Puzzle & Dragons forever 17 - Star Vault Didn't Go So Well: I Was Nonplussed

[commandercool]

Well sorta. Like I could +297 a x2 dragon team and it still wouldn't beat anything :V

The thing is Juggler gets the most bang for buck when maxed. Like it deals Anubis levels of damage so it should easily clear pretty much any dungeon gungho releases in the future unless they do something crazy, meanwhile even if I +297 my whole Isis team it might be able to clear some Legend Pluses but it still can't even clear true endless corridors without luck ughh

To be fair something always has to be the best bang for the buck. The question is, is Juggler actually better than the previous best thing in the game all considered? Is it now the best thing, or is it just another thing in the stable of best things (Ronia, Pandora, arguably Dmeta?)?  And what kinds of dungeons doesn't it handle well? Certain types of teams are going to be great at certain types of dungeons, and comparing things in their best case scenarios is possibly not that productive. These aren't rhetorical questions, I genuinely don't know and don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I haven't been watching a bunch of videos or doing calcs or anything.

[Suikama]

I think someone already cleared super ultimate true endless with juggler.

[trancehime]

I think someone already cleared super ultimate true endless with juggler.

Juggler + 2x Pandora, 2x DIzanami + Juggler

he had to stall past Zaerog's Dark absorb attack rotation. He also got very lucky on the Hera floor since DQ Hera did not appear, it was Hera-Beorc

[Suikama]

gungho should just make a 999 dark absorb boss and then rip juggler/pandora/ronia/all of those op dark bastards :V

[trancehime]

gungho should just make a 999 dark absorb boss and then rip juggler/pandora/ronia/all of those op dark bastards :V

so they should just make more Raphaels (Sandalphon) ? :getdown:

[Mr. Sacchi]

Make a new dungeons where we fight God as the boss with all of the Angel 1.0 and 2.0 series as the waves. Yes including AA Luci.

And give every single one of them a 999 dark absorb.

NO-STONE THIS DUNGEON NOW DARK MONSTERS

[OverlordChirei]

Ultimate Raphael Rush!!!!

30 floors of increasingly stronger raphaels

[commandercool]

Ultimate Raphael Rush!!!!

30 floors of increasingly stronger raphaels

LZL/Valkyrie/Valkyrie/Valkyrie/Valkyrie/LZL? :derp:

[Thaws]

:barf:

https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/570383371936739328 18 rolls for my first collab gold

:barf:

I thought you got karakuri
Congrats! Not the best OP gold, but 2nd best is nice too but then you have a use for time mage and santa karakuri anyways so basically any gold was good for you. lol

[commandercool]

Aw man, motherload of Piis coming up and all of the places that drop white ones are dungeons I can't do. At least I can take big chunks out of Misato and Beyzul.

I actually might be able to work out of Kali clear of Hera-Beorc with enough tries. Maybe with Sun Quan delay and Echidna delay and a heartmaker I can stall Hera out long enough to burn through her light absorb. I'm only worried about the first and last floors, so maybe if I get lucky with enough tries I can squeak by.

I probably can't do Mephistopheles, I probably won't even try Wadastumi again because it's a painful, messy grind, and I'm pretty sure I can't do legend plus stuff. Everything else should be good to go. I don't really have an immediate use for black Piis, but everything else has a home. This is going to be a good deal.

[OverlordChirei]

I don't really have an immediate use for black Piis, but everything else has a home. This is going to be a good deal.

are you a bad enough dood to save the pyresident

[trancehime]

https://twitter.com/ooooooooha/status/570115469367058432

people have been harassing the mastermind behind Juggler with such colorful language as "go die you piece of shit,"

I know Juggler is the subject of a lot of hatred and people really don't like the crackhead who came up with it, but please let's not stoop that low.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Looks like I'm gonna learn how to do Beorc Mythical without continues.

There's no way I'm gonna be able to do Devil Rush but at the very least I can get the first step toward being ready to skillmax Venus once she gets her awoken ult.

[OverlordChirei]

So apparently these things are being added to JP's Rank 20 Gift machine.



I've seen no info other than they're supposed to be pre-evolutions of the starter dragons which is... a bit pointless now that we have Legendary Dragons? Also hearing that it's to "nerf" present egg farming.

[commandercool]

At this rate I think I'm going to have over a hundred stones by the next godfest. Hopefully it's something I want, I'm getting impatient. Ninjas please?

are you a bad enough dood to save the pyresident

Well no, but I'll try my best on the secretary of agpiiculture.

