA

6) Golden Monkey King of Saints SUN WUKONG

7) Bleak Night Goddess of Dark Sorrows PANDORA

Hidden Deity of the Demonic Spears ODIN

9) AWOKEN VENUS

****

UVO WInners;

1) Lu Bu (Pandora came in first but we just saw her uvo)

2) LKali

3) Goemon

[Chaore]

tyrannos digivolve tooooo

metal urd sub tyrannoossss

>devil pandora

fuck, really.

come the fuck on when are you going to give dark balanced a -fucking break-

[The Greatest Dog]

so Noah buff was unexpected
Suddenly my idea of Gabriel  > Beyzul has changed to Gabriel > Folklore.

On the otherhand, I can't use Lakshmi to enhance the orbs anymore, but Wadatsumi or LZL can do that.

[trancehime]

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/150220_sinka_pandora.html

Read this

[commandercool]

;-; LKali 1/21 skill ups now
I think I'd go Pys if I reach 1/25.

commandercool I feel your pain. ;-; so many devilits in my box

That is a real nightmare scenario. My three runs so far today were devilit, died on floor two to 2/2/2 dublits, devilit, so imagining a skillup rate that low on top of that is no good. No good at all.

ROGUELIKE DUNGEON INFOS

1) Hidden Awakenings
These can be attained by levelling up "NAVITAMA" to max. NAVITAMA gains level by clearing floors in the roguelike dungeons. So far there are 9 different kinds of hidden awakenings. They vary from stat boosts, to chance to prevent game over, to self skill boost. One of them can boost damage multiplier on high combo, in a demonstration YamaP show Horus x5 can become x6.61

Am I the only one who is seriously alarmed by this? I assume they've playtested this a lot, but it seems like a MASSIVE change to the game. Do we know how hard these are to get and how many each monster has? I guess it's cool that they've given people with capped teams a way to continue improving them and more axes on which to buff weak cards, but my tabletop game experience is giving me "desperate end-of-life last-ditch total overhaul of game mechanics" vibes. None of the other signs point to that, but this kind of thing makes me uncomfortable as a rule.

Also, I'm vaguely remembering hearing at one point that these were leader-only awakenings. Is that right? Or was it just that they have leader skill-like effects?

>devil pandora

fuck, really.

come the fuck on when are you going to give dark balanced a -fucking break-

You remember the whining that shook the very pillars of PAD when ultimate Ronia was announced and then failed to appear on the Western server the next week? Entitled Ronia players would tear the game asunder if something else black got attention for a second. Unfortunately black balanced must be a sacrificed upon the altar of Ronia to keep the imbalance intact. My poor Loki, he will never get to shine. Maybe some day he'll get errataed to just be/buff devil after all and then people will love him.

[Chaore]

Am I the only one who is seriously alarmed by this? I assume they've playtested this a lot, but it seems like a MASSIVE change to the game. Do we know how hard these are to get and how many each monster has? I guess it's cool that they've given people with capped teams a way to continue improving them and more axes on which to buff weak cards, but my tabletop game experience is giving me "desperate end-of-life last-ditch total overhaul of game mechanics" vibes. None of the other signs point to that, but this kind of thing makes me uncomfortable as a rule.

Also, I'm vaguely remembering hearing at one point that these were leader-only awakenings. Is that right? Or was it just that they have leader skill-like effects?

I'm actually pretty worried about them tbh. These things are some shit.

It's not 'coming out RIGHT NOW' though so i'm gonna sit on more info.

You remember the whining that shook the very pillars of PAD when ultimate Ronia was announced and then failed to appear on the Western server the next week? Entitled Ronia players would tear the game asunder if something else black got attention for a second. Unfortunately black balanced must be a sacrificed upon the altar of Ronia to keep the imbalance intact. My poor Loki, he will never get to shine. Maybe some day he'll get errataed to just be/buff devil after all and then people will love him.

glaguashd ronia shouldn't even exist there but that is probably -100%- why sadly

just embrace prong dark devil damnit japan

i don't even really feel she's an amazing addition to it's lineup, they already have so many changers and honestly i -really- feel like they should be trying to push in prong dark devil

i mean -imagine this shit in dark balanced-. 8 fucking rows in 4 cards! YOU COULD LITERALLY JUST USE VOICE FOR YOUR LAST TWO SLOTS AND GO NUTS.



man these ults are honestly some shit too, poor wukong doesn't get to live the light attacker dream

and what the hell, blodin's mats are too cheap tbh

like yeah he's still packing a 1291 attack with all that firepower but he's literally the go to sub for anything now

what if they gave rodin this shot

-imagine that-.

[Suikama]

oh fuck Bodin

jesus fucking fuck triple tpa oh god

now I actually need bodin

Isis, Nut, Muse, Orochi, Bodin is now fucking amazing

but now I need bodin god fucking dammit as if muse wasn't hard enough to get


also

LS: 7x ATK when matching 2+ heal combos

what the fuck

[trancehime]

what the fuck

Couldn't tell if it was YamaP's trollery or serious.

Also Bodin literally the only Odin I do not have RIP in Pengdras.

