Author Topic: League of Legends Thread XV - aww lookit the cute little BLARGHARGH (Read 118681 times)

Silent Harmony · « **Reply #750 on:** February 19, 2015, 07:28:43 PM »

New champion preview is out.

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Sahgren · « **Reply #751 on:** February 19, 2015, 07:36:24 PM »

My guess is that

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Boltyr · « **Reply #752 on:** February 19, 2015, 08:09:23 PM »

Get hyped <3

Raikaria · « **Reply #753 on:** February 19, 2015, 08:59:35 PM »

They call their kind the Bards. Dosen't mean he IS a bard.

But if he is; or if he's even called Bard; he needs to make a Spoony reference.

Also I hope he dosen't have a lute and is a support. Sona would cry.

Ryuu · « **Reply #754 on:** February 19, 2015, 10:04:19 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on February 19, 2015, 12:07:58 PM

You can't get much lower than 4 base magic damage. Unless you want to make Nidalee's Cougar Ratios scale with ranks in AotC; but the thing is Nidalee's Cougar form is mainly earlygame;

takedown isn't the problem, it's the damage on pounce and swipe giving her a super fast clear and letting her assassinate before 6(which is a problem because a lot of assassins don't get their ability to do so before 6). additionally takedown has enough scaling on other shit(like total AD) to make it too good at lvl 1

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lategame she is spears/heals and nothing else.

um you play with shitty nidalees. if nid can plunk a squishy with a spear she can usually 100-0 them with cougar form's huge jump and the instant burst on swipe and takedown

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Make her early ratios lower [Specifically the total AD ratio on Takedown; her cougar AP ratios are already low and she won't have much AP early]

having differing ratios on abilities is generally a bad idea b/c it interferes with player learning and also makes champion power spikes much, much bigger

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and you completely remove Nidalee from the game.

yes please

Quote from: Mimeslayer on February 19, 2015, 07:28:43 PM

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Apparently it's a bard, which is weird because I always assumed Sona was the bard of League. Also I'm sorry but who is the "shattered crown" talking about (I'm stupid)?

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Raikaria · « **Reply #755 on:** February 19, 2015, 10:12:55 PM »

Quote from: Ryuu on February 19, 2015, 10:04:19 PM

um you play with shitty nidalees. if nid can plunk a squishy with a spear she can usually 100-0 them with cougar form's huge jump and the instant burst on swipe and takedown

having differing ratios on abilities is generally a bad idea b/c it interferes with player learning and also makes champion power spikes much, much bigger

1: Yes; I do play with awful jungle Nidalees. And if Nidalee in a lategame senario is A: Landing a Spear on a squishy and B: Manageing to get into melee cougar range with a damage build without being blown up and/or C.C'ed to death; something is horribly wrong.

2: I never said it was a good idea; just the only real way to nerf her ability damage. Besides; Pounce only has 50 base damage. 100 damage is impressive at Level 1 and 2... and is very quickly subpar after that until Nidalee's first R rank. The issue is the 1.5 second refresh; which lets her clear certain camps quickly. She's pretty bad at Gromp since she can't get the Pounce CDR.

Although honestly; why the hell does Pounce have a cooldown refresh mechanic anyway? It's 5 seconds base anyway, and 40% CDR puts it at 2.6...

Cadmas · « **Reply #756 on:** February 19, 2015, 10:33:07 PM »

Inb4 we get a badass Skald.

Ryuu · « **Reply #757 on:** February 19, 2015, 11:00:41 PM »

Quote from: Raikaria on February 19, 2015, 10:12:55 PM

1: Yes; I do play with awful jungle Nidalees. And if Nidalee in a lategame senario is A: Landing a Spear on a squishy and B: Manageing to get into melee cougar range with a damage build without being blown up and/or C.C'ed to death; something is horribly wrong.

well one, that's just one scenario. but the range on pounce is fucking huge(like 750. like farther than anyone in the game(except ulting twitch) can auto attack). getting a kill also reduces the cooldown on pounce making for an easy escape

of course, nidalee also has the option of just sitting outside your turret with her team and pelting you with spears until you lose

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2: I never said it was a good idea; just the only real way to nerf her ability damage. Besides; Pounce only has 50 base damage. 100 damage is impressive at Level 1 and 2... and is very quickly subpar after that until Nidalee's first R rank.

50 damage is way too much in the jungle for a manaless ability you can use every fuckin 1.5 seconds on an ap poke mage who needs to risk nothing to gank, who also has a heal

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The issue is the 1.5 second refresh; which lets her clear certain camps quickly. She's pretty bad at Gromp since she can't get the Pounce CDR.

yeah it's almost like nidalee doesn't ever need to touch gromp ever until she can full burst it at like level 6.

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Although honestly; why the hell does Pounce have a cooldown refresh mechanic anyway? It's 5 seconds base anyway, and 40% CDR puts it at 2.6...

idk. it's dumb. nidalee is dumb. #removenidalee2015

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #758 on:** February 19, 2015, 11:30:53 PM »

Quote from: Ryuu on February 19, 2015, 11:00:41 PM

idk. it's dumb. nidalee is dumb. #removenidalee2015

They probably wanted her to be a mobility-based fighter, kinda like how tristana is a highly mobile adc.

which would be cool and all if pounce didn't already have a stupidly low cooldown and she wasn't basically an assassin with a ton of poke a ton of damage a ton of mobility who can also build tanky. and heal.

