Puzzle & Dragons forever 17 - Star Vault Didn't Go So Well: I Was Nonplussed

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HA HA HA HA HA

SUCK ON THAT, PARADISE OF THE HOLY BEASTS

SUCK ON THAT, KOURYU

NOTHING MOVES THE BLOB (of ronia teams)

[The Greatest Dog]

2xHP on the alt dungeons isn't that bad, considering most of the enemies have pretty low health altogether. You might be constantly busting orb conversions since it's not like a 2/6.25/2.5 or 2.6/7.5/1 set up but the enemies are usually fairly tame.

(Having a max skilled Persephone is so wicked I can use her active in the trash waves and still have her up by the wave 9 Tiamat in Castle of Satan ahahahahah)

[Suikama]

oh god no my poor wallet

[Jq1790]

oh god no my poor wallet

I want to see more like this.

[Suikama]

isis pls

_{actually no dont i need my money}

[Mr. Sacchi]

Just no-stoned Hera-Is Mythical with GZL.

This team is so braindead, holy shit, I don't think I even want to see this when the Liu Bei uvos become a thing.

[Suikama]

Just no-stoned Hera-Is Mythical with GZL.

This team is so braindead, holy shit, I don't think I even want to see this when the Liu Bei uvos become a thing.

p-p-p-p-powa creep

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I wonder what the next level of power creep is.

Probably china 2.0 featuring hp/rcv multipliers in addition to conditional 3.5x atk multipliers.

[The Greatest Dog]

I don't think they can quite get away with HP/RCV boost and 3.5x. If they got 3x for three colors and 4.5x for a four-color variation I could see it happening, but...

Also the overlap in colors would be too real unless they go for like "Match two water combos and one green combo for 3.5x"

[commandercool]

I'm having a surprisingly hard time clearing ancient masks with Kali. Lost three times today, and what was the culprit two of those times? Sun Quan's lack of sub-element. Green mask hanging on at one health TWICE. Sun Quan uvo now.

[OverlordChirei]

I wonder what the next level of power creep is.

Probably china 2.0 featuring hp/rcv multipliers in addition to conditional 3.5x atk multipliers.

yes make me more op

do it

[Thaws]

I don't think they can quite get away with HP/RCV boost and 3.5x. If they got 3x for three colors and 4.5x for a four-color variation I could see it happening, but...

Also the overlap in colors would be too real unless they go for like "Match two water combos and one green combo for 3.5x"

Do you not know about angels 2.0 because the power creep already happened and they are 1.5/14/1 teams with an conditional arguably easier than China girls.

yes make me more op

do it

Well they should make more leaders viable for lv10... And then power creep the bosses more so nothing can clear it except anubis again D:

Just no-stoned Hera-Is Mythical with GZL.

This team is so braindead, holy shit, I don't think I even want to see this when the Liu Bei uvos become a thing.

GZL being under 80% hp lead has his own problems I imagine

[Suikama]

I wonder what the next level of power creep is.

One Punch Man collab

Saitama

Skill: One Punch
Reduces enemies' HP by 100%

Leader Skill: Invincible
Reduce all damage by 100%

[commandercool]

I just got kicked out of another 50 stamina dungeon by my phone. This makes what, four times in a week? I know what causes this, it's a battery problem and my new battery is in the mail, but still... Fuck.

[The Greatest Dog]

Do you not know about angels 2.0 because the power creep already happened and they are 1.5/14/1 teams with an conditional arguably easier than China girls.

The typing condition is different already. Moreover, while the bonus multiplier to RCV/HP is nice, it's always boosting -their lowest stat- to what you can only call acceptable levels. In the case of the Red angel, 0 * 1.5 is still zero!
Red Attacker, Blue Healer, and Dark Devil have plenty of subs but light attacker with a TPA? Ammy, Arthur, Kanetsugu, Superman, Suzaku, Mephisto, Flash, and Baal are basically it and -all of the orb changers are REM-.
Green Devil has Cauchemar, Astaroth, Bastet, Genbu, Beast Rider, Ceres and Hera Beorc?   Also -manageable- but also REM heavy as well.

If you don't have the typing requirement and using , you're basically running a gimped China lead at 1/9/1. I don't buy it completely that the power is creeping.