So apparently these things are being added to JP's Rank 20 Gift machine.



I've seen no info other than they're supposed to be pre-evolutions of the starter dragons which is... a bit pointless now that we have Legendary Dragons? Also hearing that it's to "nerf" present egg farming.

Huh. Well, I hope if they're going to nerf it they do it progressively or something. Give those a higher chance to appear with each present egg you receive, so new players don't get tripped up by them.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

[09:10:02] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> so i did wednesday dungeon because i needed an ancient green mask to ult kushi
[09:10:17] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >make an 80% skill bind proof team
[09:10:22] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >dodge first bind
[09:10:27] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >get hit with second
[09:11:12] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >play bejeweled for 160-ish turns WITHOUT killing green mask do you even know how hard it is to avoid TPAs in that many turns
[09:11:18] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >pull it off anyway
[09:11:22] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >blue mask drops
[09:11:23] <Madoka-Kanamatsuri> >sorrow

Having to stall Wednesday dungeon is a great way to learn to appreciate the tense but fast nature of Trifruits and Twinlits.

Still, god I have to do this again ughhhhhhh

[Suikama]

man to add insult to injury, even juggler's awakenings are better than Isis'

like why does she have light+ WHY WHAT PURPOSE DOES IT HAVE WHY CAN'T IT BE TIME OR TPA OR AT LEAST SKILL LOCK

[OverlordChirei]

guys, new game+ is hard



i try combo 7 with 2 dark tpa and i still DIDE!!! what do

[Suikama]

you lost because you didn't have athena

and gzl

and triple tpa liu bei


even though dvalk has double tpa her base attack is ass compared to athena and attacker friends

[commandercool]

you lost because you didn't have athena

and gzl

and triple tpa liu bei

What does a standard team using those three look like? I have Liu Bei but I haven't started working on him yet.

[OverlordChirei]

you lost because you didn't have alraune

Ah, I understand now. No wonder this is lunatic mode.

Serious: tempted to try d/d satan sub shenanigans but ugh playing rows ;;

[Suikama]

What does a standard team using those three look like? I have Liu Bei but I haven't started working on him yet.

uh probably just

Athena leads, GZL (GXZL leads if you need even more damage), Liu Bei, and then two more attackers of whoever the fuck you want. Athena + GZL + Liu is already the perfect combo of orb change + enhance + multiplier for melting everything so the last two can either be utility like bind breakers or just more green attackers. Most optimal is probably like 2 more Liu Beis though :V

other stuff that can work:
Susanoo is great especially for GZL since you can tank hits to activate his leader skill and he even has TPA
Sasuke for a low cd orb changer
Marine Rider as a worse version of Liu Bei
Zhang Fei is nice and farmable but you do need to skill him up a bit
Thumbelina can heal, clear binds, and even has tpa
Wonder Woman who would be actually really good except no TPA thanks gungho >_>
Shu has nice awakenings
Echidna because why the fuck not
Isis cause she's da bes

[commandercool]

So Athena leads, stack green attackers? Guess I really want a ninja carnival to try to secure Sasuke as well. Could try Perseus when his skillup comes out. Hopefully I pull Susanoo incidentally when trying to get Yomi.

[Suikama]

Perseus isn't attacker

though I guess he is God for Athena

[OverlordChirei]

You can't use gr liubei on Athena because he's dragon/attacker, which is why I subbed him on Leilan master race

[Suikama]

oh welp

GZL leader it is then


I guess Liu Bei can be leader for farming

[commandercool]

Well shit, there you go. Good call Gungho. I guess GZL team lets me use Chu and Sasuke more readily.

GZL/Liu Bei/Sasuke or Chu/Sunanoo or Kushinada/Athena?/GZL sounds pretty fine, but the unreliable nature of GZL gives me concerns about trying to use that in very long dungeons.

[Thaws]

guys, new game+ is hard



i try combo 7 with 2 dark tpa and i still DIDE!!! what do

Chirei pls, only Claire has tpa that won't work
DD Haku go rows
Get uevo beelzedood

[OverlordChirei]

Chirei pls, only Claire has tpa that won't work
DD Haku go rows
Get uevo beelzedood

I mean, my first Leilan clear did only just have Athena swinging, but for real most of that team is underleveled, drawn joker isn't even ult, and I think there are less than 30 plus eggs on the team. I probably realistically need beelze to make it work

[commandercool]

Just got another Wangren skillup while trying to work on Beyzul. Uuuuuunacceptabllllllllle! That's three to zero for the record.