Boltyr · « **Reply #759 on:** February 20, 2015, 02:44:18 AM »

I'll just reinforce #removenidalee2015

I don't miss the old Nidalee AP who could shut down a carry with a single spear :')

Ryuu · « **Reply #760 on:** February 20, 2015, 02:48:48 AM »

the only way nidalee can be "balanced" in her current state imo is if her human form is good, or her cougar form is good, but not both.

she should either be a poke mage or a mobile fighter/assassin but not both simultaneously

Sahgren · « **Reply #761 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:57:40 AM »

Personally, it's Nid's spammable heal that pushes her over the edge for me. Her being able to out trade you by going in after poking with a skillshot wouldn't be nearly as frustrating if she wasn't capable of non-interactively undoing any damage you deal while she's poking. If that wasn't there then you'd at least have more incentive to try to jump on her when a spear misses.

triangles · « **Reply #762 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:00:09 PM »

You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced Nemesis Mode was an experiment to show the community there are no bad champs only bad players.
(it's me)
(I'm the bad player)

Boltyr · « **Reply #763 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:31:17 PM »

I didn't try Nemesis Draft yet. But probably I'll do pretty bad. I barely made into Gold last season. ;_;

triangles · « **Reply #764 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:36:13 PM »

Yo I'm Queen of Wood Tier it doesn't matter :V

Raikaria · « **Reply #765 on:** February 20, 2015, 04:30:11 PM »

They gave me Lulu today in Nemesis Draft.

Lulu is kinda my secondary main who I can play in any role except jungle. [And I could play her there in S3/4]

I went ADC Lulu and they surrended at 21 mins to the 7-0-2 Lulu who had a Triforce; Zerks and an almost-finished IE.

Patorikku · « **Reply #766 on:** February 20, 2015, 09:00:36 PM »

Quote from: triangles on February 20, 2015, 03:00:09 PM

You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced Nemesis Mode was an experiment to show the community there are no bad champs only bad players.
(it's me)
(I'm the bad player)

I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.

(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)

Raikaria · « **Reply #767 on:** February 20, 2015, 09:04:51 PM »

Quote from: Patorikku on February 20, 2015, 09:00:36 PM

I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.

(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)

People give people low winrate champs?

I just have people give each other Janna; Leona and Sona all the time. Despite them often being Top 10.

theshirn · « **Reply #768 on:** February 20, 2015, 09:18:19 PM »

Quote from: Patorikku on February 20, 2015, 09:00:36 PM

I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.

(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)

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Ryuu · « **Reply #769 on:** February 20, 2015, 11:08:59 PM »

Quote from: Patorikku on February 20, 2015, 09:00:36 PM

I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.

(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)

in 5s it can get pretty involved. trying to guess what they want to give you based on their first pick and then trying to give them a shitty team to deal with that before they realize what you're doing

Widermelonz · « **Reply #770 on:** February 20, 2015, 11:58:50 PM »

A strong team-comp of the shittiest champions is better than a shitty team-comp of strong champs.

Raikaria · « **Reply #771 on:** February 21, 2015, 09:42:04 PM »

People; stop giving me Mordekaiser in Nemesis Draft.

All that happens if the Huehuehue intensifies.

Also me playing Morde is a paradox. I love playing C.C tanks who dictate the flow of a fight with C.C and initiate.

Mordekaiser has no mobility or C.C or initiation ability at all. But he does fit into the other thing I love:

PUSHPUSHPUSHFARMFARMFARMPUSHPUSHPUSHFARMFARMFARM - All while harassing

Aka: Why my favorite ADC is Sivir; she makes engages happen AND she does the whole farm and push while harassing a little thing.

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Also Saint is playing Jungle Nunu. I'm waiting for the inevitable Saint Smite while he also has Consume.

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I consider myself a decent Sivir. But my lord Cop's Spellsheilds.

Cadmas · « **Reply #772 on:** February 22, 2015, 05:19:43 PM »

Even though morde is considered "bad" people seem to forget he still can 1v5 late game by staying in place.

Ryuu · « **Reply #773 on:** February 22, 2015, 09:53:32 PM »

Quote from: Cadmas on February 22, 2015, 05:19:43 PM

Even though morde is considered "bad" people seem to forget he still can 1v5 late game by staying in place.

except..... he can't................... especially without dfg..........................

Raikaria · « **Reply #774 on:** February 22, 2015, 10:36:41 PM »

Morde couldn't 1v5 anyway.

He can wreck teamfights if he is not focused down hard enough; because he will output heavy AoE; has the ghost threat and can shrug off things like residual AoE with his passive. Morde demands focus and attention. He's a bullet magnet.

Bullets which could be going towards; say; a Vayne.

Sahgren · « **Reply #775 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:01:32 PM »

Bard, the newest champ, is apparently a mobility based support. Notably, he can allow both allies and enemies to ignore a wall and his ult is a mass Zhonyas.

Suikama · « **Reply #776 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:23:15 PM »

oh hey naga siren

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #777 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:51:08 PM »

Don't know how good he'll actually be as a support since his entire kit is basically based around not being with your ADC while that's basically the whole point of the support role for the beginning of the game.

He'll probably be ridiculously good at pro levels since supports there roam all the time and everything anyway but probably not in solo q, especially with that ult.

tbh, I'm disappointed in the champ. He's a Bard in-name-only so my hype has died.

Sahgren · « **Reply #778 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:54:44 PM »

Quote from: Toyosatomimi No Sacchi on February 24, 2015, 08:51:08 PM

He'll probably be ridiculously good at pro levels since supports there roam all the time and everything anyway but probably not in solo q, especially with that ult.

Come on, Zhonyas-ing all 9 other people during a Baron fight would be hilarious. Admittedly not exactly helpful, but his ult being able to CC his own allies opens up some truly glorious trolling potential.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #779 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:56:41 PM »

Now Kalista and Bard players will be able to troll each other!

(While the rest of their team reports them because holy fuck.)

Author Topic: League of Legends Thread XV - aww lookit the cute little BLARGHARGH (Read 118681 times)

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