[Thaws]

The typing condition is different already. Moreover, while the bonus multiplier to RCV/HP is nice, it's always boosting -their lowest stat- to what you can only call acceptable levels. In the case of the Red angel, 0 * 1.5 is still zero!
Red Attacker, Blue Healer, and Dark Devil have plenty of subs but light attacker with a TPA? Ammy, Arthur, Kanetsugu, Superman, Suzaku, Mephisto, Flash, and Baal are basically it and -all of the orb changers are REM-.
Green Devil has Cauchemar, Astaroth, Bastet, Genbu, Beast Rider, Ceres and Hera Beorc?   Also -manageable- but also REM heavy as well.

If you don't have the typing requirement and using , you're basically running a gimped China lead at 1/9/1. I don't buy it completely that the power is creeping.

I was kinda under the assumption that if china gets new uevos their LS would be type restricted, boosts HP/ATK or ATK/RCV with lowered (3x?) conditional multiplier, because that's the trend with Santa Kirin and HnK stuff.
I hope they realize egypts 2.0's generic element boost was too OP but I guess we're talking about power creeping so this assumption is not that valid.

Still, I find Famiel to be the most promising, and the green, light ones to be lacking good subs as you said, but they're definitely buffing green devils and light attackers so it's only a matter of time.
Red and Dark I agree they're not good because rcv boosts are useless if you don't have tremendous hp to heal. (Unless you do different LSes like the infamous Ronia/Lu Bu, and these angels are generic enough to pair up with others I guess, in fact, if Suzaku does become something HP/ATK boost for red attackers then she'd pair well with Rosiel I imagine.)

[OverlordChirei]

The typing condition is different already. Moreover, while the bonus multiplier to RCV/HP is nice, it's always boosting -their lowest stat- to what you can only call acceptable levels. In the case of the Red angel, 0 * 1.5 is still zero!
Red Attacker, Blue Healer, and Dark Devil have plenty of subs but light attacker with a TPA? Ammy, Arthur, Kanetsugu, Superman, Suzaku, Mephisto, Flash, and Baal are basically it and -all of the orb changers are REM-.
Green Devil has Cauchemar, Astaroth, Bastet, Genbu, Beast Rider, Ceres and Hera Beorc?   Also -manageable- but also REM heavy as well.

If you don't have the typing requirement and using , you're basically running a gimped China lead at 1/9/1. I don't buy it completely that the power is creeping.

IIRC even Blue Healer's good subs are just flat out REM territory only. I've been bashing in endgame dungeons with non-IAP subs with Leilan. I don't think I'm wrong when I say absolutely nothing can beat chinas right now in sub flexibility - which is why I'd be scared if they got new ults.

EDIT: Moreover, their flexibility of use even without the ults is enough to draw new players lucky enough to get them into the game - and keep them there. Nowhere near ronia level of cheese, but far from weak, and a sane learning curve that scales right with the game. New ults for them would be to me, nothing short of OP.

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Ronia has the best sub flexibility in the game

She can use red devils or dark devils!!!

[OverlordChirei]

Ronia has the best sub flexibility in the game

She can use red devils or dark devils!!!

Haku can use Red and Dark... anything.

Blue also.

[The Greatest Dog]

Haku can use Red and Dark... anything.

Blue also.

of course if you have mostly dark devils with Byakko the damage gets pretty silly

[OverlordChirei]

of course if you have mostly dark devils with Byakko the damage gets pretty silly

More or less Haku's equivalent to Rowzaku, yeah. Chinas can just stack either of the three because their active makes it more viable, and non-twinlit versions far less strict for lacking one color.

[The Greatest Dog]

tbf I would probably feel orbtrolled by Seven Star formations a lot less if I actually used an even split of R/B/D instead of going all in on dark and hoping I get at least 8 dark orbs

[commandercool]

EDIT: Moreover, their flexibility of use even without the ults is enough to draw new players lucky enough to get them into the game - and keep them there. Nowhere near ronia level of cheese, but far from weak, and a sane learning curve that scales right with the game. New ults for them would be to me, nothing short of OP.

