League of Legends Thread XV - aww lookit the cute little BLARGHARGH

[Ryuu]

I understand where Riot is coming from ryuu, don't get me wrong, I just don't agree with it. Game Lore should be a part of the game itself - not separate from it. And if it's not in the game (which is the part of league that really matters) then the lore might as well not exist.

That's my take on it though, feel free to disagree.

it's not like lore won't have a place in league. like it's cooler playing ezreal, super famous explorer dude instead of ezreal, anime guy. or like, riven, the noxus exile seeking her own path vs riven, sad girl w/ sword

but MOBAs just suck for progressing stories. the most you can do would be like a soldier vs demoman kind of event like tf2 did

Also, what are you implying.

riot has stated that they want to make more games

they even pointed out that they're company name is riot gameS with an s implying plural

they're hiring a bunch of people from different disciplines of game design, likely to start making new league related games that will do things to progress the lore. or maybe even movies or books or who knows what. they have a lot of people rn who can put out all sorts of stuff

you are now manually imagining a jak and daxter type game starring ezreal in piltover where ezreal upgrades his glove to get a bunch of different weapons and abilities

you are now manually imagining a tenchu/metal gear type game starring the kinkou team and/or zed

you are now manually imagining dynasty warriors with garen and darius and so on

and these are just knock-off games from the top of my head, so who knows what they might create in the future

[Garlyle]

I just see no reason to remove the lore from the client at all. Especially if there is nothing within the client indicating that there is more, much less a link to the rest...

There was supposed to be a link.

The major thing though is that apparently the client itself has some hard limits to what can be added as Lore in the client.  Like, literally, there's limited text space.  This is something they plan to fix in the future as part of the launcher rebuild, but I'd like to hope that's why things are being done as they are.

Too busy watching smash streams and catching up on a year's worth of Q&A posts on Azir to check right now @_@

EDIT: according to the Q&A, the click-through link will be added once the Shurima event's second half comes up and the full-form bios are added to the site.

[Iryan]

EDIT: according to the Q&A, the click-through link will be added once the Shurima event's second half comes up and the full-form bios are added to the site.

Hmm. Little screw up on the timing then but ok, you've redeemed yourself Riot.

Unrelatedly: Started to play some ranked on EUW now. So far, 3 wins 2 losses. In both losses, someone on our team disconnected at some point and didn't come back. I hope disconnects deciding games this often won't become a trend.  :V

[Mr. Sacchi]

[stuff about riot making other games]

Pfff, of course the first thing I imagine is MGR with Zed as the protagonist.

I'd buy it.

Still, it does bring in the problem that pushing resources into these games will take resources away from league itself (and I don't mean just people, I mean money too) so that's something to worry about.

Though I guess in the end putting marketing around these games indirectly puts marketing around league itself so I guess they're also indirectly investing in league

bah, thinking is hard, I'll just wait to see what Riot comes up with.

@Edit

POPPY IS ON THE LCS

First mid pony and now poppy what is this

[Ryuu]

Still, it does bring in the problem that pushing resources into these games will take resources away from league itself (and I don't mean just people, I mean money too) so that's something to worry about.

money yes, but not so much people

it's kind of the "three's a crowd" saying. you can only have so many people working on a project before extra people just start being in the way. but if you have two projects, then suddenly a lot of people have a lot of things they can do

[Suikama]

it's kind of the "three's a crowd" saying. you can only have so many people working on a project before extra people just start being in the way.

isnt that more like the "too many cooks in the kitchen" saying? :derp:

[Mr. Sacchi]

Okay that poppy game was amazing.

And, uh, they're buffing Soraka's rework to hell and back.

I'm particularly worried because most of these changes seem to go against what they wanted to do with Soraka's rework (make her easy to kill but a massive healbot), the fact that Equinox now deals damage is worrying because that's basically the only thing it didn't do before (and any damage > no damage) and didn't riot learn anything about making a healing spell cure grievous wounds.

[Iryan]

Poppy nerfs incoming.  :qq:

And, uh, they're buffing Soraka's rework to hell and back.

So, what is preventing you from playing the current instance of the soraka rewort like a drain tank who occasionally throws out heals? I mean, what is preventing her from building a decent amoung of HP is the %hp cost on the heal, and if you go sololaner you don't care that much about building some HP.


Edit: I think I might finally have a favorite team.  :*

[Suikama]

Well, there are two choices; I'm OK with both to some extent;

* Rework Poppy and make her a real pick in League, balance appropriately.

* Don't rework Poppy, and never ever buff her, and nerf her if she ever sees play.

