Author Topic: Puzzle and Dragon Ball Z - Episode 10 (Read 105796 times)

Chaore · « **Reply #660 on:** July 12, 2014, 06:44:23 AM »

Quote from: hyorinryu on July 12, 2014, 04:34:37 AM

Thing about Two-Pronged is that it's harder to stack than rows. The two two-pronged awakenings a rider has will boost him and no one else. Satan's three rows boost him along with everyone on the the team, and they stack with row boosts provided by other cards on the team.

This is also not taking into the account the orbs used are more and therefore the attack itself is stronger compared to two-prong.

Two-prong is also on less dudes now, and overall less effective on many dudes than riders.

It's basically more whaley and ultimately worse.

Bio · « **Reply #661 on:** July 12, 2014, 07:00:50 AM »

Here's the chart: http://i.imgur.com/eMjujNB.jpg
Do roughly the same amounts of damage with two-prong doing slightly less but using less orbs and therefore activating more often.

Chaore · « **Reply #662 on:** July 12, 2014, 07:47:10 AM »

Quote from: Bio on July 12, 2014, 07:00:50 AM

Here's the chart: http://i.imgur.com/eMjujNB.jpg
Do roughly the same amounts of damage with two-prong doing slightly less but using less orbs and therefore activating more often.

That's pretty interesting. A single two-prong team holds up...surprisingly well, actually.

Hell, two-prong technically has slightly higher boost at 'ideal' on the 'easier' proc of three procs.

Rows absolutely crush them at ideal+three rows though, holy shit rofl.

Really the big problem is this is ideals- and Two-prongs biggest problem at the moment with this in mind is straight up distribution, and it's MUCH harder to fix that than with Rows.

it has potential I suppose though, looking at this. I feel row will maintain the advantage for a long time though.

Edit: Oh also that bottom infographic? That's actually a close to ideal green attacker tbh, and a really bad row team. That's not a fair comparison, but a neat showing of possible flexibility a combination team involving ninjas could hold.

Suikama · « **Reply #663 on:** July 12, 2014, 01:13:15 PM »

oh shit this next godfest will actually have special gods at x3 whaatttt

Bio · « **Reply #664 on:** July 12, 2014, 02:00:12 PM »

apparently it has been that way for a while too

Chaore · « **Reply #665 on:** July 12, 2014, 05:47:45 PM »

Quote from: Suikama on July 12, 2014, 01:13:15 PM

oh shit this next godfest will actually have special gods at x3 whaatttt

i posted about this entirely a few days back suikama plz

Quote from: Bio on July 12, 2014, 07:00:50 AM

Here's the chart: http://i.imgur.com/eMjujNB.jpg
Do roughly the same amounts of damage with two-prong doing slightly less but using less orbs and therefore activating more often.

Actually revisiting what I said- this actually completely confirms what I though when you look at it the right way.

It's just pretty misleading and makes 2-prong seem way stronger in a number of ways (Stopping at 9 row enhance is a mean trick).

Two-prong does do a lot more damage than I expected though.

Suikama · « **Reply #666 on:** July 12, 2014, 05:55:21 PM »

Quote from: Chaore on July 12, 2014, 05:47:45 PM

i posted about this entirely a few days back suikama plz

if this was last week then my excuse is i was in new york :derp:

Chaore · « **Reply #667 on:** July 12, 2014, 06:43:24 PM »

Quote from: Suikama on July 12, 2014, 05:55:21 PM

if this was last week then my excuse is i was in new york :derp:

not even like a few days ago when europe dropped this

i am disappointed. >:<

commandercool · « **Reply #668 on:** July 12, 2014, 11:48:20 PM »

Can I crack Neptune in Ocean Of Heaven with x27 attack? I tried using a calculator and it seems like I can, but I may have done it wrong. It going in with my normal team a fool's errand?

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #669 on:** July 13, 2014, 01:13:13 AM »

x27 attack with 3 matches of three blue orbs...

