Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F

[DarkAtma]

Once i get hooked to a game i play until i finish :V is -40 Hours really that low time? LoT 1 took me 100 hours to beat post game

Defeated passive worm foe, but still no 12 FOE achievement? i must have missed one somewhere, got my 11 stone of awakening on one of the extra areas

[jaxter0987]

Defeated ame no murakumo, Game clear, Now into the post game content, Flandre got half usefull when boss casted his MP eating spell because i forgot to take off the main equip Staff, thus causing flandre to not regen MP at all during the fight, Kasen,Remilia,and flandre did the damage (30k hits each with Arm,Gunghir and flan normal command)

Stats after game. I expected to get the last item from the boss, seems like i was wrong,How do i trigger enchanced bosses to appear? example: wiki says there is one at F1 but i cant find it on the minimap

I'm assuming you already figured out how to get the bosses to appear but I'll say it anyway: You need to beat the boss rush to do that.

[DarkAtma]

its every boss up to ame? not gonna try it for now. Still deciding sub class for orin, herbalist and toxicilogist seem like the most fitting

[Shivanic]

Magician allows Orin to infinitely spam cat's walk, which can be highly useful for a post game boss or two for shock spam.

The boss rush is every non touhou boss in the game up to ame. (it uses the F20 divine relic bosses instead of the f12.)

The boss rush is in the upper east side of the final section of F20 behind a rock.

[vetokend]

Actually got some time on LoT2 yesterday (woo hoo), and ran smack dab into 9F Tenshi.  I've got a strategy worked out for the next time I'm fortunate enough to play, but one question riddles my mind:

Does poison damage scale with attack power?  That is, if I power up Wriggle's ATK stat, will more poison damage be inflicted from her attacks?

Thanks,

Veto

[DarkAtma]

Actually got some time on LoT2 yesterday (woo hoo), and ran smack dab into 9F Tenshi.  I've got a strategy worked out for the next time I'm fortunate enough to play, but one question riddles my mind:

Does poison damage scale with attack power?  That is, if I power up Wriggle's ATK stat, will more poison damage be inflicted from her attacks?

Thanks,

Veto

I believe poison deals a fixed % regardless of your attack,so tank wriggle is the best from what i sad seen

Cleared boss rush, trought was gonna be like LoT1 difficulty, went to kill the evil nut eater just to get wiped out instantly  :derp:

I believe there was a rock that required 82 achievements, i cant find it now, unless it was my imagination

[ZXNova]

its every boss up to ame? not gonna try it for now. Still deciding sub class for orin, herbalist and toxicilogist seem like the most fitting

Herbalist seems more like a subclass for a tank, so I don't see what you mean. Toxicologist is understandable, but imo, Gambler Rin is also very good. Cause it's not like Rin is gonna be kept in long anyway right?

[DarkAtma]

Defeated every enchanced boss up to Shadow knowledge, Had to think of a strategy to beat him before it got ether flare spam off, I used Aya,Orin,Sakuya and flandre. Using divine grandson advent, cat walk with the main equip that procs SHK,Luna dial and attack buff and finally starbow break

Why everyone says diva aya is broken? the only way i can that class working is by everyone speed being  higher than the boss itself, wich doesn't sound feasible (that  6% bonus exp and less encounters is nice trough)

Current party and classes
Reimu-Enchanter-MND
Mokou-Enchanter-HP
Aya-Diva-SPD
Kasen-Monk-ATK
Orin-Toxicologist-HP
Utsuho-Sorcerer-MAG
Meiling-Herbalist-HP
Remilia-Trascendent/Strategist-ATK
Sakuya-Enchancer (Luna dial+Multiple attack trigger+Enchancer Heal trigger on buffs)-HP
Byakuren-Strategist-HP
Tenshi-No Stone yet, But i cant see a good subclass for her, so just trascendent/Strategist?DEF/MND hybrid

Gonna attempt shadow azure giant now, if i find it difficult gonna grind

[Axel Ryman]

Why everyone says diva aya is broken? the only way i can that class working is by everyone speed being  higher than the boss itself, wich doesn't sound feasible (that  6% bonus exp and less encounters is nice trough)

Simply put, Aya built with full speed gets turns fast. Give her the skill that buffs your front line's speed and they can catch up. Don't forget she also has a move that can INSTANTLY give a character a turn. Give that to someone like Reisen, who can debuff the enemy greatly, and you can make it so the boss will never get a turn while you're getting yours. Even better is this cuts out any actual grinding you'd need to do outside this.

