Author Topic: League of Legends Thread XV - aww lookit the cute little BLARGHARGH (Read 118669 times)

Ryuu · « **Reply #900 on:** April 03, 2015, 12:55:46 AM »

don't play vlad, he sucks and is for assholes

play vi

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #901 on:** April 03, 2015, 02:18:37 AM »

Vi and Gnar are two very good candidates. Vi has really good damage, is tanky and can escape fights with her Q, gnar is only tanky half of the time (but the on the other half he is really, really painful and not completely not-painful on the first half either). He can also somewhat escape fights with his E.

Bardiche · « **Reply #902 on:** April 03, 2015, 04:26:22 AM »

Vi is thankfully free this week so I'll try her out first! Thanks guys.

EDIT: Also why does Vlad suck? The only Vlad I ever played with was an asshole so that checks out.

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #903 on:** April 03, 2015, 04:28:00 AM »

He sucks...

Spoiler:

also i'm not sure whether he was being sarcastic or not because if he means vlad actually sucks then it'd be because of health costs but if by sucks he means op then it's because of his q (and w)

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #904 on:** April 03, 2015, 04:38:18 AM »

Vlad's gameplay is really non-interactive and extremely snowbally, not to mention there is very little counter to his trollpool or really just Vlad in general, the fact that he's one of the few champions which have the "build x stat, gain % in another stat" passive also doesn't help either because it means he just gets bigger bang for his buck which only helps him snowball HARDER.

That said, his early game is fucking atrocious, which is probably why he doesn't see play at all right now, I'm also pretty sure that all of his non-interaction made Riot nerf him to the ground (although i don't actually remember that happening probably because I don't pay attention to Vlad) so yeah.

Ryuu · « **Reply #905 on:** April 03, 2015, 05:06:51 AM »

vlad just doesn't have enough utility for how little damage he does early, and doesn't have enough damage to justify his lack of utility

his design is also toxic and frustrating so he'll probably never get significantly buffed for long

Garlyle · « **Reply #906 on:** April 03, 2015, 06:49:09 AM »

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That said, his early game is fucking atrocious, which is probably why he doesn't see play at all right now,

He's starting to see pro play. Not necessarily to much success, mind.

The main thing is that while he sustains and is a bitch to kill, being an annoying shit is about everything he brings to the table. People tend to think of him as a tank but he doesn't actually have enough of a threat to draw any attention, he's just there. Being irritating.

Ryuu · « **Reply #907 on:** April 03, 2015, 09:40:33 AM »

faker played him recently and had to get carried by his team to a victory

vlad is so bad that faker can't even do good on him

Raikaria · « **Reply #908 on:** April 03, 2015, 09:54:10 AM »

For what it's worth my brother's been playing vlad rop in ranked and has been apparently doing well and carrying.

He's also silver tho.

Ryuu · « **Reply #909 on:** April 03, 2015, 10:27:00 AM »

apparently ryuu-kyun and friends blew up the guitarist from imagine dragons earlier

http://i.imgur.com/rBrter5.jpg

he was the leona

don't mind my score, i was the team tank

Suikama · « **Reply #910 on:** April 04, 2015, 09:45:45 PM »

oh look it's CLG choking when it matters once again

Ryuu · « **Reply #911 on:** April 04, 2015, 10:02:29 PM »

Quote from: Suikama on April 04, 2015, 09:45:45 PM

oh look it's CLG choking when it matters once again

choking link gaming

Raikaria · « **Reply #912 on:** April 04, 2015, 10:08:13 PM »

CLG was destined to lose.

Liquid had to win. Then they will lose to Cloud9 and finish in the 3rd/4th position.

They cannot be denied.

Also then TSM/C9 finals.

Also HSGG said last time this happened he 'won#t let this happen again' and 'knew all the answers'. Well; GG...

[The twitter post back then: https://twitter.com/clg_hotshotgg/status/505500173129482240]

Edit:
https://twitter.com/CLG_HotshotGG/status/584476834550554625 -
Changes need to be made and they will.

Ryuu · « **Reply #913 on:** April 04, 2015, 10:26:46 PM »

they really need to bench link. ever since he choked vs TSM weeks and weeks ago, he's been playing worse and worse. he's choked in every pressure game and his poor performance has been stacking pressure on the rest of the team. get rid of link and clg will probably be gr8 all season instead of just the beginning

Raikaria · « **Reply #914 on:** April 05, 2015, 06:57:32 PM »

Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Shaco is alongside Poppy in the 'If this is ever a competitive pick we will nerf it to the ground' department.

