Puzzle and Dragon Ball Z - Episode 10

[hyorinryu]

yes pls make her stronger

make her stronger than kirin muhahahahahahaha

I'll support this, especially if it makes them buff Kirin in response :V

Also, one down, one to go. I want to ult Athena too.

[Mr. Sacchi]

I'm okay with all of these buffs so long as the Flaming Chicken gets some love too.

Or at least slightly higher RCV, I wouldn't mind having 190 RCV ):

[Chaore]

I'll support this, especially if it makes them buff Kirin in response :V

Also, one down, one to go. I want to ult Athena too.

please NO

I know you're joking but jesus especially not fucking kirin

I'm okay with all of these buffs so long as the Flaming Chicken gets some love too.

Or at least slightly higher RCV, I wouldn't mind having 190 RCV ):

Actually support the hell out of this.

Horus needs a bone right now to all hell. Like, just adding something to his active would be nice. Or changing his weak ass awakening set a bit.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

still man you just got me thinking

give kirin a 2-pronged attack awakening and make a 2-prong kirin team

it'd be glorious

...I should look into this

[Suikama]

lol kirin with two prongs and king bubblie

you could probably put Anubis to shame with that power

[OverlordChirei]

Actually support the hell out of this.

Horus needs a bone right now to all hell. Like, just adding something to his active would be nice. Or changing his weak ass awakening set a bit.

new active: falcon punch

hit one enemy for 999x fire atk, breaks phone screen on kill

[Yukarin]

attacker horus for f/l please

[Chaore]

still man you just got me thinking

give kirin a 2-pronged attack awakening and make a 2-prong kirin team

it'd be glorious

...I should look into this

It's called Durga (except she might not have a subtype).

Two-prong is still pretty bad though, especially with multiple colors. One 3 orb match and your boost is gone.

(It's almost like I've been saying this for weeks now, and no ones listened)

lol kirin with two prongs and king bubblie

you could probably put Anubis to shame with that power

Well, It's  107ishx?

It's nothing compared to if you actually gave anubis a slime, and probably beaten out by the sheer combo requirement of anubis tbh it's such a small amount over.

[Mr. Sacchi]

attacker horus for f/l please

That would make a world of a difference.

Hell, at this point giving F/L Horus +100 HP and +50 RCV would already make a world of a difference, GungHo really need to throw Horus a bone.

I mean, they need to throw a lot of monsters varying amounts of bones (Lucifer, I'm looking at you) but y'know.

[Chaore]

That would make a world of a difference.

Hell, at this point giving F/L Horus +100 HP and +50 RCV would already make a world of a difference, GungHo really need to throw Horus a bone.

I mean, they need to throw a lot of monsters varying amounts of bones (Lucifer, I'm looking at you) but y'know.

They need to rework entire monsters, but their policy on that is so -shitte- that they can't really.

It's pretty awful, Luci is screwed the worse with his middling active as a sub that no doubt SOMEONE would complain about getting changed, that's now completely obsoleted -BY A FARMABLE FUCKING MONSTER-.

[Thaws]

When you guys talk about Lucifer do you mean the angel one or the devil one?

F/L Horus could really use some extra rcv, it was actually at 0 rcv when it first came out and people complained until they gave it back 90 rcv lol. I get that they're trying to differentiate F/F and F/L Horus so that F/F doesn't become obsolete though, but even with the lower rcv I rarely see people prefer F/F if they have the angelit anyways. :V

[Edible]

When you guys talk about Lucifer do you mean the angel one or the devil one?

Archangel Lucifer used to be the unquestioned #1 leader in the game, then they started designing the game around burst teams instead of stall.

Fallen Angel Lucifer, the dark/dark one, is still really good.

[Chaore]

Archangel Lucifer used to be the unquestioned #1 leader in the game, then they started designing the game around burst teams instead of stall.

Fallen Angel Lucifer, the dark/dark one, is still really good.

Not even just that, they completely fucked him at all opportunities. 'Awakenings? 3 attack is okay, right? Oh, ultimate? Give him an edgy as hell name and a minor attack boost to make stalling on weak enemies a pain in the ass. We need a new descended? HOW ABOUT BETTER LUCIFER WHOS ALSO A FUCKING WAIFU'

i'm not even approaching a quarter of it really but i'm so sick and tired of this entire discussion i just want gungho to not be worthless shits for once and fix it

I mean to put it blunt. The problem isn't just stall for Lucifer. It's that he's been shit over design-wise CONSTANTLY, even as a stall leader. He's a fucking mess, to be completely blunt.

