SCP Containment Breach Mafia - Game Over

[Raikaria]

True; maybe I'm reading too much into the one-shotness.

[ActionDan]

SB's reaction post to Dan's statement makes me a little curious. The fact he's asking for specification on how many people visited makes me think SB probobly did visit ActionDan; although a vanillaiser isn't always a scum move, and he may not have even been the vanillaiser. I guess we'll need to wait for SB to cough it up.

I mean; I've seen setups where they are town-sided and work as a sort of pusedo-cop. Like Masons except there's no quicktopic; they fail on a scum.

That said; it is at the same time more likely to be a scum PR than a Town PR; depending on the number of PR's in the setup. With scum only having Bi-Nightly kills powerful scum roles would not surprise me.

Doing my read-through but this comes before SB claimed to be the cop/vanillizer and it's pretty whacky SB claims something like this.  Dunno if he did it intentionally to fit this kind of profile or let's say Raikaria posted this after SB possibly discussed his claim options in a QT, let's say.

Anyway continuing reread

[ActionDan]

So I'm not reading anything from D3.

I'm down to lynch Sky since objectively SB and Sky/Refa were always on each others town lists for rather unexplained or else not sufficient reasons D1.  D2 was limited to hypothetical musings about each others alignment really.

I'm pretty confident that Dorian/Raitaki is town based on a few things. 

1) The Hydra is it's own PR apparently in the rules.  assuming that's scum you have a vanilla hydra / scum vanillizer vs. jailer + watcher/voyeur + roleblock + my role was swings in the favor of town a BIT much. 

2) I believe that scum were cognizant of D2 being a day where a mislynch would significantly help them after SB accrued suspicion.  Raitaki/Dorian was that mislynch.

of the rest of everyone, it's possible any one of you guys could be scum. 

So what I propose in the event of Sky being town is Raikaria blocking BT tonight. That way if BT / Raikaria is scum no kill and we can lynch BT/Raikaria over two days if needed. 

I'll wait on voting Sky until this is digested and everybody is on board.

[Dorian White]

I still have a bad feeling about it but I run out of reasons to object Skys lynch after his last post. Earnestly, is his case on BT really just ?I'm fine with lynching any claimed PR cause we have too much of them.? or have I missed something?
The point is, he don't know how the mod balanced a mod confirmed PR, then how can he be sure about how the mod balanced this setup at all, yet he's sure enough to base a vote on it. He also starts to show the same signs of indifference to the lynch that he accused Raikaria of.

I can remember that SB called Rafa ?obvioustown? for unexplained reason, lets see if I can find the same on the Rafa side, as Dan pointed out.

[Dorian White]

I really have to wonder how I could forget about that (Post 55). I recall that I found it odd that Refa gave both Raikaria and SB as townreads, which was in regard to their mud fight later.
But on reread is it even more odd, cause he defended SB in every way possible and were only fence sitting on Raikaria. Yet he put both on the same level at the time, can someone tell me why?
It's also a chainsaw right from the book in hindsight of the vote constellation.

[Raikaria]

Doing my read-through but this comes before SB claimed to be the cop/vanillizer and it's pretty whacky SB claims something like this.  Dunno if he did it intentionally to fit this kind of profile or let's say Raikaria posted this after SB possibly discussed his claim options in a QT, let's say.

Anyway continuing reread

SB's reaction to your outing that you had been vanilla'ed and had seen someone seemed suspect.

Which is why I brought up SB's reaction. Instead of what everyone else did; he challenged your question with a question; a hostile reaction. I simply mused about what his reaction could mean; a thought-dump; because it was very clear from his reaction that SB did visit you during Night 1.

[Dorian White]

You know what, I'm confident enough now to do this. Before I fall asleep.

## Vote: Sky Paladin

[Sky_Paladin]

I was kind of counting on Dorian or Dan to weigh in here as voices of reason but they've failed me sigh. 

I'm kind of annoyed because you're reading only into what SB said to players on day 1, except -

SB argued against Doritaki and Raikaria.  It's not a discriminating factor. 
SB DIDN'T argue with Dan or Sky.  It's not a discriminating factor. 
BT DID defend SB.  It's potentially a factor. 

The only one really weighing in what SB did/said is BT, which I consider compelling. 

SB buddied a little bit to Refa but Refa didn't really do anything for SB. 

Plus I didn't do anything to save SB or make any effort to take credit for the SB bus. 

You've got the wrong guy and I think town's going into LYLO blind. 

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm pretty much away for the rest of the phase so I may as well dump everything I have before dead lol. 

#1 - AtE:  The reason I was away for the first chunk of day 2 was because I was still in hospital.  I thought "Well I'll just play like Dan for a bit until I can sit down for more than five minutes".  I was in a lot of pain and on some pretty tough meds, which relates to #2...

#2 - I'm sorry for being a jerk to Raikaria earlier this phase.  Or last phase.  I can't remember.  It's painful to sit for long periods of time and I got snappy and irritable because I felt like I had to physically grab Raikaria by the neck and shake him to make him look at the two players who ARE flying under the radar, Dan and Doritaki.  Come on, man!  You can't just say "Well it's player x or player y" from gut.  Where's the evidence?  Do the scum hunting! 

