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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #450 on: August 21, 2014, 09:44:51 PM »
Again- if you take Mokou and are capable of dealing good damage to the boss, you're probably fine (and it's not a big deal if mokou has no real stat investment, so long as she's got DTH resist and maxed Resurrection and doesn't fall over to it's wimpier attacks) It's non-scourge moves aren't very scary IIRC and it's HP isn't particularly high. I think it's pretty vulnerable to debuffs too?

F8 extra is also pretty easy as long as you're careful about killing them all at the same time. Poison helps if there's issues with doing that. It's fun when you go in blind not expecting the shenanigans, though.

The other two are actually bosses; almost no one will have invested in Flandre heavily enough to just lolcheese them, and one's skillset is very likely to get Flan killed not too far into the fight
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by moving her into the front by itself and then immediately killing her because glass
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F14 extra has 3.96 mil, the second highest after staring, (discounting the final redux cause i haven't beat him for his entry). F14 extra runs the curse skills and gravity manipulation, as well as venom and silence fogs, he also resists debuffs somewhat. (just by going in his beastiary and memorys of failed runs.)

F11 extra boss is weak to fire and has 2.15 mil HP so...

I hear about the F16 extra though, guess I'm just silly with buffing flandre so much.

In terms of optionals I'm getting

Kasen - Well-rounded in terms of stats and has some early game power that's useful.
Cirno - Has some use with the Slows
Aya - Pretty obvious reason
Wriggle - Her Poison helps with getting past Hina and Iku, and may help even more later on, maybe.
Parsee - Main mind tank who's main use will be for switching, though if I can inflict Terror that's also good.
Nitori - Need I explain?
Reisen - Debuffs as well as her Intense Vertigo Skill (May due some testing to see how many bosses I can proc Death on using this).

Not sure on anyone else though. Kogasa might be a good idea to grab because of Terror and having decent skills, but I'm not entirely sure.

You're probably gonna need wriggle for the f9 stairs boss at least.

Don't think there's any point where the immortals are needed in terms of plot so mokou is also optional, but mokou is required for reisen.

Might wanna add kaguya and eirin to that list if you're getting reisen and mokou, they are relatively quick to pick up and defense piercing traits are handy in boss battles. eirin's mercury sea help for randoms on floors f13-15 and her over-heal can help anyone tank through an attack so that they don't have to switch out, kaguya is gonna help on the two mirror bosses at the least.

Rumia is a decent idea cause she makes 12f stairs boss a chump, (defense ignoring dark attacks, that works, hey, that also helps on the final boss...).

Hints for bosses i can think of... the F12 stairs boss doesn't attempt to strip off herb of awakening and only uses the nature nuke if her defense is debuffed. (which is why a herb of awakeninged rumia is really effective, no need to debuff defenses and with three forbidden tablets and mag spec, and the fact the boss counts as a human, she can deal about 10k a hit, enough to kill in 7-8 attacks.)

One of the parts of the F18 boss can be deathed if your lucky.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2014, 10:11:36 PM by Shivanic »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #451 on: August 21, 2014, 10:15:44 PM »
You're probably gonna need wriggle for the f9 stairs boss at least.

Don't think there's any point where the immortals are needed in terms of plot so mokou is also optional, but mokou is required for reisen.

Might wanna add kaguya and eirin to that list if you're getting reisen and mokou, they are relatively quick to pick up and defense piercing traits are handy in boss battles. eirin's mercury sea help for randoms on floors f13-15 and her over-heal can help anyone tank through an attack so that they don't have to switch out, kaguya is gonna help on the two mirror bosses at the least.

rumia is a decent idea cause she makes 12f stairs boss a chump, (defense ignoring dark attacks, that works).

Hints for bosses i can think of... the F12 stairs boss doesn't attempt to strip off herb of awakening and only uses the nature nuke if her defense is debuffed. (which is why a herb of awakeninged rumia is really effective, no need to debuff defenses and with three forbidden tablets and mag spec, and the fact the boss counts as a human, she can deal about 10k a hit, enough to kill in 7-8 attacks.)

One of the parts of the F18 boss can be deathed if your lucky.

I actually needed Wriggle for Hina and Iku due to not having the levels to damage them enough and survive. Plus, I can't debuff Hina, so right there ruins a lot of my pressure. For 9F, I can probably get around the Defense using Monk's Spellcard to ignore a portion of defense, and since Tenshi there doesn't go berserk if you have debuffs on her, I can keep her debuffed as well.

