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New Chinese Fangame《东方幻想乡?异变！三次元入侵》is aiming for PS4 (and PC)
Drake:
1. Yonjin does not tweet on behalf of ZUN. His comments are relevant to the discussion of the doujin scene, particularly in regards to the situation with FSS, but he himself does not represent ZUN in any way. In no way does this mean his comments are any less valid. Just a correction.
2. To imply they're using Touhou only as a means to advertise the program is blatantly false; they (HJISTC) were in charge of the rather highly-acclaimed Defense of the Shrines mod.
3. The commenter seems to be unaware of why crowdfunding isn't acceptable in the first place, as well as the separation between doujin works and indie development here.
4. As far as I can tell there's no mention of distribution method (correct me if wrong). The mention about acceptable distribution channels is unwarranted.
5. It isn't even known whether or not they can succeed here, since it hasn't been confirmed whether or not they've received explicit permission to develop for the PS4. We can assume they haven't by default, so it isn't as if people are even saying this is acceptable.
6. As far as I can tell it's entirely possible for the team to obtain the development kit but develop games other than Touhou, and it's also possible for them to only release the game on PC using accepted channels. That's perfectly okay, and I think this is a likely outcome.
7. Being the english-speaking fandom, we're more connected to stuff happening in the english-speaking fandom, that affects the english-speaking fandom. To focus more on FSS, even if these situations were exactly the same, is a no-brainer.
Overall they're just making comparisons on a situation they don't know much about. If Sony ends up eating most of the funds raised and using little of it to help indie developers, that would be shitty, but more or less irrelevant to what they're arguing.
cuc:
My own position on this contest is:
- Using the Touhou brand to participate in a popularity contest of this nature is hard to defend.
- Their action can be partially attributed to ignorance. They had initially put 东方幻想乡 "Touhou Gensoukyou" (the name of Touhou 4) into the game title, which is an embarassing faux pas.
- However, they have since obtained help from a trusted advisor who are supposed to do PR for them on the Japanese side. This advisor should have cleared up any misunderstanding, and told them to withdraw from the contest. The fact that they have not withdrawn yet does not reflect well on this supposed advisor.
With that said, they seem to already have some sort of discussion under way. Some result will probably come out in a day or two.
ShinesBright:
Hi everyone I am someone who is a friend of FSS and I just wanted to post my opinion here to hear what you guys think.
Regarding the TCP4(Chinese PS4 team), my focus is not on the PS4 team itself but how arbitrary ZUN?s crowd is towards commercial matters. Here are some major criticism that FSS received and why I think it is unfair.
1. FSS does not have a ?doujin spirit? because they are commercializing Touhou doujin. Mass commercialization is not doujin.
---- TCP4 is involved with a mass commercial activity in that they are used as means to gain more funds for a PS4 site
2. Exposing Touhou doujin materials on a non-Japanese site and promoting its production to mass amount of people who does not know doujin is bad
-----This is not a Japanese site but a Chinese site. The PS4 in China and Japan are essential different companies and the voting taking place is for China not Japan. The PS4 site and campaign indeed says for Chinese ?doujin game support? and therefore may look like only people who know doujin will come but that is not true. Many people who don?t know about doujin can also see it and get involved with it.
3. FSS should develop the game by themselves without any other help. Honest work is the way to go to be a true doujin.
----- Instead of trying to acquire the development kit by themselves TCP4 went to a mass commercial site to attain votes and win the kit so they can develop the game. In order to vote, people need to purchase the right to vote and along the votes the perks of they get depends on how much they purchase. Essentially this is not different from crowdfunding.
4. FSS did credit ZUN whereas TCP4 have not credited ZUN for the touhou doujin game.
This is a team ZUN approved and the approved team are doing things against doujin. IF ZUN does not halt the team this means his guidelines actually matter a lot less than what others claim.
We will have to see how things will turn out but as far as my points what do you guys think?
aUsernameIsFineToo:
--- Quote from: ShinesBright on January 21, 2015, 03:08:08 PM ---4. FSS did credit ZUN whereas TCP4 have not credited ZUN for the touhou doujin game.
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From both the circle's website and advertisement since day one:
--- Quote ---"是的没有看错！这是一款东方Project的同人二次创作游戏。"
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"Don't be mistaken! This is a derivative work of the Touhou Project."
Also, there's this on their website, right on top of the page:
--- Quote ---东方project原作：ZUN
二次创作团队：MyACG Studio
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Owner of Touhou Project: ZUN
Derivative work by: MyACG Studio
I'm sure ZUN knows what these people are doing. If at any moment he wants to step in he most likely will do so, which means whether this game gets a PS4 release is still completely undecided.
Omegahugger:
Aren't you that person who spam-posted this in several places on FSS's Facebook page and in their YouTube comment section? I'm wondering what's your intention with this..... (I don't mean anything bad by that, it just seems like you're trying to say something more.)
I think it's important to keep in mind that FSS was explicitly asked by ZUN and his people to discontinue the crowd-funding. As far as I know it's unclear whether this is the case with TCP4's work or not. Or what exemptions ZUN gave them.
ZUN has every right to be 'unfair' or to 'have double-standards': Touhou is his intellectual property. Decided how it evolves is not my right, your right, FSS's right, or TCP4's right; it's exclusively ZUN's right. If he decides to give a project an exemption from his guidelines, he's perfectly allowed to do so - it's no more "unfair" than him deciding not to have Sanae show up in any future game or making the next game's soundtrack techno-oriented are.
Information on this project and ZUN's word on it are a little sparse at this moment but stick around; people like cuc are doing a great job covering this as new details come in. =)