I've been saying since shortly after I started to playing that Gungho needs to dump the starter dragons into the furthest reaches of the sky dragon dungeons and leave them there, and make Chinas the new starters. Make a white China that matches the other and let people pick one. It would make starting the game so much easier and more pleasant. Maybe even make a baby China form that goes before the current starting one with no active and a more limited version of the leader skill for very low team cost. Chinas are strong, flexible, farmable-friendly, and teach good skills and habits. New players who luck out enough to pull a China first (or at least early) are playing the best version of PAD.

[OverlordChirei]

tbf I would probably feel orbtrolled by Seven Star formations a lot less if I actually used an even split of R/B/D instead of going all in on dark and hoping I get at least 8 dark orbs

I actually only run using 2/3 colors now, but i've definitely tried the all-in route and it hurts ;;

make Chinas the new starters

baby China form

I DIED

[The Greatest Dog]

day three of Dark Insect Dragon farming: 3 skill ups for CDD

at the end of this dungeon rotation I might actually make a Ripper dragon useable!

[Mr. Sacchi]

I've been saying since shortly after I started to playing that Gungho needs to dump the starter dragons into the furthest reaches of the sky dragon dungeons and leave them there, and make Chinas the new starters. Make a white China that matches the other and let people pick one. It would make starting the game so much easier and more pleasant. Maybe even make a baby China form that goes before the current starting one with no active and a more limited version of the leader skill for very low team cost. Chinas are strong, flexible, farmable-friendly, and teach good skills and habits. New players who luck out enough to pull a China first (or at least early) are playing the best version of PAD.

They could just make the  christmas REM Chibis the starter monsters, hell, that would even give them enough reason to give the starter dragons a new uvo that isn't shit.

Of course, they'd need to give compensation for whoever has the chibis, but y'know.

[Thaws]

IIRC even Blue Healer's good subs are just flat out REM territory only. I've been bashing in endgame dungeons with non-IAP subs with Leilan. I don't think I'm wrong when I say absolutely nothing can beat chinas right now in sub flexibility - which is why I'd be scared if they got new ults.

If they get any new ults it's extremely likely they'd get type restrict LSes anyways or is that what you're scared about. :V

You know there are days where people are dying to get a Dark Starter because they don't have a loki and 1/2/2 Dark was real good. lawl
What if starters get ult-uevos like valks did lol

tbf I would probably feel orbtrolled by Seven Star formations a lot less if I actually used an even split of R/B/D instead of going all in on dark and hoping I get at least 8 dark orbs

During the short period I used Haku, I preferred 7star for mid-dungeon stuff, and only relied on stuff like Persy for bursts. No way I'm betting everything on Haku not screwing the 7star up.

[commandercool]

God. Dammit. I just died to an enemy left alive at one health in Wednesday Dungeon again, this time the mystic mask on floor four. Seriously, 150 stamina down the drain because Sun Quan's ultimate evolution isn't out. Of course I would have won if I had comboed better on a previous turn too, but shit, this is crazy. Topped off with the one time I lost due to a legitimate series of mistakes on my part and that run that got eaten by my phone and I haven't won anything all day. Ugh.

[OverlordChirei]

God. Dammit. I just died to an enemy left alive at one health in Wednesday Dungeon again, this time the mystic mask on floor four. Seriously, 150 stamina down the drain because Sun Quan's ultimate evolution isn't out. Of course I would have won if I had comboed better on a previous turn too, but shit, this is crazy. Topped off with the one time I lost due to a legitimate series of mistakes on my part and that run that got eaten by my phone and I haven't won anything all day. Ugh.

Wow, I think people are just having all sorts of bad luck today.

I myself just died on an alt. satan run that had 4 plus eggs on top of going 0/5 on apocalypse skillups :sad:

If they get any new ults it's extremely likely they'd get type restrict LSes anyways or is that what you're scared about. :V

I'm more scared that if chinagirls got any more powerful, the bubble would pop and they'd become

m a i n s t r e a m     l e a d s

[commandercool]

I myself just died on an alt. satan run that had 4 plus eggs on top of going 0/5 on apocalypse skillups :sad:

I think that is as many +eggs as I have ever dropped in all of my alt dungeon runs combined. :V