I'll probably be grabbing at least one of them. Kaguya will come in handy but Eirin...eh? Might help if I build her damage for the final boss. For 13-15, Nitori can handle the enemy a lot better than Eirin can.

Rumia I think was one I considered, especially for 12F Tenshi. Only issue would be the Manga Meats, but those aren't that difficult to get. If anything, I can grab her after Floor 3 at least.

I'll keep that in mind for 12F Tenshi

Once Diva becomes available, every required boss after isn't much of a threat. I won't need be required to gain anymore levels(I'll probably still fight enemies on 13-15 since they'll easily die, but after I won't until I hit the FOE section of 20F). That Death idea on the 18F boss however was one I planned to do since it has no Star resistance and Reisen will just lower it even more.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #452 on: August 21, 2014, 10:37:43 PM »
well, eirin/reisen is relativly quick to get, there's a teleport near the start of f11 behind a red gate, and if you have the blue switch off, you can just take the tele and get eirin/reisen as the first thing you do on f11, besides there's a stone of awakening to the east of where eirin is so you might as well pick up both of them. ( nitori tends to have a problem with the ancient iron shelled tortoises on f13-14 thanks to their high defense.)

You get a manga meat in a chest, and a manga meat for fighting 50 battles or you can just buy them for 240 each from the shop.
Rumia can act as second tank and healer for hina if you get another love machine for her as well as help on the blue orchid fight.
Rumia gambler on the final boss would deal around 80k per moon if memory serves right, nice considering it'll only cost 6 mp and doesn't care about the boss buffs, might also help deal with the help he gets on the last phase if you need it. (Rumia is kinda awesome if you haven't noticed by now.)
(should be easy to inflict terror on hina considering you're using parsee to tank and picking up kaguya on floor 5 means you can bullet branch her for good damage.)

assuming a lvl 49 rumia set up and equipped so that she has 3k mag for the below strategy.

12f tenshi will get about 1, maybe two attacks off before the damage from rumia starts to force her scripts, and if done right, you should kill her on her second focus. if tenshi decides to use shadow step or grass knot as one of the two attacks she gets at the start, then healer eirin can over heal rumia so that rumia doesn't have to be withdrawn to dodge the first focus-attack.

Forbidden tablet gives spirit resistance, the same element the focus attack deals, but rumia's max hp is low enough that it's still oneshot her dispite taking half damage, hence eirin, also 12f tenshi doesn't trigger her anti buff attack during her scripts I think and if she does, if you keep the mag and attack buff from art of the battlemage under 50% tenshi still won't trigger her anti buff attack.

Near the end, you can withdraw your second slot for rinnosuke to try to get the star drop.

(this is what trying to grind a free orb of earthin and cinderforge sword teaches you, how to kill tenshi quickly.)

Another thing I remember is the at 50% Hp iku is scripted to not only buff herself but to do her AOE, even if she drops below 33% HP between the buff and the attack, that caught me offguard once.

Also noticed your notes say fight mokou but not picking her up, might wanna for the Resurrection and the blazing passive for the f14 touhou boss and the f15 sigil boss, both of whom start the battles with strong attacks and are weak to fire, and any melee attacker can have explosive flame sword to use with the blazing passive.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 12:12:31 AM by Shivanic »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #453 on: August 22, 2014, 01:03:43 AM »
Update: Reached F12 and defeated magatama (First try with level up setup), Mirror (Several tries and had to use boss setup, only Utsuho/Kasen managed to deal damage), And 12F tenshi (Again Only Utsuho and a very buffed kasen dealt damage

Here is the front row setup  i used to beat her with luna dial+Sword treasure,reimu strategist buffing and healing after kasen and utsuho dealt hits and aya using divine grandson advent anytime she could, now lets see how bad is this 12-15F temperature puzzle because i am arrogant and gonna brute force it instead of using a guide  ;)

« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 01:06:03 AM by DarkAtma »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #454 on: August 22, 2014, 04:41:10 AM »
The temperature puzzle isn't too bad - just keep notes about where the switches are and tackle it each individual section at a time (they're actually roughly segmented out, if that makes any sense, so you can do all the things in one chunk before moving onto the next).

You're probably having trouble dealing damage to certain bosses because your party doesn't have any debuffers (unless Marisa is subclassed as a Hexer).

