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Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
« Reply #90 on: August 01, 2014, 04:33:58 AM »
Heeey I got Apollo and Raphy and Venus and Artemis and Persephone and everything I could ever want.

Nah I'm kidding I only got a Lilith.

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« Reply #91 on: August 01, 2014, 04:35:16 AM »
How viable are Fruit Dragon teams? I can't see how they would work at my point in the game, but Strawberry and Grape are the closest things I have to leaders for a second team next to Vampire, and I don't want another Valkyrie team. I have a lot of cool fire subs, so it's be nice if I could throw something together. Or just hang onto them until I do come across something I guess.

Actually maybe now if I get these guys leveled and can find another Echidna in time I can have a chance next time Tengu or Gaia rolls around. I really want both of them and had no team that could go in to their dungeons before.
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« Reply #92 on: August 01, 2014, 05:04:28 AM »
Grape Dragon lets you pretend you have a Lucifer and you can probably tackle Hera Descends by throwing a Siren and some keeper of rainbows together.

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« Reply #93 on: August 01, 2014, 07:33:19 AM »
Accidentally got wrecked on the first level of Heroes descended because no heal orbs. Whoops.


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« Reply #94 on: August 01, 2014, 09:44:16 AM »
So I tried the GodFest REM pull again.

I also tried Friday Dungeon again but I did even worse this time, I guess I have to practice stalling a little bit because the wrong color orbs kept on spawning =|

That's why I'm playing two other PAD clones during downtime

EDIT: Succeeded in winning that stage!!
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« Reply #95 on: August 01, 2014, 12:29:30 PM »
 :toot: :toot:

My yoloroll was Melon Dragon, at least she's a cutie?

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« Reply #96 on: August 01, 2014, 12:30:08 PM »
So I see Two Heroes is up, and I can probably do it with what I have. Doesn't seem too complicated. Anyone got any advice beyond the normal stuff? The only place I can really see having trouble is the second floor if a few masks are synced on low turns as usual, but I'm not too worried.

Unfortunately I don't really want either of the big drops. Just more worse Valkyries, and I already have access to some of those. Does a 0/9/0 Balanced, Physical, or Dark team really play that differently from a 0/9/0 Healer team? Maybe if it actually does feel very different I'll try anyway, but what I really want is a second team with a completely different playstyle.
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« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2014, 12:34:09 PM »
You want them primarily for the orb changing ability IIRC, you don't see them as player leaders too often but I do use my Highlander in my green team (who I had well before I had the team!)

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« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2014, 12:46:48 PM »
I'll just keep my fingers crossed for Chulainn then. With him I'll have every color of orb changer, and Berserk really doesn't seem to offer much in that capacity as a sub that blue Valkyrie doesn't.
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« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2014, 01:01:19 PM »
Just more worse Valkyries


You make some of the most baffling negative  assumptions, you know that?

They're not "worse Valkyries". In fact, they're arguably better if not only because they get 3.5x ults.

That, and they don't fall to a stiff breeze like healers do :v

Siegfried and Cu Chulainn might not look as attractive but you'll find that teams led by them will be strong and resilient. That and especially Sieg gets a TON of HP, and as a leader of a physical team you'll have a lot of that. The only real weakness a physical team has is low RCV and that's easily remedied by throwing in a god or something (hint: you have Apollo and he gets a physical ult and his stats are solid)

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Does a 0/9/0 Balanced, Physical, or Dark team really play that differently from a 0/9/0 Healer team? Maybe if it actually does feel very different I'll try anyway, but what I really want is a second team with a completely different playstyle.

Yes and no. The main idea is the same, but you will find that physical teams are bulky as hell and that's a lot of fun. (Physical also means you can use King Bubblie too, who is a great burst utility for a phys team AND he gets two skill boosts). Balanced teams mean you have a huge variety of options to choose from, where healer teams are generally very limited. They're versatile!

All of that said, if you want an entirely different play style, you'll probably have to look toward burst gods that revolve around orb matching (Chinese gods, Isis, DQXQ, etc) or combo counting (Bastet, Okuninushi, Anubis, etc) or HP conditionals (Ult Sieg, Ult CuChu, Takeminakata, the Metatrons) or row teams.

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« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2014, 01:30:53 PM »
So I decided to do technicals to get another stone to pull.