Well; it just happened.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #915 on:** April 05, 2015, 07:07:59 PM »

That only applies if they become regular competitive picks.

Poppy has been picked in LCS and actually has a 100% win rate in LCS.

But that was one game.

Raikaria · « **Reply #916 on:** April 05, 2015, 09:34:57 PM »

Yep. 1 cheese game in one thing, regular is another.

But still, was Poppy played in such an important game?

Plus everyone hates Shaco so...

Edit: Now we have toplane Shyvana with Smite. On Gravity. Clearly it is to make up for Saint. *shot*

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #917 on:** April 05, 2015, 10:36:08 PM »

Yes, the team that used poppy was two games down, they went with poppy, they won that game and proceeded to win the series.

Also, Poppy carried that particular game, so...

Ryuu · « **Reply #918 on:** April 06, 2015, 02:15:01 AM »

tbh i'm not sure any team besides UOL could have pulled off that pick and on top of that i'm not sure if UOL could have pulled it off against anyone except gambit

it was also very much a mind games pick too. they got gambit on tilt and then the shaco pick made gambit play like total bitches the entire early game.

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #919 on:** April 06, 2015, 02:27:18 AM »

There was Maknoon's Poppy but that didn't go quite as well.

Bardiche · « **Reply #920 on:** April 09, 2015, 03:08:45 PM »

I get why I'm liking League more than DOTA2 at the moment.

I like playing Support. It's not very stressful, and you can help your team mates by making sure they get to do the killing and the enemy team won't do any killing. Or much. Sona is amazing because she can provide so much! (I like Lulu too, though!) Having spellthief's edge and the appropriate masteries mean your gold income is just fine, especially if you poke/harass a lot.

When it comes to support bot, a good support makes or breaks the lane, I feel. At least, whenever I play bot lane, I'm more threatened by enemy support than enemy adc, regardless of whether I'm support or adc. As support, I make it my job to be as annoying as possible and bully the other support (and adc, god willing!) out of the lane.

In DOTA2, support doesn't feel nearly as rewarding, and you hardly have the item slots or even gold to really get rolling unless your team is rolling.

For the foreseeable future, I think I'll be playing League of Sona whenever I feel the MOBA urge.

hyorinryu · « **Reply #921 on:** April 09, 2015, 04:40:10 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on April 09, 2015, 03:08:45 PM

I get why I'm liking League more than DOTA2 at the moment.

I like playing Support. It's not very stressful, and you can help your team mates by making sure they get to do the killing and the enemy team won't do any killing. Or much. Sona is amazing because she can provide so much! (I like Lulu too, though!) Having spellthief's edge and the appropriate masteries mean your gold income is just fine, especially if you poke/harass a lot.

When it comes to support bot, a good support makes or breaks the lane, I feel. At least, whenever I play bot lane, I'm more threatened by enemy support than enemy adc, regardless of whether I'm support or adc. As support, I make it my job to be as annoying as possible and bully the other support (and adc, god willing!) out of the lane.

In DOTA2, support doesn't feel nearly as rewarding, and you hardly have the item slots or even gold to really get rolling unless your team is rolling.

For the foreseeable future, I think I'll be playing League of Sona whenever I feel the MOBA urge.

I think you're the first person I've ever seen say that they prefer league support to dota support.

Bardiche · « **Reply #922 on:** April 09, 2015, 06:18:03 PM »

Quote from: hyorinryu on April 09, 2015, 04:40:10 PM

I think you're the first person I've ever seen say that they prefer league support to dota support.

Why would people like playing DOTA support? D:

EDIT: googled a bit, and let me say that I enjoy the more passive "Can't blame me if a gank goes wrong" attitude LoL supports get to enjoy. I'm there to make the main hero hoist the sails and grab the glory. I'm the guy who tells you where the Master Sword is. It's not glory, it's not amazing. But I like it.

And at the start of the game? We dominate bot lane because I make that happen. And I get rewarded with gold for all my poke efforts. I feel like LoL supports get more reward for doing their job right, whereas a DOTA support struggles to make ends meet if they don't partake in jungling as a part-timer and seizing their own kills.