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #455 on: August 22, 2014, 01:34:27 PM »
Rumia I think was one I considered, especially for 12F Tenshi. Only issue would be the Manga Meats, but those aren't that difficult to get. If anything, I can grab her after Floor 3 at least.
If you toss on Satori along with Rumia, the 12f boss is pathetic even with minimal investment in either of the characters. Since you'll be quite underleveled it might be necessary in order to reach enough damage to cheese her pattern?
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #456 on: August 22, 2014, 02:58:18 PM »
If you toss on Satori along with Rumia, the 12f boss is pathetic even with minimal investment in either of the characters. Since you'll be quite underleveled it might be necessary in order to reach enough damage to cheese her pattern?

probably don't need satori. the original numbers forgot youkai's knowledge (silly me).
reran with new numbers (nice having a save right before f12 tenshi), a lvl 41 rumia (for maxed mag boost, maxed dark moon and maxed youkai's knowledge), with 53 voile mag levels, 10 voile speed, equipped with three forbidden tablets, for a total of 2.8k mag still ruins tenshi with proper support, ( lvl 5 herb of excitement, and a attack-magbuff (as love as those two don't get to 50% buff rating)). you can probably drop to 40 mag voile levels and maybe use other mag booster items without hurting the performance much, (not youkai medal axe, otherwise you might not have enough MP without concentrating.)
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 03:03:26 PM by Shivanic »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #457 on: August 22, 2014, 03:47:36 PM »
Got to 16F. Still gotta find byakuren #4 scroll drop, now i admit i used puzzle guide at the end when i was desperate just to find out i had to kill the foe Lava dragon to progress  :derp:, Yuyuko and shining blue giant wiped the floor with me, gonna return later

Also who else gets "unique" monsters once every 30 encounters or so? is there any extra bonus for killing those? they look like abit stronger versions of floor thrash

EDIT:Finally found scroll #4  :3
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 04:05:06 PM by DarkAtma »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #458 on: August 22, 2014, 06:02:56 PM »
Sadly the way forward isn't past the Foe, that leads to a small area for post game, go there anyways to get goodies and trigger a relay point.

You want the NE corner on F15 past two rocks that need yuyuko and shining blue giant to be defeated.

unique monsters have their own drops and tend to give either lots of exp or money. they have beastiary entries so getting the 200 entries achivement means finding all of them most likely.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #459 on: August 22, 2014, 06:12:19 PM »
probably don't need satori. the original numbers forgot youkai's knowledge (silly me).
reran with new numbers (nice having a save right before f12 tenshi), a lvl 41 rumia (for maxed mag boost, maxed dark moon and maxed youkai's knowledge), with 53 voile mag levels, 10 voile speed, equipped with three forbidden tablets, for a total of 2.8k mag still ruins tenshi with proper support, ( lvl 5 herb of excitement, and a attack-magbuff (as love as those two don't get to 50% buff rating)). you can probably drop to 40 mag voile levels and maybe use other mag booster items without hurting the performance much, (not youkai medal axe, otherwise you might not have enough MP without concentrating.)

Trying to actually remember where all 3 Forbidden Tablets are at this point.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #460 on: August 22, 2014, 06:59:38 PM »
well one is dropped by alice just by looking at the drops list and one is probably in a locked chest somewhere.

One more rerun, lvl 41, yada yada yada equipped with 3 kalar crystals and 40 mag voile levels, doable if you buff her mag above 50% for the last attack, still killed her after the second focus but before the focus attack and you just barely have enough MP to pull this off without needing to regain any (if you want more mag, give her a subclass). you can buy kalar crystals in the shop by this point so, not much problem there. Main equip should either increase her ACC or MP just so you don't have to worry about losing tempo and risk the boss running out of scripts.

Honestly, the hard thing is gonna be beating the other two bosses on F12.

« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 07:12:09 PM by Shivanic »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #461 on: August 22, 2014, 07:16:03 PM »
well one is dropped by alice just by looking at the drops list.

Yeah I haven't gone to fight her either. Chances are I'll be around 30 for the fight anyway. Maybe, depends how much leveling I'll need to do for Magatama and Mirror.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #462 on: August 22, 2014, 07:56:42 PM »
Let's see, gotta add satori strategist for the trauma recollection and furious scheme (only enough skill points for two ranks of spellcard recollection, which means that copying dark moon takes 6 MP and will deal around half of rumia's dark moon damage), as well as a durable second slot enhancer, But beating f12 tenshi as lvl 31 is doable if a bit risky as you have to hope tenshi doesn't just oneshot slots 3 or 4 during her first 1-2 turns after the starting enlightenment.