RIP in Poppies

[Mr. Sacchi]

I think Riot stated that they would nerf Poppy if they ever found a way to make her early game not suck.

[Ryuu]

isnt that more like the "too many cooks in the kitchen" saying? :derp:

isn't your face more like MY FIST

PUNCHING YOUR FACE

[Iryan]

Too many threes crowd the kitchen.

Also, I now believe in unicorns! :munch:

Well, moreso.

[Aba Matindesu!]

Meanwhile, pr0lly is doing his best Faker impression.

[Sahgren]

It's pretty telling how much of that game was the pr0lly show when half of the highlight reel consists solely of him killing people.

Edit: Looks like 1 upset in each LCS. Now to see who makes it in via the expansion tournaments.

[Garlyle]

Unicorns of Love are seriously my favourite team in the LCS ever the picks they pull out

And now they're in.  Hell yeah.

edit: oh my god phreak

[Suikama]

worlds analyst desk is once again gonna be the every shits on doublelift desk

its gonna be great

[Garlyle]

I had to be specifically asking for my team captains to not ban Fiora in order to play her in Ascension

I'd say "what the fuck" but I went 25+ kills twice as her, out of the five winning rounds I played, which was by a notable margin the highest score I saw in any of the games, so...

[Mr. Sacchi]

Master Yi is apparently getting very similar results in Ascension, don't ask me why.

[triangles]

I feel like I'd like Ascension a lot more if they cut the win condition to 100 or 150pts and/or took the insanely ridiculous champs out of the pool ala URF mode.

[Garlyle]

Master Yi is apparently getting very similar results in Ascension, don't ask me why.

Similar reasons to Fiora, I'd guess on analysis.  It's a full time jungle fight with very little vision, which is great for assassins and melee champs in general (easier to get onto people).  All gold/exp generation being passive means not being shut down.  It's more or less the perfect environment for the kind of assassin-melee ADC hybrid that those two champions are, and I'd imagine Yasuo would be pretty close to similarly stupid.

[Iryan]

Ended placement matches 5-5. Got dropped in Silver III.
When I ended 5-5 on NA in season 3, I got dropped into Bronze I. Huh.

At any rate, that is a distance from Gold V that is possible to attain, but will need some work. I should probably try to play at least 4 ranked games every day I have the opportunity. Hmm...

[Sahgren]

I get the feeling that I would do considerably better if I just stopped doing completely braindead things. Like forgetting that the opponent has Ignite and I don't when I all in them or blowing all of my movement abilities at the start of a fight instead of saving them for when they're needed.

[Iryan]

On problem for me might be that I tend to play champions which are not easy to carry with. Setting aside that I am support main and that if my teammates both lose lane and make bad decisions despite of my wards, pings etc I lack the raw power to carry by myself. Same goes for Lulu mid. But I don't feel good picking Lux into a Fizz, for instance, so yeah.

Also, this was an interesting game. Evidently, Blinding Dart > Fed Vayne. And then Aatrox stole baron. 


Edit: It appears botlane premades in ranked are either amazing or terrible. In my last game ours even announced that the enemy botlane was not a premade and that Ezreal's kda and w/l was terrible, so it would be easy. Naturally, 2 minutes later... FIRST BLOOD! ENEMY DOUBLE KILL! And said Ezreal ended 20/3/7.  :derp:

[Aba Matindesu!]

Setting aside that I am support main and that if my teammates both lose lane and make bad decisions despite of my wards, pings etc I lack the raw power to carry by myself. Same goes for Lulu mid.

Edit: It appears botlane premades in ranked are either amazing or terrible. In my last game ours even announced that the enemy botlane was not a premade and that Ezreal's kda and w/l was terrible, so it would be easy. Naturally, 2 minutes later... FIRST BLOOD! ENEMY DOUBLE KILL! And said Ezreal ended 20/3/7.  :derp:

This happened to me last night as well. Granted, it might have been much easier if our top wasn't lagging really badly due to his fam watching stuff on Netflix, but I digress; stomping lane and roaming decently won't stop  an adc from positioning horribly and diving face first into clearly bad teamfights.

[Mr. Sacchi]

So, I got tired of waiting for Darude Sandstorm Azir so I bought Gnar.

Game number one I get absolutely fed despite going against Yasuo top but ultimately lose because Yasuo + Katarina + Kog'Maw = too much lategame power.

