League of Legends Thread XV - aww lookit the cute little BLARGHARGH

[Widermelonz]

hello solo queue meet AD alistar

oh god, a lot solo queue players probably don't know that Worlds is played on the 4.14 patch, and will try to play top AD cow and won't realized that he's been nerfed.

[Garlyle]

hello solo queue meet AD alistar

what the fuck

[Think Komachi with a Rifle]

what the fuck

4.14 man.
He got nerfbatted for good reason.
That was SK being behind on kills and cs,  but ahead on objectives  for most of the game. With candypanda's big lead negated by it being blue ez lategame.
IE cow for better tower killing. (and GA popping)

[Raikaria]

That cow build is like; not even new.

I've been seeing it and hearing about it for a while. Since the patch before the Worlds patch.

But yeah; free sucker-punch after headbutt Triforce+IE+Bonus AD from Ulti+Shiv Crit Chance = KABOOM. And you have good HP so can let Unbreakable Will do the rest.

[Aba Matindesu!]

Spoiler:

YEAH DAE AHQ SO RESIDENTSLEEPER AMIRITE? YEAH DAE SEA SHOULD BE A WILDCARD TEAM AMIRITE??? COME ON, OUT OF THE WOODWORK WITH Y'ALL, MY OTHER BOYS ON FIRE TONIGHT

e:

Spoiler:

TIEBREAKER GET

[Suikama]

You tried TSM

Spoiler:

but then sven happened

_{racism confirmed op once again}

[Raikaria]

EU proving that if Sven wasn't a racist idiot TSM would be out. Also EU #3 beat NA #1.

But seriously; not only has Sven knocked his own team out; he's basically doomed TSM to Samsung White. Who they will not beat. TSM never beats Koreans. [Apparently Korean forums are saying they have a free path to Semis now]

[H4xolotl]

Hmmm has anyone seen this LoL x Touhou crossover video?
Teemo stole the Precious thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejx6NCjdSxk

[Sahgren]

There's also Draven Stole the Baron Thing, which is objectively better on account of it featuring Draven.

It looks like the Sion rework is going to be released relatively soon. They're throwing out the teasers now.

[H4xolotl]

There's also Draven Stole the Baron Thing, which is objectively better on account of it featuring Draven.

It looks like the Sion rework is going to be released relatively soon. They're throwing out the teasers now.

I wonder who the "Thorn" and "Petal" people in the teaser are.

[チソウ タイゼン]

Nine bots. Why was this allowed to happen

[Schezo]

I agree delete aram

[Raikaria]

*Looks at lore so far of what seems to be Sion rework*

So... he's an undead Darius.

I mean; let's decribe Darius and then describe Sion:

Darius:
Right hand of the Grand General of Noxus
Believes in strength and facing his enemies
Wields a large axe
Melee Fighter

[Apparent] Reworked Sion
Right hand of the [past] Grand General of Noxus
Belives in strength and facing his enemies
Weilds a large axe
Melee Fighter [Judgeing from his new lore I think AP is what's being ditched]

I'm not exactly impressed that so far new Sion seems to be, at least lore-wise, Undead Darius.

[Silent Harmony]

In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.

[Ryuu]

In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.

i think raikaria is incapable of trying to shit all over anything riot puts out the second it's spoken about

[Widermelonz]

Game 1: Me in bot lane, we win lane really early, and help out other lanes. Midgame no one listens to pings and keeps getting caught in unwarded enemy jungle. Defeat.
Game 2: I'm jungle kha. I snowball every lane. Winning super hard. 7-2 by 14 minutes and already took down 2 towers and dragon. Got drop hacked.
Game 3: Kha again, winning again. 5-1 and a tower at 10 minutes. My adc disconnects. Defeat.

just another average day in solo q

[Raikaria]

In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.

And the next parts are about him after he was resurrected.

I dunno I woulda liked alive Sion to be... not a Darius clone.

Apparently resurrected his an unstoppable force who kills friends and foes alike. Which *is* new.

He was goofy before, now he's going DARK SERIOUS MODE. That said his old ulti was called cannibalism so ~_[._.]_~

And Ryuu consider Riot are taking a dump on all the old lore high standards are expected of the new lore.

[Ryuu]

And Ryuu consider Riot are taking a dump on all the old lore high standards are expected of the new lore.

you are literally mad about a noxian who used an axe that came out before darius being reworked into a noxian who uses an axe with lore that makes him a little more relevant than being "some guy good at killing people"

[Sahgren]

I think Sion's new lore is actually more interesting because his personality in life seems so similar to Darius'. It raises the question if the same could happen to Darius, or any other high ranking/powerful Noxian champion, and makes the fact that he's now an insane zombie killing machine more tragic. Considerably more tragic than his old lore of him being an insane killing machine in life that was brought back as a zombie.