I do like DOTA2 wards more than LoL wards tho

EDITEDIT: Also gotta say, I feel like bot Sona gets to harass a LOT more and a LOT easier than DOTA2 supports, since sustain is less on LoL.

triangles · « **Reply #923 on:** April 09, 2015, 06:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on April 09, 2015, 06:18:03 PM

I enjoy the more passive "Can't blame me if a gank goes wrong" attitude LoL supports get to enjoy.

hahaha oh bby
Enjoy that while it lasts :ohdear:

(nah some of my favorite characters are support it's a fun position but you will inevitably get blamed for nonsensical reasons same as everyone else welcome to yolo queue!)

Bardiche · « **Reply #924 on:** April 09, 2015, 07:17:27 PM »

I will enjoy it while it lasts, in DOTA2 the carries are way too hard to babysit because they're always pinging everywhere and I need to do a gadjillion things and they never pay attention when I pull so they over-extend and die. In LoL, I can just stay close to my ADC and jerk him or something and no one complains about all the other 50 things I have to do.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #925 on:** April 10, 2015, 02:28:34 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on April 09, 2015, 07:17:27 PM

I will enjoy it while it lasts, in DOTA2 the carries are way too hard to babysit because they're always pinging everywhere and I need to do a gadjillion things and they never pay attention when I pull so they over-extend and die. In LoL, I can just stay close to my ADC and jerk him or something and no one complains about all the other 50 things I have to do.

Man, you would've hated this game back in Season 3 then, the support literally had to ward the entire map and then some.

Supports are unfortunately the role that get shat upon the most, especially by their ADCs, but your assessment of the bot lane dynamics is more or less correct - supports are what makes the bot lane, not the ADCs. That's the entire point of the ADCs after all, being weak early that they need to be carried by a role that is strong early and doesn't need nearly as much income.

Of course, there are exceptions, MF is a godlike duelist even at early levels, Graves has way too much burst if he actually gets in your face, Lucian is kind of good early (although his passive nerfs helped mitigate that somewhat), twitch is really dangerous at low levels, so on and so forth. Every ADC has a quirk that you need to learn but in general it's the support that makes the lane.

(And you probably already know this, but Sona is the third squishiest character in the game (losing only to gnar and anivia iirc) so always be careful when playing as her.)

hyorinryu · « **Reply #926 on:** April 10, 2015, 02:51:19 AM »

Quote from: Toyosatomimi No Sacchi on April 10, 2015, 02:28:34 AM

Man, you would've hated this game back in Season 3 then, the support literally had to ward the entire map and then some.

Supports are unfortunately the role that get shat upon the most, especially by their ADCs, but your assessment of the bot lane dynamics is more or less correct - supports are what makes the bot lane, not the ADCs. That's the entire point of the ADCs after all, being weak early that they need to be carried by a role that is strong early and doesn't need nearly as much income.

Of course, there are exceptions, MF is a godlike duelist even at early levels, Graves has way too much burst if he actually gets in your face, Lucian is kind of good early (although his passive nerfs helped mitigate that somewhat), twitch is really dangerous at low levels, so on and so forth. Every ADC has a quirk that you need to learn but in general it's the support that makes the lane.

(And you probably already know this, but Sona is the third squishiest character in the game (losing only to gnar and anivia iirc) so always be careful when playing as her.)

I thought jungler was blamed the most.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #927 on:** April 10, 2015, 02:55:52 AM »

Well Jungler and Support are generally always competing for "role that gets shat upon the most", although most of what the support gets is definitely from their ADC so eh.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #928 on:** April 10, 2015, 04:09:10 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on April 09, 2015, 06:18:03 PM

Why would people like playing DOTA support? D:

People like DotA support because it's a lot easier to play than the other roles.
Like all you need to do is put down wards and wander around with a tp scroll for ganks/counterganks while not dying too often (the wards you place help a lot with this) early game then let your team carry you to victory.
As opposed to the offlane where you're probably getting about as much farm as the support except you're expected to make plays, mid where you actually need to outplay your opponent and pray that you don't get ganked, or the safe lane carry that is worthless if you can't farm and worthless even if you can farm since you're just going to get cc'd down anyway.

hyorinryu · « **Reply #929 on:** April 10, 2015, 04:52:04 AM »

Quote from: Toyosatomimi No Sacchi on April 10, 2015, 02:55:52 AM

Well Jungler and Support are generally always competing for "role that gets shat upon the most", although most of what the support gets is definitely from their ADC so eh.

Yeah, jungler has solo lanes though. Then again, usually people end up telling the support to ward regardless.