Game Number 2 I go against Akali top and absolutely destroy her, but she leaves lane as soon as I get level 6 and Yasuo comes to lane against me, we pretty much enter a staring contest for the following 7 minutes (while he denies me most of my farm) and I eventually die, so I spend the next 10 minutes alternating between doing wight, wolves and pushing top until I get my Trinity + Botrk and destroy the enemy team because stunlocks OP.

And somehow, it's always the Yasuos that get fed.

[Raikaria]

So, I got tired of waiting for Darude Sandstorm Azir so I bought Gnar.

Game number one I get absolutely fed despite going against Yasuo top but ultimately lose because Yasuo + Katarina + Kog'Maw = too much lategame power.

Game Number 2 I go against Akali top and absolutely destroy her, but she leaves lane as soon as I get level 6 and Yasuo comes to lane against me, we pretty much enter a staring contest for the following 7 minutes (while he denies me most of my farm) and I eventually die, so I spend the next 10 minutes alternating between doing wight, wolves and pushing top until I get my Trinity + Botrk and destroy the enemy team because stunlocks OP.

And somehow, it's always the Yasuos that get fed.

I'm sure part of the reason Game 1 was Gnar's complete ineptitude at starting/staying in teamfights. [Mini dies instantly and has no damage; Mega gets kited]. If someone else can start the fight or help him get in while in Mega form that's fine. It's like Yasuo is a lot better with other people who do knockups.

But with an enemy team of Akali/Yasuo who are melee and soft Gnar functions fine. If they come to him he can do stuff. Provided Akali doesn't decide to kill you while you are Mini.

[Mr. Sacchi]

Raikaria, did you even look at my build? Mini gnar or no they'd have to spend a LOT of resources to kill me in that first game, I mean, come on, Locket, Spirit Visage, Ninja Tabi, Sunfire Cape and a Trinity Force? Hard to get tankier than that.

And I contest your claim that Mega Gnar gets kited, because stunlocks exist. And slows exist. No, the reason we lost the first game was because we couldn't close out the first game no matter how much we tried so they got into the Yasuo/Katarina/Kog'Maw lategame and then destroyed us because I was stupid and didn't peel the Yasuo/Kat off my team (so Kog'maw destroyed me after I got locked out by Thresh).

[Raikaria]

Yes, if it takes a lot to kill Mini Gnar however he is dealing no damage whatsoever. [Same with Mega Gnar with that build]. People can ignore him. And a tank Mini Gnar is literally less efficient than any other champion in the game with a tank build. Because Mini Gnar has no C.C besides a minor slow, no damage with said tank build, and is the softest champion in the entire game in the later phases. [Lowest Lv 18 HP; lowest non-Thresh armor, 30 MR]

And Mega Gnar is hard to peel; but not hard to kite. He's hard to get away from once he is on top of you because like Olaf he has a semi-resetting skillshot slow which is difficult for him to miss at close range, combined with his 1 and a half stuns [The second is position reliant]. When he isn't on top of you already he's easy to keep away from.

Mega Gnar is useful, particularly in fights in enclosed areas like the jungle where it is easier for him to land boulders at range to close in and near effortless for him to perform stuns with GNAR!. Sadly Mini Gnar is a useless lump of fluff. Also Mega Gnar is far, far more effective as a follow-up initiator, not a main initiator. Be it someone like Malphite or Amumu or Sejuani, or even just somerthing less hard like a Thresh flying in; ulting and lanturning you in.

Alone Mega Gnar is mediocre at best. With team support, like Yasuo or Rumble, he becomes a lot stronger. Which is a good thing seeing as this is a team game. He's still bad as Mini however.

[Mr. Sacchi]

You say "no damage" and I point you to my 17 kills in the first game and 10 in the second game, despite being behind in the second one. I should also note that some of my kills in the first game were purely Mega Gnar damage, which is significantly lower than mini-gnar.

And yeah, Mega Gnar has a really hard time getting in on the opposing team. Except when you do the leap/crunch combo when at 100 rage, which is something you should be doing every teamfight to initiate.

In BOTH games, people thought they could ignore me because "gnar does no damage!" and I get absurdly fed both games, only lost the first one because of my stupid missplay and kog'maw + kat + yasuo lategame power. And I'm seriously wondering how the hell do you think that a %max health proc is "low damage" especially when it's so easy to proc  along with a spammable Q. That's not "no damage", barring the true damage thing, Mini-Gnar plays a lot like Vayne.

Sorry Raikaria, you're just flat-out wrong in this one.

[Ryuu]

gnar sucks, this is true

but literally everybody does tons of damage when they get absurdly fed

even the shittiest champions deserve respect