Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

No, you can't.
You can't use any items or skills while you're hexed, and most passives are disabled.

[PX]

That also means that your entire team was ahead enough to be able to farm a hex.

Or everybody rushes for a hex, you don't have to be ahead to farm a hex

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hex has a horrendous build up, you know.

[[Y]oukai [J]esus]

I don't understand how Oracle only has a 39% winrate so far when the hero is so unbalanced.

People that spam purifying flames while not using false promise

[Dorakyura]

Easy.

But she can still crit your face and dodge and lifeleech

[Helepolis]

Seriously; PA makes Ogre look like a scrub. Everything about her is a % chance to crit and a % evasion. Even her dagger can crit; and her Phantom Strike makes her attack fast which gives her a larger chance to get a crit quickly. At least Ogre is functional if he dosen't Multicast.

Blademail.

and pretty decent buff.

? ? ? decent?

But she can still crit your face and dodge and lifeleech

Doom disables blur right?


PS: Pesco is right here. Death is best disable.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Doom only disables evasion, and most other passives, if you have an Aghanim's Scepter.

[trancehime]

Or everybody rushes for a hex, you don't have to be ahead to farm a hex

how does one rush for a hex when they're not ahead and two of the components cost over 2000 gold

kindly explain

Seriously; PA makes Ogre look like a scrub. Everything about her is a % chance to crit and a % evasion. Even her dagger can crit; and her Phantom Strike makes her attack fast which gives her a larger chance to get a crit quickly. At least Ogre is functional if he dosen't Multicast. He still has a stun; slow and pretty decent buff.

Bloodlust is approximately 45% of the reason why hes picked in comp

The rest of it comes from multicast

[Helepolis]

PX, I honestly think you're sometimes on drugs man.

Farming Hex? Rushing? As support? How-to-gold?


@ Dormio

I missed a change then because I thought Agh increased duration and kept the duration fixed as long as Lucifer and victim are in range. So now Doom disables active skills in general but with Agh also disables the passive effects (Which used to be disabled afaik before without agh)?

Edit: Play dota states that Doom disables most passives. No mention of Agh required for this. Agh bonus adds inc duration and the counter freeze. So not sure suddenly what this is about. Unless the wc3 and steam versions are having discrepancies..

Edit 2 Corrected by Hime-chan

[trancehime]

I missed a change then because I thought Agh increased duration and kept the duration fixed as long as Lucifer and victim are in range. So now Doom disables active skills in general but with Agh also disables the passive effects (Which used to be disabled afaik before without agh)?

this was a change that happened in this patch regarding Doom. Doom now only disables actives without aghanim's.

[Helepolis]

this was a change that happened in this patch regarding Doom. Doom now only disables actives without aghanim's.

Right, I guess I missed that for sure. Thanks for the heads up.

[Dorakyura]

Does a person affected by Oracle ult die, when he has Shallow Grave active?

[Zerviscos]

Does a person affected by Oracle ult die, when he has Shallow Grave active?

If Shallow Grave is still active after Oracle's ult. No.


Anyways, srz PA Arcana pays for itself. I practically have bundles of my old sets, and 2 TB Arcanas. TBH. I can sell my old sets, since I can't sell the bundles I got, might as well keep it and sell my sellable sets.

I want to sell the Arcanas though. I want an Exalted quality.

[Bardiche]

Wait, what exactly do you get for fulfilling PA contracts?

[Amraphenson]

trophies and occasionally full cosmetic sets.

[Zerviscos]

My GPM and XPM though.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1060596093

[Bardiche]

Enemy team heavily reliant on magic damage, featuring Wraith King, Skywrath Mage, Disruptor, Tiny and Puck.

Phoenix too stronk. I could literally just swoop behind them, ult, and they'd be stuck between Team BKB and Phoenix.

[Dorakyura]

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1061749890

this fucking centaur.
He was like "you are all shitty players" during lane phase. He fed some time, noone came to gank top (because we ganked their jungle, mid and bot lane) and he goes like "I build rapier" and farms top for 20 minutes.

We were forced to fight 4v5 the rest of the game.
Later, he got a rapier and he almost fed it to the enemy during a fight. Doom droped his midas and picked it up, I did hide the rapier the rest of the game behind some trees in our base.
If he would have fed the rapier, we would have lost that game.

I hope the enemy reported the arshole aswell, 4 reports won't do much.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

That story reminds me of a game I had a while ago: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/947532218

The Warlock on our team is one of my friends and he is super trash at DotA.
Like, he lacks map awareness, has shitty mechanics, doesn't know how to support (or carry or roam or jungle or play any role in general), auto attacks creeps in lane, abandons the lane to farm the jungle at the most random times, etc.
Normally, this guy lanes with one of my friends who likes to play the carry role and is pretty good at it. Good enough that he can still get decent farm despite having the Warlock player fucking up his lane.
Anyway, my friend went offlane Ogre with my other friend on the PotM, leaving the pub Luna to lane with the Warlock.
The first comment that my friends and I made was that this Luna was not going to be happy about having this Warlock in his lane.
The Luna was not happy that he had that Warlock in his lane.
After about 10 minutes of having the Warlock refuse to use skills, auto attack creeps, compete for last hits (the Warlock is terrible at last hitting, by the way), disappearing into the jungle for God knows what reason, and whatever else this guy does in lane, the Luna apologized to me and my two other friends, saying that he couldn't let this Warlock win, and began just A-clicking down a lane whenever he was alive.
Me and two other friends friends just laughed, because we all understood the Luna's pain.
We won anyway.
The Warlock, to this day, thinks that the Luna is shit and that it's not his fault that the lane was going badly for the Luna.