Edit: Also? He's been an absurdly popular pick in several godfests, and fucking placed third on 'who gets the next ultimate' (The more you people use that as a fucking reason his ultimate should suck, the more I want to punt you jesus fuck what is wrong with you.). He is POPULAR, and he's been treated like absurd trash.

Meanwhile Astaroth has been arguably more effective in some circles, but she's under the radar so she's not only gotten an ultimate with a burst and one that keeps her original stall playstyle, but also has amazing awakenings as a sub and better active.

Chew on that.

[Thaws]

Sounds like a problem shared by stall teams in general rather than Lucifer. I'm still wondering if a Gabriel+Lakshmi team that switches into Water Twins Dragon "Burst mode" would ever be useful for something because I always found the leader change concept fun but they had to ruin it with long cooldowns and ridiculous skill up difficulty.

To be fair, Lucifer was still considered the king of stall teams when awakenings came out, and they probably didn't have enough time to plan Luci's ultimate properly because that was from the questionnaire where players got to vote the 3 monsters they wanted ultimates.
At least he still wrecks older descents and is a godsend for new players though.

Noah has much worse rcv than Luci, doesn't she? 0 Rcv herself, and a much lower rcv multiplier.

[Chaore]

Sounds like a problem shared by stall teams in general rather than Lucifer. I'm still wondering if a Gabriel+Lakshmi team that switches into Water Twins Dragon "Burst mode" would ever be useful for something because I always found the leader change concept fun but they had to ruin it with long cooldowns and ridiculous skill up difficulty.

To be fair, Lucifer was still considered the king of stall teams when awakenings came out, and they probably didn't have enough time to plan Luci's ultimate properly because that was from the questionnaire where players got to vote the 3 monsters they wanted ultimates.
At least he still wrecks older descents and is a godsend for new players though.

Noah has much worse rcv than Luci, doesn't she? 0 Rcv herself, and a much lower rcv multiplier.

It's not just that for lucifer. I just said. jesus christ.

Also no, that's not fuckin' fair. 'Oh he's good. Lets give him complete SHIT?' Seriously? Not to mention stall teams were already running into problems and needing boosts, and no, that's not a fucking good excuse for such a -shitty god damn ultimate-, and even fucking worse if you weren't even expecting an absurdly popular monster to win. You don't give people excuses because they fucked up badly, Especially when they're not planning on fixing those fuck ups.

Also, that's also a complete lie and anyone who says he 'completely wrecks and is a godsend for new players' has no idea what they're actually saying, which is copypasta bad meta arguments, which pisses me off the most because that's the -bulk- of the sheer bile the pad community generates around him.

He doesn't really have anything, to be blunt.

And yes, but Lucifer's teams these days run HP more than rcv and Noah herself has a much wider pool and -much- shorter active than luci himself. And is farmable.

She's better, and theres really no disputing that.

[Thaws]

I think I'm gonna shut up because it's obvious I don't know enough about lucifer to comment on this :ohdear:
One last comment though, even Lucifer's worth as a sub seemed to be screwed over by Piccolo from DBZ. 260k Dark damage with only 22 turns cooldown and no side effects. Welp.

[Chaore]

I think I'm gonna shut up because it's obvious I don't know enough about lucifer to comment on this :ohdear:
One last comment though, even Lucifer's worth as a sub seemed to be screwed over by Piccolo from DBZ. 260k Damage with only 22 turns cooldown with no side effects. Welp.

I wish more people would take queues from you to be blunt, the amount of people who don't recognize that fact is pretty huge.

Also yeah essentially. Even before piccolo no one wanted to anyway and his awakenings are too weak to justify it.

[Mr. Sacchi]

With the next Hera Descended right around the corner, I'm investing pretty hard in my Anti-Hera Team, though I must ask if anybody here has a fully awoken uvo GOdin?

If not it's fine, I planned my team around non-uvo'd Odin, but having Uvo'd Odin would certainly make things a lot easier (I could swap AA Luci for someone from my monored, for example.)

[Yukarin]

if i recall triangles has an odin but not UEvo.

I remember because i used her odin for my Hera run.

[triangles]

I do indeed!  He is fully awoken for the regular form, and if I can finally get a goddamn Mystic Mask I could have him ulted for Hera o'clock, though I am out of Tamadras at the moment.

[Suikama]

holy shit apocalypse

now that is a dragon leader

[Mr. Sacchi]

I do indeed!  He is fully awoken for the regular form, and if I can finally get a goddamn Mystic Mask I could have him ulted for Hera o'clock, though I am out of Tamadras at the moment.