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« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2014, 01:39:12 PM »
hhhhhhhhhhhhh lucky

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« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2014, 01:41:03 PM »
non-IAP masterrace too fucking STRONGK

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« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2014, 01:57:43 PM »
The problem with Physical dudes is that outside a few exceptions(Blue Odin and Megalo,) their recovery sucks way worse than healers HP does. A lot of Physical dudes end up having to slot in Echidna to fix it.

hhhhhhhhhhhhh lucky

No one seems to like Guan Yu though and he has no subs.

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« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2014, 03:00:14 PM »
non-IAP masterrace too fucking STRONGK

i counter that with JPN-server masterrace Bv

No one seems to like Guan Yu though and he has no subs.

But GGY is literally 1337

and his beard

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« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2014, 03:14:32 PM »
You make some of the most baffling negative  assumptions, you know that?

Yes, I do know that. You know my experience with this game is extremely narrow, right? I literally haven't used a team that wasn't lead by Valkyrie since like two days after I started playing. I don't know how anything works. That's why you guys have to tell me when I say something that doesn't make sense. This is good, I'm learnding.

Siegfried and Cu Chulainn might not look as attractive but you'll find that teams led by them will be strong and resilient. That and especially Sieg gets a TON of HP, and as a leader of a physical team you'll have a lot of that. The only real weakness a physical team has is low RCV and that's easily remedied by throwing in a god or something (hint: you have Apollo and he gets a physical ult and his stats are solid)

Okay, good, good. This works.

Yes and no. The main idea is the same, but you will find that physical teams are bulky as hell and that's a lot of fun. (Physical also means you can use King Bubblie too, who is a great burst utility for a phys team AND he gets two skill boosts). Balanced teams mean you have a huge variety of options to choose from, where healer teams are generally very limited. They're versatile!

Okay, as long as stuff's farmable this is good.

And King Shynee looks so inadequate now. :derp:

All of that said, if you want an entirely different play style, you'll probably have to look toward burst gods that revolve around orb matching (Chinese gods, Isis, DQXQ, etc) or combo counting (Bastet, Okuninushi, Anubis, etc) or HP conditionals (Ult Sieg, Ult CuChu, Takeminakata, the Metatrons) or row teams.

Yeah, basically. Or stall-em-ups. I wish I had an Isis or something.

The problem with Physical dudes is that outside a few exceptions(Blue Odin and Megalo,) their recovery sucks way worse than healers HP does. A lot of Physical dudes end up having to slot in Echidna to fix it.

Works for me, she was probably going to at least fill space there for a while anyway.
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« Reply #106 on: August 01, 2014, 03:16:21 PM »
Okay, good, good. This works.

I would like to add that UEvo Siegfried has almost double the HP and slightly more ATK than the UEvo Grace Valkyrie who shares the same ability.

That and he looks pretty fucking metal


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« Reply #107 on: August 01, 2014, 03:19:48 PM »
also my super duper lategame isis team has both of them on it if that counts for anything :derp:

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« Reply #108 on: August 01, 2014, 03:32:05 PM »
It's also not as much about teams being "better" or "worse" just different.
I can clear stuff on monored that would make my healer team cry and vice versa. 

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« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2014, 05:21:19 PM »
Alright, first clear dropped a Highlander. I can probably run twice more today, might do and try to get Berserk as well.
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« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2014, 06:29:15 PM »
So I tried the GodFest REM pull again.

I also tried Friday Dungeon again but I did even worse this time, I guess I have to practice stalling a little bit because the wrong color orbs kept on spawning =|

That's why I'm playing two other PAD clones during downtime

EDIT: Succeeded in winning that stage!!

Haha I also got one from the godfes. We can totally get 4x coins from weekend dungeons together now  :V It's said they're going to allow you to spend coins to temporarily unlock some old dungeons in the future, so until that comes this guys is pretty meh... :ohdear: The active skill is unique but its cooldown is a bit too long.
7 rolls only that guy and the other light indo, all my luck went to the dragon poker REM this time. :/

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« Reply #111 on: August 01, 2014, 06:43:53 PM »
So I'm thinking of using Wadatsumi as a leader for that 20 cost-restricted dungeon, but I'm kinda at a loss for balanced subs. I have a Hello Kitty that I can evolve (even if I lose the ability to use her for Draggie), and GC Crabs for a water enhance. The only other mobs I can think of are the blue mystic knight (why no dungeon :c ) and King Woodsie.
Of course I could bring TAMADRApurin as an off-sub for that 5000 HP tanking. (^^

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« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2014, 09:27:20 PM »
I got gifted a whaling at the last godfest, now I have the first world problem of needing a ton of tamadra.  But I really want to make those attacker and devil teams.