[Serela]

Since Byakuren should be at god buffing mode by now (and I'd recommend def/mnd build for her over HP, since with investment she's a great tank, perma-100% helps her stats a good chunk) I imagine Enhancer Sakuya would be getting a bit stale? Since you're running the SDM (minus patch) I'd just suggest switching her to an offense build, though, rather than say... dropping her.

Actually, now that I look more seriously, you have a lot of HP builds (I didn't notice until I realized your image was a mix of really low and crazy high hp counts). How does that work out? I never really seriously considered it since it'd be high-maintennance healing, but I suppose it might be pretty safe as long as you were keeping up said healing. (Plus Meiling's gatekeeper passive gives a hefty damage decrease) That also explains why you're still using Sakuya Enhancer, since % healing is a little more worthwhile on crazy high hp people.

Shadow Azure Giant is a bit of a nightmare but since you're already using Tenshi that probably helps a lot. I'm curious how hard you'll find the boss next to the lv120 FOE on the first floor of the purple stratum...

[DarkAtma]

Well, azure giant just mauled my party without mercy, orin cannot proc a single shk/psn/terror/hvy or anything on that thing, and my only chance to dealing damage is tenshi ripping all of its buffs,buffing the attackers and even them it can easily kill my fragile attackers with its ridiculous speed, gonna put that boss away for now and explore some of the secret areas/rocks that requires 6 Shadow kills or so

Well with most attacks flat out ignoring my Def/Mnd i decided to go full HP on most, Bar Reimu/Tenshi,even considering going full HP reimu now

How about Sakuya private square lv5+toxicologist? currently it stuns the boss for about....0.5 secs or so? Or even hexer, but hexer doesnt come with speed debuffs

[Serela]

I don't think Private Square works with Toxicologist, unless they changed things. Even so, I'm not sure the stun would be long enough to be worth it. And Hexer is only a worthwhile subclass on people with Arm Twisting (or hina, for Hexer's Conversion since she's already debuffed and therefore gets buttloads of regen). Erm... did they rename/retranslate arm twisting, by the way? I never actually grabbed the latest patch since I've beaten the game :V

e:Hmm. Wiki says Sheer Force instead of ArmTwisting now.

Extremely few attacks ignore def/mnd, but the postgame bosses are definitely so strong that getting them down to manageable stuff takes the best of the tanks, or debuffing. HP might not be a bad way to go.

[jaxter0987]

Why everyone says diva aya is broken? the only way i can that class working is by everyone speed being  higher than the boss itself, wich doesn't sound feasible (that  6% bonus exp and less encounters is nice trough)

This is why Diva Aya is broken. I didn't finish the fight because honestly it would have taken too long to do it at challenge level but you get the idea.

Edit: Private Square is unaffected by Toxicologist and is only more effective the more levels it has into it. The paralysis is only useful in very specific situations so I've never really used it save for one occasion where I messed up with Form Changes.

[Shivanic]

Well, azure giant just mauled my party without mercy, orin cannot proc a single shk/psn/terror/hvy or anything on that thing, and my only chance to dealing damage is tenshi ripping all of its buffs,buffing the attackers and even them it can easily kill my fragile attackers with its ridiculous speed, gonna put that boss away for now and explore some of the secret areas/rocks that requires 6 Shadow kills or so

try useing Reimu as a sacrificial heal with final prayer to survive the first turn or two, and it should only buff at the start and at 50% hp so you should try to strip the buff at the start and then debuff, buff your damage dealers then spike it down with fire and spirit attack, (flandre has the strongest attack in the game and it's fire based...) at near 50% HP so that you don't have to deal with it for long. helps that the boss uses phys attacks mostly and Tenshi has the phys damage reducer skill.

Tenshi guardian is amusing thanks to the fact that speed debuffs trigger the kusanagi's former owner skill and that shield defence can help maintain the defense buffs while giving a speed debuff along with the other normal uses of guardian.

[DarkAtma]

Defeated azure giant,black goddess and orbs of time shadow, shredding guardian and aria singing guardian. now my party is in some kind of stale mate with magatama and mirror, only giga flare can damage, everything else deals 0  :ohdear: even with 80-100% buffs

[Shivanic]

mirror is a bitch and a half cause it resists everything, don't use fire, cold, wind or nature as it has a star resistance to those, mys spirit and dark are better and psyical is the element it resists least but the best are charatchers with the skill 'sheer force' and/or defense piercing (this makes okku the one of the best ones as she is the only one with both a def piercing attack and sheer force). magatama is still weak to dark which makes it the easier one. You can try to fight 'c'  if i remember but you should start exploring the extra areas for better gear, the entrances is by the F12 stairs.