[Ryuu]

yeah i can't imagine anyone unironically thinking that anything could be worse than arnie quote machine/killer mcguy without just searching for something to cry about

[Raikaria]

yeah i can't imagine anyone unironically thinking that anything could be worse than arnie quote machine/killer mcguy without just searching for something to cry about

Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?

Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.

I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died. He sure wasn't promoted in death.

Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...

So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.

Maybe it'll get better with Days 3 and 4. But so far it's very disappointing especially with the fact that most past lore is being outright removed, including the Leauge itself. When you do something so drastic as retcon all lore so far and remove the game's namesake from the lore people expect big things to replace it.

[Silent Harmony]

Ok, I'll admit something very controversial.

I never really read up on old league lore before today.

It's not that I don't like lore or reading. I'm the kind of person that will read every word of a quest chain even if the reward is useless on my character. I just never got into League's lore though. Part of it was because of my on-off relationship with the game, but a lot of it stemmed from how seemingly random everything felt. Like seriously wasn't old Nasus an alien librarian that was just randomly summoned at the worst possible moment by summoners? And then he was easily convinced that fighting in the league was somehow more important than going back home and finishing the war with his people?

Now we have Sion, who simply was a random mindless killing machine while alive turned random mindless killing machine while dead. Now in two parts he is a famous Noxian warrior who died killing a king (rather than simply being caught and executed) tragically reborn as a mindless killing machine who can't tell ally from enemy. Much more interesting and that's only half of his lore apparently.

I honestly am liking the idea at least of connecting everything into one world instead of having it being so seemingly random. Sure sometimes the execution is flawed but it honestly has me caring more now than before. Assuming they flesh out some stories more (like Xerath's motivation for betraying Azir) then I'm happy.

Just my two cents though. :blush:

Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?

Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.

I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died.

Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...

So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.

Was seriously about to post when you did.

First off, how is "mindless battering ram" in life better than a strong warrior who single-handedly took on an army and killed a king? How is dying by getting captured due to stupidity and then executed better than dying killing said king with your final breath? Face it he was generic "kill them all guy" in life before. Sure you can argue new "alive" Sion was Darius in a past life but I'll personally take that over mindless battering ram any day.

Secondly what part of "part 2 of 4" do you not get? His lore is not done. Nasus' quote carries no meaning now sure but it may be scrapped altogether by the time we're done.

Thirdly, I wonder where you get "Darkwill has to kill entire squads"? Not being confrontational, I am genuinely curious? Is it old lore? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the new lore, so if you can point it out or link it I'd very much appreciate it.

Finally, and this is my biggest question concerning Sion lore, why was he alone? I mean if you had the power to raise an army of undead warriors who apparently get stronger after reanimation why stop at one? Is it because of the league? Because if so that just shows how limiting having the IoW and summoners was.

 

Holy crap this post got out of control... :wikipedia:

[Garlyle]

I'm not seeing that anywhere in the new lore, so if you can point it out or link it I'd very much appreciate it.

During today's update, it's stated that Darkwill had to 'cull three squads for refusing to march alongside it', which it's fair to assume is Noxian Euphemism for "we had them executed".

That said, old Sion wasn't really anything.  He was just sort of there, a loosely slapped together set of ideas that didn't really mesh.  "Here's arnold the undead battle zombie with caster spells but wants to slap things in the face to get HP!".   If Sion is an 'undead Darius' now, it's because Darius was basically 'Okay, this time let's do what we wanted to do with Sion but not have it suck this time'.  Just because the original Sion was 'unique' for his awkward schwarzenegger impression didn't mean it was actually good.

Finally, and this is my biggest question concerning Sion lore, why was he alone? I mean if you had the power to raise an army of undead warriors who apparently get stronger after reanimation why stop at one? Is it because of the league? Because if so that just shows how limiting having the IoW and summoners was.

This question is making a lot more sense in the current light.  It's not that Noxus can't bring back the dead, because the Rose clearly have the capabilities (albeit with great effort apparently in order to do so) - but rather that it seems that Sion is both the great Noxian hero and the great Noxian horror story - a hero so powerful turned into a monster unstoppable and uncontrollable.

I'm interested to see where this goes.

[Ryuu]

Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?

unique =/= good

something's uniqueness in a group does not inherently make it good

four pots of flowers and a pot of shit stand in a row. the pot of shit is unique, but it's a pot of shit

Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.

he didn't see frontline fighting because a: the fuckin wars stopped and b: he was more valuable as a league champion because everything was done through the league and not actual war

without the league, he's kind of in a null zone of value

I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died. He sure wasn't promoted in death.

that quote had already lost its meaning because there are literally no other noxus zombies. it would have been meaningful if it was a common practice, but it wasn't. literally just sion.  also the quote was more of a commentary of noxus's lack of respect towards the dead rather than a literal interpretation.

Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe.

which is infinitely more interesting than arnie killer mcguy

The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale.

it doesn't have to show anything about darius's fate? darius has nothing going on here. you're the only person thinking of darius

Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...

once again, a billion times more interesting than his shitty old lore

So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.

except he literally was. his entire lore was "he just ran at demacia and killed them until he got captured like a moron and died. then noxus resurrected him". he had literally nothing notable going on. the only part of the previous lore that was actually about sion as a person was literally just "he ran at people until they died." he had no personality traits, no notable feats, no factoids or personal connections, just killing people

Maybe it'll get better with Days 3 and 4. But so far it's very disappointing especially with the fact that most past lore is being outright removed, including the Leauge itself. When you do something so drastic as retcon all lore so far and remove the game's namesake from the lore people expect big things to replace it.

you're complaining except you forget that sion is basically the only relaunch that requires a full simultaneous rework. he requires a VU because his model is garbage, he requires new lines because his old voice is dated and arnie jokes aren't funny, the new lines require new lore(which is what we're seeing now) to back them up, and on top of all of that he needed a full gameplay rework

due to the scope of that project, it would be completely fucking ass on head stupid to not release him when they were done instead of waiting for bigger lore things to happen first.

i'd say that i couldn't believe that you're even mad about this, but then i remember that you get pissy about literally every single change that happens so whatever

[H4xolotl]

I've always wondered if the LoL lore was "terrible" in the sense that it was sparse and not very well developed in an effort to try and engage the community to produce something better... like Touhou.

Its clearly not working as well though 

[Sahgren]

Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...

I'll admit to cheating a little on the information on this one: LoLWiki has datamined his story.

Spoiler:

The third one mentions that the Noxian government wiped the whole debacle from the history books. Nobody's going to learn from this and they have the power to do it again. There's no saying that the same sort of thing is never going to happen again.

[Silent Harmony]

During today's update, it's stated that Darkwill had to 'cull three squads for refusing to march alongside it', which it's fair to assume is Noxian Euphemism for "we had them executed".

Huh I totally missed that. Thanks.

This question is making a lot more sense in the current light.  It's not that Noxus can't bring back the dead, because the Rose clearly have the capabilities (albeit with great effort apparently in order to do so) - but rather that it seems that Sion is both the great Noxian hero and the great Noxian horror story - a hero so powerful turned into a monster unstoppable and uncontrollable.

I'm interested to see where this goes.

Yeah that's my point. In the old lore Sion was reanimated into an even more powerful being and Noxus kind of just stopped there. In the new lore it makes much more sense.

-spoilers-

Spoilers tag please. Just for those of us who wish to follow it slowly rather than read a datamine. Thank you. 

[Mr. Sacchi]

Well, with Day 3 now out, I think we have most of the new lore covered, honestly don't remember what was datamined from day 4 except

Spoiler:

a video

.

I'm actually enjoying the new lore quite a bit, new Sion feels like he's actually important and not just a thing that's there. That said, I kind of want to know where exactly they'll go with this, until then, I'm more interested in that supposed Shurima epilogue.

I'm still wondering which Jarvan was killed though, but I don't know if that will ever be answered. Most people are saying Jarvan II, I'm thinking Jarvan I on the sole fact that he was the only one not even mentioned yet (IIRC).

I also wonder if they'll flesh out Vayne's lore at some point, 'cause, you know, Vayne. If they keep up this level of quality though, I will be pleased.

[Aba Matindesu!]

Well, with Day 3 now out, I think we have most of the new lore covered, honestly don't remember what was datamined from day 4 except

Spoiler:

a video

.

I'm actually enjoying the new lore quite a bit, new Sion feels like he's actually important and not just a thing that's there. That said, I kind of want to know where exactly they'll go with this, until then, I'm more interested in that supposed Shurima epilogue.

I'm still wondering which Jarvan was killed though, but I don't know if that will ever be answered. Most people are saying Jarvan II, I'm thinking Jarvan I on the sole fact that he was the only one not even mentioned yet (IIRC).

I also wonder if they'll flesh out Vayne's lore at some point, 'cause, you know, Vayne. If they keep up this level of quality though, I will be pleased.

If we go by Xin Zhao's lore, J3 should still be alive... so it probably is J2. However, in the war of the Crystal Scar, it looked more like J4 was involved (

Spoiler:

despite "him" actually being LeBlanc

) and neither J3 nor J2 were mentioned.

e: i can't into story, the war mentioned in Sion's new lore seems to have nothing to do with Crystal Scar, whoops

[Sahgren]

Prepare to dunk.

Spoiler:

Unfortunately, his voice doesn't seem as gravely as usual. I'm a little sad about that.

Edit: Apparently his bleed is now replaced with little basketballs circling the opponent, with the 5th mark being a flaming hoop.

It seems like they've also found Championship Shyvana, Ravenborn Leblanc, and Underworld Wukong skins.