Line up is 31 komachi herbalist, lvl 31 unknown enhancer, lvl 31 satori strategist, and lvl 31 rumia sorcerer (for the minor mag boost) as well as 2-3 people durable or dodgey enough to take a kusanagi wild dance. both satori and rumia were equipped with kalar crystals but you're probably gonna have to sub in equipment cause there isn't just 6 kalar crystals in a chest somewhere and they are 2.5k apiece. You're gonna need some decent voile levels for this, rumia was at mag voile lvl 53 and satori was voile mag lvl 11.

 
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 08:26:02 PM by Shivanic »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #463 on: August 22, 2014, 10:31:39 PM »
Defeated Azure giant,yuyuko and flandre, whats the recommended level fo that 16F foe blocking the path?

Question about skill buffs: do they count separately from normal buffs? for example if remilia got 30% atk from SDM residents skill, i can buff her and make 130% attack at max correct?

Also is amusing seeing sakuya using luna dial once just to make it proc 2-3 times in a row, currently grinding in 15-16F via laveatin incineration

EDIT:Scratch that, i need to beat yukari, not the unmoving foe
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 11:11:08 PM by DarkAtma »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #464 on: August 22, 2014, 11:11:59 PM »
The 16F Foe isn't blocking the path and it isn't meant to be fought right now. It's around the same level as the final boss if you're wondering.

What you're looking for is to beat up Yukari on the NE end of 15F; she's guarding the pathway to 16F proper.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #465 on: August 22, 2014, 11:17:29 PM »
Anybody knows the...tome of reincarnation cheat engine code? with me constantly shuffling members i think i screwed up, i am in 16F and no tomes left. unless they dont influence that heavily on characters (Worried mostly about the MP/TP ones) (Windows 8 just in case anybody knows the answer)

EDIT:Defeated yukari, found 4 tomes in a locked chest on 16F so no worries now  :V

Current party:
Reimu
Tenshi
Ran
Utsuho
Mokou
Kasen
Meiling
Sakuya
Remilia
Flandre
Aya
Byakuren

I would use patchy, But her speed is so offputting for me

Ran,Reimu,Sakuya and aya are buffers/Semi tankers
Meiling,Tenshi,Mokou are tanks
Remilia,Flandre,Kasen and utsuho are the damage dealers
Byakuren, i still dont know what to do with her

I am cleaning floors with magician flandre, due to more MP,chance of leavetin not using MP at all, and recovering 1 MP per turn+Reimu ability of 66% chance of giving 1 MP at the end of the battle

Another questions: Is leveling skills really that helpfull? for example: Why i should level divine grandson advent? it lowers the MP cost or aya delay?

EDIT: Found out SDM residents does not increase speed and Meiling Nap skill doenst work either, well at least i got sakuya to patch that up abit i guess (Information from main page/bugs section) it says momiji Acc skill doenst work either, so i have been lied the whole time about my accuracy?
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 12:24:15 AM by DarkAtma »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #466 on: August 23, 2014, 01:39:51 AM »
Byakuren, i still dont know what to do with her

Another questions: Is leveling skills really that helpfull? for example: Why i should level divine grandson advent? it lowers the MP cost or aya delay?


Byakuren is best used as a tanky buffer, By useing the strategist's inspiration and her own abilitys, she can keep a 100% buff on her at all times, then pass that buff with her last spell card, just needs alot of skill points.

Leveling skills tends to make them better, advent is one of the less straight forward ones when it comes to leveling.

Leveling it up raises the priority of the free turn, if multiple characters have a fill ATB Bar during the same tick, the one who goes first is the one with the highest one then player priority then left to right on your formation bar, so 20000 filled bar would go first before the 15000 filled bar even though they both take a turn because the ATB is higher then 9999. advent sets the ATB to 10000 * skill level. You currently don't need more then one level in advent in the current game.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 01:44:53 AM by Shivanic »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #467 on: August 23, 2014, 02:50:02 AM »
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EDIT: Found out SDM residents does not increase speed and Meiling Nap skill doenst work either, well at least i got sakuya to patch that up abit i guess (Information from main page/bugs section) it says momiji Acc skill doenst work either, so i have been lied the whole time about my accuracy?
The wiki's bugs section isn't up to date, I think. I don't think Meiling's Nap increases speed, but it does give it's other buff effect, and I think Momiji's accuracy up works as well, now. Not sure about SDM resident speed.