Your Valkyrie will just barely OH Neptune with ~400 damage to spare.
Of course, you have Echidna and Siren to give you more time to create blue orbs.

commandercool · « **Reply #670 on:** July 13, 2014, 01:37:30 AM »

Is that three separate strings of orbs? How many does it need to be if they're all continuous? Regardless, I'm pretty confident I can do that. The carbuncles on the previous screen can't quite kill me, so I can set up on them for a while to try to make sure I go in with enough blue, pink, and red onscreen to get a combo that big.

How worried should I be about a Mystic Mask dropping in and wrecking my shit? Should I be bringing Lilith for insurance? That one-turn clock is pretty worrying if it spawns next to some other big stuff. Although maybe all of my auto-healing and recovery can mitigate it.

On another note, where do I get fucking Topalits? I've dumped at least 40 stamina into Dungeon Of Light today and haven't gotten one. Is Friday Dungeon really the only place to get ghosts for less than a billion stamina?

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #671 on:** July 13, 2014, 01:46:35 AM »

Only run Dungeon of Light on Tuesday evenings and Friday mornings. 1/2 stamina is a big deal. :V

3 separate combos of 3 orbs, yes. There aren't any combinations of higher strings that can let your Valk OH Neptune with fewer than nine orbs, unless you have a higher number of combos. Even then, having 2x4 blue orbs would need three off-color combos to OH Neptune.

You have a Healer team you should have no concerns about 4,000 damage per turn because it's not instant killing you. :V

commandercool · « **Reply #672 on:** July 13, 2014, 01:50:51 AM »

Quote from: Fast Fanatic on July 13, 2014, 01:46:35 AM

Only run Dungeon of Light on Tuesday evenings and Friday mornings. 1/2 stamina is a big deal. :V

3 separate combos of 3 orbs, yes. There aren't any combinations of higher strings that can let your Valk OH Neptune with fewer than nine orbs, unless you have a higher number of combos. Even then, having 2x4 blue orbs would need three off-color combos to OH Neptune.

You have a Healer team you should have no concerns about 4,000 damage per turn because it's not instant killing you. :V

Hmm. Sounds tricky, but I might be able to do it. My stamina is up in like ten minutes, so I guess I'll find out.

4000 damage a turn is not a concern, 4000 damage on the same turn a couple of devils attack will probably kill me. Although I guess I would have to get pretty unlucky to fall into that situation without enough orbs to kill the devils first.

Conqueror · « **Reply #673 on:** July 13, 2014, 02:05:23 AM »

Is the supposed high +egg drop on weekends for Ocean of Heaven on the last stage or the whole dungeon, and how often am I supposed to be seeing them drop?

Bio · « **Reply #674 on:** July 13, 2014, 02:08:09 AM »

It's like one + every 1.5 runs or something.

commandercool · « **Reply #675 on:** July 13, 2014, 02:15:32 AM »

Aw shit, I got killed by the creepy furries. I had a combo lined up that should have healed me back to full but the game was like "Nope, it was all an illusion you actually just lined up three fire orbs, howsabout you die" and then I died. That's... Frustrating. Well, later maybe.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #676 on:** July 13, 2014, 04:22:12 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 13, 2014, 02:15:32 AM

Aw shit, I got killed by the creepy furries. I had a combo lined up that should have healed me back to full but the game was like "Nope, it was all an illusion you actually just lined up three fire orbs, howsabout you die" and then I died. That's... Frustrating. Well, later maybe.

Yeah uhh, those guys are the hardest part of the dungeon. They will oneshot *my* team, even - and more than half the time I will arrive at wave 9 to find them synced up. Use delay on them or if you have a Bastet friend, unleash spread kitties too. You absolutely do not need to save delay on Neptune - if you're taking more than three turns to beat him up, you probably need more damage.

commandercool · « **Reply #677 on:** July 13, 2014, 04:26:22 AM »

Quote from: OverlordChirei on July 13, 2014, 04:22:12 AM

Yeah uhh, those guys are the hardest part of the dungeon. They will oneshot *my* team, even - and more than half the time I will arrive at wave 9 to find them synced up. Use delay on them or if you have a Bastet friend, unleash spread kitties too. You absolutely do not need to save delay on Neptune - if you're taking more than three turns to beat him up, you probably need more damage.