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« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM »
My index finger is red and raw from matching orbs and I still didn't get the berserk I wanted yet. 50% chance pls.


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« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2014, 10:29:06 PM »
Yes, I do know that. You know my experience with this game is extremely narrow, right? I literally haven't used a team that wasn't lead by Valkyrie since like two days after I started playing. I don't know how anything works. That's why you guys have to tell me when I say something that doesn't make sense. This is good, I'm learnding.

Narrow experience does not imply that one should dismiss everything so quickly! You pulled one pretty awesome god and one decent utility earlier and wrote them off as useless before you even figured out what you could do with 'em, and you immediately dismissed Siegfried and Cu Chulainn as 'worse Valkyries' before even considering their uses-- and thought negatively of all of the above. I get that you haven't done anything other than Valk since you started, but you're going to need more than one team to handle stuff (trust me), and everything you've got so far will be a fantastic step in that direction.

Basically what I'm saying is be a little more positive about the stuff the game gives you, because in most cases, you'll be able to use something somehow.

Siegfried is the key leader of a very solid team setup. Used properly, he's amazing. He also makes a really good sub. In fact, a whole lot of physical monsters do, because they're great HP stat sticks when you have open space. Of course, you'll more often prefer stuff that has subclasses too to hopefully make up for the lack of RCV (some phys monsters even have NEGATIVE RCV, like Gigas-- but he makes up for that by having one of the highest raw HP stats in the game).

Cu Chulainn is great too. The vast majority of balanced type monsters in the game are wood element, so you'll have a lot of synergy to work with. And really, replace pretty much everything in the previously mentioned link above with their balanced counterparts and you'll have a solid team there too. You'll have less raw HP to work with than you would in a physical team, but you've got a huge utility variety to work with and will have much more workable RCV too.

Basically, all the heartbreakers (Valk, Sieg, Cu Chu, Gigas, Vampire) are solid members of any team in some way or another. Valk/Sieg/Cu Chu make good leaders as well as subs, and Gigas and Vampire are better subs than they are leaders (if not only because B/D Vamp is ridiculously weird because his leader skill boosts dark types but his main element is water and that's kinda awkward (but not unworkable, mind)). Normal Ult Vamp as a sub is good enough as he is. Or use him as a leader if you really want for a 0/4/4 team. But that won't have the raw power of the other leaders.

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« Reply #115 on: August 01, 2014, 11:21:01 PM »
Narrow experience does not imply that one should dismiss everything so quickly! You pulled one pretty awesome god and one decent utility earlier and wrote them off as useless before you even figured out what you could do with 'em, and you immediately dismissed Siegfried and Cu Chulainn as 'worse Valkyries' before even considering their uses-- and thought negatively of all of the above. I get that you haven't done anything other than Valk since you started, but you're going to need more than one team to handle stuff (trust me), and everything you've got so far will be a fantastic step in that direction.

Basically what I'm saying is be a little more positive about the stuff the game gives you, because in most cases, you'll be able to use something somehow.

Siegfried is the key leader of a very solid team setup. Used properly, he's amazing. He also makes a really good sub. In fact, a whole lot of physical monsters do, because they're great HP stat sticks when you have open space. Of course, you'll more often prefer stuff that has subclasses too to hopefully make up for the lack of RCV (some phys monsters even have NEGATIVE RCV, like Gigas-- but he makes up for that by having one of the highest raw HP stats in the game).

Cu Chulainn is great too. The vast majority of balanced type monsters in the game are wood element, so you'll have a lot of synergy to work with. And really, replace pretty much everything in the previously mentioned link above with their balanced counterparts and you'll have a solid team there too. You'll have less raw HP to work with than you would in a physical team, but you've got a huge utility variety to work with and will have much more workable RCV too.