[DarkAtma]

i cant find the stairs that lead to 9f extra where C is, i think i must have missed the switch or a rock, got to 10F extra but i cant find the downstairs

[Serela]

Magatama and Mirror really need to be fought with either defense ignoring attacks/passives, and/or DEF-MND debuffs. Trust me, you CANNOT just overwhelm their defenses unless you want to hit like, lv180.

About the 9F thing, I remember the downstairs being pretty simple. You must have missed a pathway somewhere. Although... then again, in LoT2 it marks unexplored bits with red, so it'd be hard to miss that. Look for other things on the map that are probably things you forgot to walk past, instead?

[DarkAtma]

gonna make both sakuya and orin hexer, switched enchancer sakuya for hexer in previous bosses and worked like a charm, while orin was toxicoligist spaming HVY cloud and see how it turns out, remilia usually starts damaging them once last fortress reaches lv6-8, gonna recheck extra 10f later, if i cant find stairs gonna post a picture

[ZXNova]

Hexer Rin makes a lot more sense than Toxicologist honestly. But I don't understand why you're gonna HP build on Rin though.

[Serela]

He's using Orin as support and doesn't want her to die. Almost all of his support characters are in HP builds.

[DarkAtma]

Found "C" (Had to trigger the 3 switches above 10F Extra to get pass the rocks) and died, I am starting to wonder if its just my party having REALLY bad synergy with each other or i just plain suck  :V

Average party level is 148

[Shivanic]

It's mostly that you lack a good debuffer, hexer really isn't enough IMO, That and trying to do 'c' with out poison, debuffs or physical/nature damage is a really bad idea.

[DarkAtma]

My only formidable attackers are Remilia,Flandre,Kasen and Utsuho, 1 is super squishy, other 2 are semi squishy and remilia is a tank but cant deal damage like the other 3 unless last fortress is active

Changed kasen from monk and Utsuho from sorcerer to trascendant, gonna leave that boss for later, meanwhile gonna keep looking for drops and attempting magatama/mirror

[ZXNova]

I heard somewhere that Transcendent Okuu is really good. I forget when. And I know for certain Transcendent Kasen is good, so stuff.

Besides Hina and Reisen, what other good debuffers are there?

[Serela]

I don't think there's other good debuffers for every stat at the same time, but lots of people have good debuffs for a few of the stats. Hexer debuffs are kinda weak compared to the natural ones you can find (Because they only hit one stat and not for a huge amount) so it's only particularly worth using for Sheer Force users imo, of whom Kogasa is tankiest. Or maybe as a normal tank subclass if you didn't need anything else, but that'd probably only be worth it on the bosses you -have- to debuff mnd/def on, when lacking better options.

[DarkAtma]

Defeated Shadow Magatama/Mirror and Staring igmaruji, Only things left to do are explore every extra area for Loot, and prepare party for enchanced boss rush,BloodStained/Strengthen Bosses and Defeat Godly Ame no kuramuno And finally have the self satisfaction of getting its item

Lets see where i can find light needle to craft zeus armor, i havent found a single one yet

[Serela]

Neato~ Curious if you're planning on using either of Mari/Renko now that they're unlocked?

[Axel Ryman]

I'd say Kasen's a decent debuffer, just because Higekiri's Cursed Arm inflicts the valuable Speed Debuff, and also has the Attack one added on along with the potential of inflicting Terror. Rinnosuke's a good offense debuffer with his 2 skills, and Komachi..well mediocre with Narrow Confines of Avici. Yeah it can debuff all stats but the effect really isn't amazing.


Really, past Hina and Reisen, there's no real amazing debuffer, There's good ones but that's it honestly. Unless we apply Subclasses, then it's a different story.



Edit: Unrelated, but thinking about who to give Magic Gems if I get any. I'm planning on giving most of the other gems to Nitori, but since she doesn't use Magic, I need to decide who would make good use of them.

[Yookie]

Rumia is good with them since she has low base-magic but good formulas. I had her damage jump noticeably.
I think the same goes for Cirno.