The japwiki's bug page is most likely up to date, but I can't recall it's url.

e:Found it, but the japwiki says the only nonfunctioning skills are Suika's binding thing, and one of Iku's Hagoromo ones. IIRC we've confirmed some of the other things aren't working right, though...
« Last Edit: August 23, 2014, 02:53:29 AM by Serela »
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #468 on: August 23, 2014, 03:22:04 AM »

Byakuren, i still dont know what to do with her



You can use her as a bulky offensive buffer, by going monk. She'll be able to do sufficient damage while also being able to pass buffs and easily recovering any damage she tanks.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #469 on: August 23, 2014, 03:58:11 AM »
Okay so.
I got all of the Chen events from 4F to 9F, even went back and used the jp site to check where they were to see if I did get them.
But Ran's boss icon isn't spawning. Same with the icons that weaken her Shikigami.
Is there something I need to do other than Chen's events, or did I just get screwed out of a good character?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #470 on: August 23, 2014, 04:04:49 AM »
Uh, I don't remember, but I think there were some Chen events before 4F right? Or maybe you didn't get all the Chen events. I think Chen has to be at a certain BP too.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #471 on: August 23, 2014, 04:12:49 AM »
Uh, I don't remember, but I think there were some Chen events before 4F right? Or maybe you didn't get all the Chen events. I think Chen has to be at a certain BP too.
But according to the jp wiki, each Chen event unlocks the next in the chain.
If I was able to clear the 9F event, that means all of her events have been done, so Ran should show up.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #472 on: August 23, 2014, 06:25:42 AM »
Well I'm guessing Chen either has to be a certain BP or you missed one more event.

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #473 on: August 23, 2014, 04:00:42 PM »
Got all the BP for yuuka event and defeated her (Funny how her sprite isnt changed), currently at 18F

Question aboutt he No Foe achievement: Do i need to have all 20 floors unlocked, and get rid of every FOE on every floor and prevent them from spawning? at how many trips they spawn

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #474 on: August 23, 2014, 05:29:53 PM »
they respawn in about 13 trips, and you're not doing that til the start of postgame cause it counts the one on 16F and that one is lvl 120. The final boss has a recommended level of 100 for example.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #475 on: August 23, 2014, 07:16:47 PM »
The Final Boss has a level of 120 as well though (not the recommended level, but the level of the boss itself)

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #476 on: August 23, 2014, 08:29:36 PM »
Defeated Eiki (Whats up with the re-used sprite) Reached 19F thanks to Gambler flandre one shotting all 3 orbs, its freaking ridiculous  :V, i hope some good chests remain in 19 and 20F, i got 2 keys spare and wont use them on lower floor chests

Now i officially got all characters bar renko/mari

EDIT

Reached 20F east and west, i got 10 awakening stones did i missed any? Currently grinding to reach challenge level, also took my time to search at every floor from 17F below in search of items

Also why we cant craft main equipment?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2014, 03:11:06 PM by DarkAtma »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #477 on: August 24, 2014, 03:17:39 PM »
no clue about the main equipment thing, maybe something in the future. 10 stones is all you get til post game.

Testing while laveatein grinding on F20 shows that blazing passive on multiple front liners do stack, the real question is how do they stack? (makes sense since the skill doesn't say it doesn't stack unlike most skills that do.)
« Last Edit: August 24, 2014, 05:17:53 PM by Shivanic »

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #478 on: August 24, 2014, 07:21:12 PM »
Defeated ame no murakumo, Game clear, Now into the post game content, Flandre got half usefull when boss casted his MP eating spell because i forgot to take off the main equip Staff, thus causing flandre to not regen MP at all during the fight, Kasen,Remilia,and flandre did the damage (30k hits each with Arm,Gunghir and flan normal command)

Stats after game. I expected to get the last item from the boss, seems like i was wrong,How do i trigger enchanced bosses to appear? example: wiki says there is one at F1 but i cant find it on the minimap

« Last Edit: August 24, 2014, 08:06:50 PM by DarkAtma »

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F
« Reply #479 on: August 24, 2014, 08:06:27 PM »
Is it me, or did you get to post game quite fast?