Oh. Neat. It's probably not worth it to Menace them, burst down one, and recharge on the other one, but I would like to have the delay going in to Neptune if possible, just to be able to have the time to set up for an ideal King Shynee turn. I'll be trying again in a few minutes assuming I have any usable friends available, so we'll see what happens. Again.

Edit: Okay, I did it. Menaced the furries and killed them with surprising difficulty, then between carefully setting up on the previous screen, heartmaking, then heartbreaking I had the screen over half full of water orbs which was enough to one-shot Neptune. If I didn't know going in that he had a gimmick I might now have noticed. No plus eggs though. Anyway, I'm confident I can do this reliably in the future.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #678 on:** July 13, 2014, 05:02:29 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 13, 2014, 04:26:22 AM

Edit: Okay, I did it. Anyway, I'm confident I can do this reliably in the future.

Excellent job. It really isn't as hard as it appears at first.

Also from hopping around here and there in normal dungeons I think OOH egg rate is overhyped. I get a fair amount from the dungeons higher up like Sky City or Junos Island, and even better xp/stam rate. The advantage comes from the mystic masks, and for you all the dudes will be blue, which Valk can use better.

That said, OOH is still a great place to start stacking the ranks, even outside of weekends. You'll also have all the mystic masks you'll ever need over time.

(Speaking of plus eggs, Tower of Jewels is coming in a few days, which supposedly has the best plus egg rate in the game. The downside that it's full of those murderous 'buncles we all love so much.)

Janitor Morgan · « **Reply #679 on:** July 13, 2014, 05:46:23 AM »

Not sure I'll be making a Balanced team anytime soon, but hey, another monster.

Bio · « **Reply #680 on:** July 13, 2014, 09:13:12 AM »

Hera-Beorc sure is a really painful dungeon for a Kirin team
Good thing I'm only here for the green jewel so these fails at Hera mean nothing.

commandercool · « **Reply #681 on:** July 13, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »

I need to institute a new rule that I don't play within an hour of waking up. Got up this morning, noticed my stamina was full, and was like "Oh shit, better go do something to burn this off so I'm not wasting stamina". So I did an Ocean Of Heaven run... From which I ranked up and refilled all 15 stamina I had just spent. I probably could have gotten like... Half a Topalit with all of that stamina I just wasted.

Yukarin · « **Reply #682 on:** July 13, 2014, 04:33:41 PM »

so i just fed one chaser to Haku

ONE CHASER AND IT SKILLED UP

I WILL NEVER BE THIS LUCKY AGAIN

Suikama · « **Reply #683 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:04:06 AM »

welp time for trollfest

...

LUCIFER LOL

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #684 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:11:19 AM »

i rolled and got a 5th grape dragon. im thinking one day when i bother with these things ill have rebel lucifer and his gang of purple dragons

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #685 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:16:21 AM »

First pull. Toytops. I didn't have him already, so I guess that's fine?

Second pull-

I... don't have any water or physical teams, so unfortunately his usefulness is limited. Still cool to get fest-only guy though!

Suikama · « **Reply #686 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:18:01 AM »

Edible · « **Reply #687 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:18:50 AM »

I got another Ronia :V :V :V

And a WotN Lilith, and a Perseus, and a mystic fire knight okay I'm done

Conqueror · « **Reply #688 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:19:42 AM »

mystic stone knight
thanatos
lucifer
vampire after i already famrd one ;-;

well at least i have somewhere to put all this dark xp now

Shizumarashi Mayuzumi · « **Reply #689 on:** July 14, 2014, 03:20:20 AM »

I got a Titan.

I already have a Gigas the Great and a Gigas for possible low-cost. :V

I might pull again but if I do it'll be later. >_>