Basically, all the heartbreakers (Valk, Sieg, Cu Chu, Gigas, Vampire) are solid members of any team in some way or another. Valk/Sieg/Cu Chu make good leaders as well as subs, and Gigas and Vampire are better subs than they are leaders (if not only because B/D Vamp is ridiculously weird because his leader skill boosts dark types but his main element is water and that's kinda awkward (but not unworkable, mind)). Normal Ult Vamp as a sub is good enough as he is. Or use him as a leader if you really want for a 0/4/4 team. But that won't have the raw power of the other leaders.

Keep in mind that in most of these cases my lack of interest in this stuff isn't because the monster is terrible, it's because it's not useful to me right now. I'm at a point in the game where I need a second kind of team to handle different situations, and I keep getting stuff that, to me, looks like a way better sub than leader. "Amazing sub to some mega-rare god you don't have" doesn't exactly thrill me right now. To me it looks like I have a surplus of subs and nothing to do with them, which is kind of frustrating. But if that's not the case, great.

If I can manage to get a Berserk before Two Heroes goes away I think I basically have a solid Physical team. I'm short a great green physical monster, but I can use an ultivolved ogre for now and get what seems like a very Sakuya-friendly team full of orb changers and all of the right colors.

Cu Chu is a little less clear right now, since a lot of the Balanced monsters I picked up randomly seem to have weak synergy with him. Maybe I'm just missing something right now, but isn't a bunch of orb changers on a mixed team kind of a waste? It seems like orb changers would be good for either teams that are heavily built around one color or combo-making teams.

Beast Rider seems like a total waste of space no matter how I look at him right now. I don't have any particular way to make Attackers a thing and I can't ultimate evolve him any time in the foreseeable future.

Apollo seems like he fits well onto a Siegfried team if I make one, especially if I go with Dragon Emperor Siegfried and try to go for the Sakuya-friendly build that I sort of have the pieces for. He doesn't provide any colors I don't have, but there should be a fair amount of light on the team between Siegfried, Gigas, Sakuya, and himself, and I don't otherwise have a light orb changer. And he gets rid of the dark orbs I don't use.

Vampire doesn't seem amazing for much right now since his synergy with Cu Chu seems weird and my teams don't seem like they'll have a lot of dark on them. I have considered taking a shot at the Batman machine to try to get Batarangs and make a 4/4/0 team like I was hoping to with one of the Greek gods, but Batman's lack of an ultimate evolution is unfortunate and I don't want to risk getting a bunch of Catwomans and Robins. I'm sure he'll go somewhere, but I don't know where yet.
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« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2014, 12:06:24 AM »
Just because a god isn't useful right now, doesn't mean it won't be useful later! It's a large part of why I keep to my "at least one roll every godfest" rule, keeping that up has given me several things to work with! Even if I may end up never using a bunch of them.

For example, the only reason I'm so hellbent on tackling Goddess Descended is because the REM gave me a Raphael, the only reason why I even considered Goddess Descended within my reach is because I got an AA Lucifer (and the bonus Oukuninushi certainly helped) and the only reason why I even considered making a Lucifer team a possibility (which would require two gravity users, AKA two heras) was because one of my very first REM pulls was a Pierdra, which eventually turns into the 50% dark/water-reducing Jester Dragon, Drawn Joker, and even if I didn't have a Drawn Joker, I could also work with Neptune.

I still have to find a team for my Minerva, Persephone, Hermes and Meimei, but they can certainly prove useful at one time or another.

Speaking of which, after I'm done with my little crusade against Goddess Descended I plan on doing a Meimei team to get myself used to the whole "match several different colors" playstyle before finally moving on to Horus, so what would be a good non-IAP team for Meimei? G/D, of course, Twinlits is out of my reach right now.

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« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2014, 03:56:26 AM »
Got another Highlander. Woo... One more try before the dungeon goes down if I can time everything right. I'll be cutting it REALLY close (like within 120 seconds) as to whether my stamina is up in time.
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« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2014, 04:49:39 AM »
so what would be a good non-IAP team for Meimei? G/D, of course, Twinlits is out of my reach right now.
Athena/Meimei/Verche/Verche/Echidna/Athena
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Use Valk and Chu and then put whatever you want in the last two like Vampire and any Hera.

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