[Bardiche]

What's the proper item buying order for a carry like PA?

[Zerviscos]

What's the proper item buying order for a carry like PA?

Early:
1. Quelling Blade
2. Some tangos
3. A Stout shield
Decent early farm:
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Battlefury[You need it at around 13 mins at the least, if you didn't prioritize Phase Boots, or got a good early farm. 15 mins average(This is AM's max), and 20 mins max. Beyond that you're pretty much underfarmed].
3. Dominator
4. BKB

Situational/Extension
5. Skull Basher
6a. MKB
6b. Butterfly(Diminishing Evasion stack, but the new B.Fly can give you movespeed)
6c. Vladimir over Dominator
6c1. Desolator if you got Vladimir over Dominator

Luxury
5l. Abyssal Blade
3l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel
Contested farm/Gapped
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Dominator
3. BKB
4. Skull Basher

Situational/Extension
5a. Butterfly
5b. Assault Cuirass
6. MKB

Luxury
4l. Abyssal Blade
2l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel
Basically when I'm gapped, I take out fury, and get straight to what I can actually use to clash.

Why Phase over Threads? Simply put, mobility and damage. You last hit better with the dmg, and higher crit dmg. While threads give you bonus stats, and atk speed, the PRD on PA's ult, you rely more on Phantom Strike than the actually dps that threads give. You need mobility, to chase, to flee, and to walk(run) faster from point A to point B. Also Phasing isn't a bad thing.

That's my build. I dunno what the others do with theirs.

[PX]

How most PA games go when rushing Battlefury:
You finish Battlefury at minute 24, and are missing 2 sets of raxes

Do not go Battlefury :|

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Battlefury is fine, provided you get it at an appropriate timing.
Appropriate being around or before 13 minutes.
If you get it later than that, then you're probably losing your lane horribly/farming horribly and you probably deserve to lose that game.

[Bardiche]

How the hell are you supposed to get Battlefury that quickly? @_@

[Amraphenson]

four creeps every thirty seconds for thirteen minutes is about 400 per minute
catapults spawn every seventh wave or three and a half minutes starting at three minutes for like 60-80 gold each
100 passive gold a minute
a tower or two
jungle creeps
kills and assists

Assuming you grab boots and other stuff first, you could feasibly get a battlefury by like 11 minutes just on 500gpm, which is passive gold+every creep in the wave only. Other stuff will happen in lane that may increase or decrease your gpm.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

As Amra said, you don't miss last hits and you should have your battlefury and boots by around the 10 minute mark. You don't even need towers or kill/assist gold.
A little bit of leeway is given because DotA isn't a single player experience, but it definitely should not be slower than 13 minutes assuming you haven't lost your lane.

Also, I never remember that Invoker has this skill called Sunstrike whenever he is on the enemy team.

[Bardiche]

I keep missing last hits, even against bots, or just not getting to the appropriate amount. I guess I need to up my last hit game to really be able to play carries properly.

[yuyukos]

Also, I never remember that Invoker has this skill called Sunstrike whenever he is on the enemy team[/url].

"Wait."
 :V

[Zerviscos]

I keep missing last hits, even against bots, or just not getting to the appropriate amount. I guess I need to up my last hit game to really be able to play carries properly.

Assuming you're playing a pub game. What Amra and Dormio said is practically an ideal situation.

DK's Burning at one point with an Anti-Mage, had one of the, probably the earliest Battlefury in the competitive scene, during G-1 League in 2012, in around 11 mins, and that's without Power Threads. Although consider the fact he had got first blood, and uncontested farm, still he can miss a few last hits.

15 mins is the usual average for most pub players, and 12-13 mins is the least time for uncontested farm(assume you don't get a few last hits). 20 mins is the max for a "Recovery" Battlefury, since you're entering Middle Phase of the game, farming the jungle as fast as you can will be ideal for later time. Although if you're playing AM, 15 mins is the max time, and Fury should be gotten at around 12-13 mins average.

15-20(Recovery) mins is still considered ideal in pub games. And you'll see people saying it so. But try to get it at around 12-13 mins if you're uncontested in farming.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Your farm shouldn't be contested much though though unless you're losing your lane/missing last hits for no reason.
Like, what's an off laner going to do to you in the safe lane?
And if you're being camped by the opposing mid, that should mean that your mid wins since they should have a huge exp/gold advantage over the enemy mid.

Also, 15 minutes is the timing you get your battlefury at if you want to be flamed for failing to last hit in my games. :derp:
Like, if you're farming poorly, why even bother with the battlefury?