#3 - Doritaki is still totally scum for their reaction on day 2 to being put at L-1, and for literally doing nothing in this phase until he could see which way the wind was blowing before voting. 

Especially the hypocrisy about 'oh no what if there is a quickhammer?!?!?' today when he was happy to quickhammer himself the day before. 

#4 - Dan, yes DAN, is scummy for literally doing nothing at all and then ignoring everything in the thread to...not even vote, just say "OK we should vote the vanilla" despite saying

1) The Hydra is it's own PR apparently in the rules.  assuming that's scum you have a vanilla hydra / scum vanillizer vs. jailer + watcher/voyeur + roleblock + my role was swings in the favor of town a BIT much. 

THIS MEANS YOU SHOULD LYNCH ONE OF THE POWER ROLES, Dan. 

and

2) I believe that scum were cognizant of D2 being a day where a mislynch would significantly help them after SB accrued suspicion.  Raitaki/Dorian was that mislynch.

 

Remember that the person who put him at L-1 was Raikaria.  I voted because I was sheeping Vhaltz.  And Doritaki's reaction was what kept him at L-1.  If you believe Doritaki was the designated mislynch, the players on that wagon were myself, SB, and Raikaria.  You might want to reconsider your townclear of Raikaria. 

Dan is also scummy for saying 'The optimal lynch is a vanilla' >.>;;

#5 - I'm pretty frustrated that players are using stuff Refa said instead of stuff Sky said.  Refa afk'd out because he didn't want to play vanilla town, apparently, not because the slot was getting too hot. 

Zaa. 

I want to vote Doritaki and Dan for hypocrisy but I only have one vote, and maybe they'll read this and change their mind.  Well Doritaki is asleep so I guess not. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Oh, we have eight hours left.  Plenty of time.  I though we had like one hour and it was consolidation.  Well I'll be around after all.

[ActionDan]

the difference between Raitaki/Dorian's role and yours is that if scum, they'd be limited to be a vanilla scum Hydra, and you'd have no limits; you could well be a 1-shot strongman and that would balance out 3 useful town Prs.

[Sky_Paladin]

I don't understand you. 

Didn't you just say we had too many town power roles?

Shouldn't we lynch from amongst the players who have claimed town power roles?  As opposed to the vanilla town?

[ActionDan]

I did not.  I used a thought experiment wherein I started by assuming dorian/raitaki was scum

[ActionDan]

I'm dropping a vote down soon

[Sky_Paladin]

I used a thought experiment wherein I started by assuming dorian/raitaki was scum

Shouldn't you vote for the person you think is scum rather than killing off the guy you think is town?

How about a thought experiment where you assume I am town and then think about the implications. 

##unvote
##vote ActionDan

I can't believe you are this anti-town without you actually being scum.  So I guess SB was a big gambit after all. 

[Sky_Paladin]

To anyone who is like "Wow Sky isn't even trying to survive"

I'm not trying to survive.  I am trying to catch the scum.  I am telling you, plain and simple, that I'm the only vanilla town left; and one of the people claiming power roles is the last scum. 

I would not be surprised if Raikaria gets killed tonight instead of Dan (as the confirmed town) to prevent BT being towncleared. 

I wish the three of you that are actually town would open your eyes and read the thread instead of sitting with your hands over your ears going 'la la la I cant hear you' because there's enough here to hang any one of you. 

I mean what has BT done except "It's totally Sky" and "Don't lynch me."  Doritaki is a massive hypocrit with his don't hammer but I'll self hammer.  Raikaria won't think about anything except 'It must be Sky or BT even though it's totally BT or Raikaria'.  TOTALLY SCUM.  And Dan would rather lynch town because I don't even understand why. 

I've had to argue with every one of you at some point in this game but you four will barely look at each other.  That's the most frustrating thing.  You decided I was scum without considering anybody else really, and I'm not scum, and town is going to lose tomorrow because you wasted today being self assured. 

[Raikaria]

Shouldn't you vote for the person you think is scum rather than killing off the guy you think is town?

How about a thought experiment where you assume I am town and then think about the implications. 

##unvote
##vote ActionDan

I can't believe you are this anti-town without you actually being scum.  So I guess SB was a big gambit after all.

You're voting someone who is as confirmed as you can get Sky. Caffinator is confirmed viva Valtz. No-one is CC'ing it. I highly doubt a scum Caffinator.

##Vote: Sky Paladin

Yes I'm aware this is a hammer.

[Mitsuki]

Last Votecount for today (3)

Sky_Paladin:  BT, Dorian/Raitaki, Raikaria
ActionDan: Sky_Paladin

Not voting: ActionDan

Everyone agreed that Sky_Paladin was a threat, and therefore he was contained. He was...

Welcome to the Foundation, Sky_Paladin!
You are a Class-D personnel (vanilla town).