EDIT Apparently it's serious

[OverlordChirei]

You need six heart orbs every turn, and then you still need orbs to attack with and set up somehow, so I guess you're trying to "juggle" orbs.

Also if the boss converts hearts away you might be funked

[Chaore]

You need six heart orbs every turn, and then you still need orbs to attack with and set up somehow, so I guess you're trying to "juggle" orbs.

Also if the boss converts hearts away you might be funked

pchoo chireinailed

that's a base nine orbs

and not all of them are attacking, like sarasvati (who's the closest i can think of to that level of rip all your fucking orbs)

though, still. 7x is a lot.

[Suikama]

just bring wee jas or something


also Zhao Yun mythical 0 stoned

damn that was close

constant screen blinds + need to deal 6+ combo every turn is a fun time oh boy

[trancehime]

You need six heart orbs every turn, and then you still need orbs to attack with and set up somehow, so I guess you're trying to "juggle" orbs.

Also if the boss converts hearts away you might be funked

>Kanetsugu
>Gives you hearts

whoops

[The Greatest Dog]

so what does it mean for "Heal orbs" to be enhanced by the RBG Archangels? That's not what I was hoping for when I think of them needing buffs badly. Is it just for the sake of double-conversions where the Enhance transfers to an attacking orb?

Fairy Tale girls having a 3 turn bind clear is really powerful, I think. I incidentally got Cinderella skill maxed so maybe I should slot her in somewhere.
yes plz give Gryps Rider more HP

Goemon gets an ult? Really?

Wadatsumi also gives hearts wadawadawadawadawadawadawada.

[Chaore]

Goemon gets an ult? Really?

dude needs it, tbh

[Jq1790]

>Noah
I think my brain broke a little bit there

>'chance to prevent game over' hidden awakening
Imagine if only really terrible stufd got this?  Would be hilarious the amount of rage probably.

>Devi Pandora
Predictable, but entirely unnecessary.  So par for the course.  I dont even run dark balanced and I feel a sting for the slight they got dealt

>super ultra starters
Neat.

>7x atk at 2+ heart combos
I think 4.5-5x would have been more appropriate, MAYBE 6x but def not 7x.

Game getting nuts here.

Totally missed this, too.

>Vritra
ABOUT TIME, GUNGHO!

[trancehime]

>super ultra starters
Neat.

TFW they're not actually super ults

TFW I uvo'd my plesios today

[OverlordChirei]

so what does it mean for "Heal orbs" to be enhanced by the RBG Archangels? That's not what I was hoping for when I think of them needing buffs badly. Is it just for the sake of double-conversions where the Enhance transfers to an attacking orb?

You can enhance a heal orb already, just convert any enhanced orb to hearts. This produces the exact enhance boost, but now for how much you heal.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I feel like it's goddamn christmas.

Venus ult oh my god yes I have so many plans for this now and can I just say i totally called devil/healer
Pandora ult was predictable and while I've come to understand that dark balanced does need more love I'm struggling to care because she's now everything my DMeta/Lu Bu/Ronia teams could ever want holy shit
Vritra no longer sucks
BOdin is now amazing and can run rows OR TPA and will be a permanent fixture in my Skuld team
Plesios is now a Skuld sub
Lu Bu and LKali are getting ults

and holy shit please give Final Fantasy collabs already ;_____;

[The Greatest Dog]

> struggling with Zhao Yun with both BeelzeRonia and Sakuya
> the most threatening parts are all light/dark

Well, time to Ceres this.

[commandercool]

I did not know that could happen. Huh.

[Dorakyura]

Snake? Is that you?
3 TPA oh shit
dark also being blue/dark? I want a Blodin now.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

SO glad I maxed him out early. (Though his evo form always was dark, that's not new :p)

I maaaay be putting my Rodin team on hold now that Bodin is just so ridiculous all of a sudden.

[Chaore]

I feel like it's goddamn christmas.

that was two months ago

they gave us chibi cards for that.




also thought on the way back, dark is now the only color without a triple pronger

lu bu was announced.

i've been talking up lu bu prong for ages.

gungho, you may have horrendously failed me with the heroes, but please, grant my wish

G I V E U T T E R C A R N A G E

[Mr. Sacchi]

gungho, you may have horrendously failed me with the heroes, but please, grant my wish

G I V E U T T E R C A R N A G E

tbh considering how they went devil for pandora pretty much because "hey ronia", they'll probably just give lu bu more rows because "hey ronia"

so I would say "don't expect more than one tpa, if that"

[Suikama]

yeah in b4 lubu just get 3 dark rows

[Edible]

He should get 4

Because fuck reality

[hyorinryu]

tbh considering how they went devil for pandora pretty much because "hey ronia", they'll probably just give lu bu more rows because "hey ronia"

so I would say "don't expect more than one tpa, if that"

I'll be okay with this as long as the give Dragon to GGY because "hey green sonia." Particularly since I have two of them now.

[Chaore]

tbh considering how they went devil for pandora pretty much because "hey ronia", they'll probably just give lu bu more rows because "hey ronia"

so I would say "don't expect more than one tpa, if that"

i mean theres also a lot more at work because it's a different decision entirely



don't crush my dreams like your dreams were by metal urdsub tyrannos being excessively mediocre damnit