Oh, being out of TAMADRAs is a bummer, I'd give you a few if I could, god knows I don't know what to do with 9 TAMADRAs sitting in my box even after fully awakening everyone that's even remotely important to my endeavours.

No rush though, like I said, I did design my team with non-uvo'd Odin in mind.

holy shit apocalypse

now that is a dragon leader

You sure? His LS is essentially Zaerog's but losing 50% ATK for a bonus 15% HP.

And though his active skill really is pretty neat, I'm not sure what I would do with the hearts since afaik there's no dragon-type heartbreaker, especially not one that's light or dark based.

I could see him being used with W/D Zaerog in a dragon team but not much else, I'm seeing him more as a Sopdet/Meimei Sub tbh.

@Edit

Thinking on it R/D Guan Yu is a Dragon-Type Heartbreaker that also does have a Dark type but I think he'd be a better leader than Apocalypse would since he's freaking Guan Yu.

@Edit?

Oh, Dragon Rider Arthur would actually be really good with Apocalypse, but I still can't really see apocalypse getting justified as a leader, at least not over Guan Yu or Zaerog. :/

[Edible]

Apocalypse:

1) Looks fucking awesome

2) Has a great leader skill

3) Has an utterly fantastic active

4) Has 5 awakenings

Therefore, I bet he's related somehow to padz and we never get him ;_;

[Suikama]

creating hearts in addition to orbs is a fucking amazing skill. It lets you deal damage AND heal at the same time and perfectly synergizes with the HP boost. Also zaerog still has negative RCV which sucks massively (hence why gigas is pretty much never used seriously despite all his buffs)

in other news, following the footsteps of marvel, Thor and Loki are now girls and Loki is checking out Thor's ass

[Thaws]

And though his active skill really is pretty neat, I'm not sure what I would do with the hearts since afaik there's no dragon-type heartbreaker, especially not one that's light or dark based.

I could see him being used with W/D Zaerog in a dragon team but not much else, I'm seeing him more as a Sopdet/Meimei Sub tbh.

@Edit

Thinking on it R/D Guan Yu is a Dragon-Type Heartbreaker that also does have a Dark type but I think he'd be a better leader than Apocalypse would since he's freaking Guan Yu.

@Edit?

Oh, Dragon Rider Arthur would actually be really good with Apocalypse, but I still can't really see apocalypse getting justified as a leader, at least not over Guan Yu or Zaerog. :/

They are going to release Fire, Water and Light dragon type heartbreakers along with him in the upcoming update. So blatant support for him I don't even.
They have a skill boost and their skill is heartbreaker into their respective colours along with a 1 turn bind recovery, so max skilled cd would presumably be around 6 turns?

He also fit in Sopdet teams I guess? :V


Thor so moe
I bet he's like "Why the heck did I listen to Loki?"

[Janitor Morgan]

So does anyone have a Zeus they'd be willing to put up for me so I can attempt the suffering that is twinlits? I sent out a couple requests thanks to a padherder search but didn't get responses.

[commandercool]

So where do people usually get Tamadras? I've been going after metal dragon dungeons pretty aggressively every time they're supposed to be present, but I've only seen one in quite a while and it didn't drop. Given how relatively inexpensive Echidna's ultimate evolution is and how un-important her awakenings are I figure I can wait for her dungeon to come up, save a couple of Nagas and raise them, de-evolve her, awaken her, and re-evolve her. Since Siren doesn't have her own dungeon doing that her seems like it would be a lot harder, unless I get some Mermaids out of the Pal machine at some point.

[Mr. Sacchi]

The best way to get TAMAs is either events or simply getting lucky with the PEM.

I have 10 TAMADRAs sitting in my box due to events, though I did get 2 today (One from the PEM and one from Ruby Dragons).

[OverlordChirei]

So where do people usually get Tamadras?

1) Get lucky with metal dragons (doesn't look like this happened.)

2) Get lucky with pengdra village (about as hard, and it's only a baby)

3) PEM (Probably should wait until evo mats pops up later)

4) Handouts & compensation(They hand out a bunch at a time)

5) S-Rank dungeons (These are really iffy and you'd have to know what you're doing with the rarity system and such.)

[Yukarin]

1) Get lucky with metal dragons (doesn't look like this happened.

This has happened to me but it happens very scarcely, as the three that I got from metal dragons were spawned along with three little metal dragons beside it. Gungho gave me the drops, thankfully.