As an ex-death row prisoner who would already be dead by now, you welcomed the nullification of your death sentence you were given in exchange of doing some ?unspecified activities?. And even if you hadn?t, you had no choice to begin with.
Nonetheless, death might not be mankind?s worst nightmare.

You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.

You try to come back for him, but when you open the chamber again there is nobody there to be seen.


Night 3 has begun! You have 24 hours to send your actions.

This night will end when I go to sleep if I recieve all the actions by then, since tomorrow morning I won't be able to update. Otherwise night will last longer, I'm sorry.

[Mitsuki]

I'll end the night in an hour if nobody has any objections.

[Mitsuki]

The next morning, you all wake up to find that someone else has gone missing.

- Welcome to the Foundation, Raitaki and Dorian!
You are SCP-531 and SCP-531-1, respectively. (Hydra)

When SCP-531 is rung, those who hear the noise experience strong anxiety, followed by the ability to sight SCP-531-1. SCP-531-1 remains invisible otherwise.
As a hydra, one of you will be able to post in the thread, but both of you are allowed to have OC (outside contact) with each other as long as you?re alive. You can communicate here (qt link) or wherever you please, as long as you paste your logs in the QT afterwards.
You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.

Day 4 (__Lo) has begun! You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch!
Link to countdown

[Raikaria]

Staying up to see the result of the night because I checked this thread just before I planned to sleep sucks.

Tried to roleblock BT. Got a 'your role failed' message. Not sure if this is me getting my role canceled; or BT being immune to roleblocks. Either way; someone died and my roleblock failed.

And seeing as Dan is basically confirmed town; this leaves only one option.

#Vote: BT

[Raikaria]

Will explain more tomorrow. It's 8 to midnight here. I'm pretty bust tomorrow morning->mid afternoon however. So I'll be a while. Might get some time when I wake up.

[ActionDan]

blah blah blah I'm town blah blah

[ActionDan]

Well it's annoying that I can't go ahead and lynch both BT and Raikaria to win.

HMPH.

I dunno you guys chat and I'll think about it.

[ActionDan]

so I don't usually fuck up in 3-man lylos either btw.

[ActionDan]

like the last mafia should give up now because that's how good I am.

Give up ya' hear?

[Raikaria]

I'm awake again.

Anyway; I think in this situation it is wiser for me to explain why I am not scum; since by doing so shows that BT is the scum. I've gone on long enough about why BT is scum [Everyone else is clear; stuff I said during D3 when I tried to lynch him back then.]

Firstly; look back at Day 1 and Day 2. Aside from a few points when I dubt simply due to meta towards the end of Day 1; SB is usually being voted by me or is high in my lynch priorities. Indeed; despite me pushing on Dorian for the majority of Day 2; I say repeatedly that I am happy with lynching SB.

While looking at Day1/Day2; notice that SB spends a large amount of Day 1 trying to get me lynched; and the crux of his case is what boils down to a misunderstanding on his part. SB also dosen't exactly seem pro-me during Day 2; doing things like calling out my role claim.

Speaking of Day 2; remember my reaction to Dorian threatening to self-hammer. If it wasn't for me then; we wouldn't have even lynched SB Day 2.  Which I was a part of.

Unless you think that me and SB were busing each other since the start of the game; we can't be scumbuddies. Scumbuddies tend to not interact much with each other to try and keep themselves un-associated; and SB and BT did not interact that much.

Next; the setup. With Valtz being a jailer and me being a one-shot roleblocker; like I suggested might be the case earlier; it appears the last scum has a way around such actions. Which makes sense. Hell; it makes sense from the 'BT is a watcher' perspective as well; since that's still quite a few ways available to town to stop the nightkill or find scum.

Then you have my interactions with players who were not SB. I've been stressing for most of this game; Dan is confirmed town. Indeed; Sky going to outright desperation and voting a confirmed townie was why I hammered him. Ultimately it turns out this was an error; but still. Ever since SB was lynched I have also been very supportive of Dorian.

In addition; it makes no sense for me to have fakeclaimed Roleblocker as scum. Bearing in mind at the time I did so; I was saying 'either Dorian or SB are scum' indicating I expected by Night 3 SB to be dead; and posto N3 ibly Dorian to be alive and semi-clear. With 2 town clears; going into N3 would force the current situation upon me if I was lying about my roleblock.

If I was scum fakeclaiming; I would not have claimed a role which would create such a situation where doubt would naturally be cast upon the existence of my role. I also would not have claimed Roleblocker with Valtz already flipping Jailer. Such an action is silly. As it is; I'm not fakeclaiming; and it makes no sense for me to fakeclaim a Roleblocker either.

[Raikaria]

Tl;dr:

For me to be scum -

Me and SB must have been bussing since D1
I let a mislynch not happen D2; which resulted in SB being lynched
I made a fakeclaim which makes no sense from a scum perspective
I ignored the chance to possibly get a mislynch on a 'confirmed townie' [Sky's vote on Dan]

It simply dosen't make any sense for me to be scum from my actions during the game. This means BT must be scum.

[BT]

I watched Dan and saw nothing. I wasn't roleblocked because Raikaria is scum. G'morning.

[BT]

##Vote Raikaria