Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F

[Shivanic]

How well does a SDM party do? One more stone to get patchy, guide says i get remilia and sakuya at 10F, and flandre will be gotten later (Talking about SDM residents skill,If i understand it correctly its a 30% buff to all stats if all front liners are from the SDM)

You should have gotten patchy by F7 so you missed a stone somewhere on floors 5-7. And you should think about defeating the foes on f7-8 if you haven't already.

patchy needs a first aid kit to survive a attack of any kind but having debuff immunity and 5 elements to attack is handy, remilia is about the same as the first game (Imo only having two spellcards is really annoying considering now that gungnir has an element), meiling isn't as durable as she was in the first game but still durable,
sakuya has been improved alot and is now worth using as a attacker, and flandre is as dangerous as ever (as in while you can fight her by f12, you're better off waiting til F15 just to get the levels needed to survive).

[DarkAtma]

might replace chen for sakuya, aya can replace her for floor exploring, and might not use kaguya but ran instead,and finally gonna replace keine with mannosuke probably,is there any rewards for beating temshi in the post 9f battle where she gets a power up? also saw this boss called "C" in the wiki, stating is the strongest one (saw a video too) and i trought LoT1 boss cheesyness could not be upped in 2

[Shivanic]

"c" is post game and is rather easy if time consuming so don't worry, and I don't think so since tenshi powered form doesn't get a beastiary entry for that power up fight.

The strongest one is the desire eating demon anyway, since it has an attack akin to scourge from LoT1 that it uses whenever it wants. (it's a bad sign when the challenge level for a boss is higher then the level of the boss itself, which is the case for desire eating demon, by 2 lvls if I recall.) (It might be possible to survive it but it would mean spending way to much money on dark affinity in viole and it still has a powerful ass death effect attached to it.)

[Serela]

The strongest one is the desire eating demon anyway, since it has an attack akin to scourge from LoT1 that it uses whenever it wants.(It might be possible to survive it but it would mean spending way to much money on dark affinity in viole and it still has a powerful ass death effect attached to it.)

If you use Mokou and make sure to have a plan for dealing good damage, it's very easy.

The strongest one is definitely

Spoiler:

Culex

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[Shivanic]

F16 extra boss dies to flandre leviathening his ass twice without the genji glove, the desire eating demon has enough health that you're gonna need the genji glove procing at least once to do it if your plan is kill him before he takes a turn.

then again leviathening bosses twice is kinda how most non fire-resist bosses die for me.

[Serela]

Well it depends how much overleveling you've done... I was kinda overleveled and had heavily tweaked Flan but she wasn't -that- strong.

I don't remember if I was using Mokou's blazing passive >_> I know I HAD mokou so it's likely I was? Maybe I wasn't. ...if you can stack blazing since like 3 people have it, then, oh dear, but that'd be way too broken if you could do that.

When you say "if your plan is to kill him before he takes a turn", though, I kind of imagine you're ridiculously overpowered for the fights.

[DarkAtma]

Apologies if this question has been asked, but is there any way to extract the BGM? specifically that strengthen boss BGM wich sounds chaos level epic like the bloodstained bosses from lot1

[Shivanic]

When you say "if your plan is to kill him before he takes a turn", though, I kind of imagine you're ridiculously overpowered for the fights.

not really, it's when you give flandre flamelong sword, 500 viole attack levels and front line of (sanae, flandre gambler, aya diva, yukari strategist.) with that you kinda deal around 3 mil before the boss takes a turn, and the f16 extra boss himself only has 2.56 mil HP. f14 extra however has 3.96 mill HP which then requires the use of the genji glove and hoping for the double damage proc on it, (f14 extra can outspeed speed 550 aya, quite annoying). but doing F16 extra like this means you lose some bestiary entries for his sidekick since he uses his first turn to summon them and this plan kills him before his first turn, thus he doesn't summon them. F16 extra also doesn't get til first turn nigh invulnerability like "c" and final boss redux.

The first time you can use this strategy for great effect is on the f18 boss.

[Serela]

500 viole attack levels

what level is your actual party at, again

[Shivanic]

what level is your actual party at, again

flandre is lvl 153 and has 407 attack and 220 magic viole levels, killed f16 extra first for his drop so that flandre has flame long, quartz charm and genji glove equipped as well as the youkai metal shattering axe. 10 magic, 10 attack,10  wisdom gems as well as attack and magic boosts. so flandre's attack in the status screen is 60k and her mag is at 15k.

these stats are before I take on the desire eating demon.

Aya is lvl 158 with a speed of 700 with a choice scarf, two ninja lord costumes and the great question's mask equipped.
 sanae and yukari could be lvl 50 for all the skill points we need for the sub classes and lvl 5 miracle fruit

[DarkAtma]

Defeated ran, MVP was utsuho spaming reactor and buffing her stats to spam even harder and kasen spaming NTR multi nuke and fist when ran was alone, meiling picked off ran remailing HP with mountain breaker after she killed utsuho and kasen

Still no info on how to extract music? I cant seen to find the song on youtube either >_>:

[Axel Ryman]

Still no info on how to extract music? I cant seen to find the song on youtube either >_>:

Um I put Labyrinth of Touhou 2 OST into Youtube and find it pretty easily.


Someone has posted a mediafire link to the OST ages ago. Not sure if anyone remembers the link though.

[DarkAtma]

i checked both and it doesnt have the strngthen boss theme, let me recheck just in case

[Shivanic]

just did a version is my set up at lvl 150 and it still worked on the f14 extra boss, so it should work on f16 extra as well, aya needs her speed at around 700 to be fast enough for the 2000 delay after the first leavithen, but other wise all that matters is getting sanae to double buff and genji glove procing.

[DarkAtma]

Kinda of confirmed it, the strengthen boss OST/theme isnt either on youtube or the mediafire link some threads back, Maybe because they were implemented in a later patch?

[Axel Ryman]

That one got posted by itself later on. I have the link for that one thanks to not cleaning cookies.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/k250uj2w4kl2pkg/251_VS%E5%A4%A7%E5%A4%A9%E4%BD%BF%E6%88%A6.mp3

[jaxter0987]

flandre is lvl 153 and has 407 attack and 220 magic viole levels, killed f16 extra first for his drop so that flandre has flame long, quartz charm and genji glove equipped as well as the youkai metal shattering axe. 10 magic, 10 attack,10  wisdom gems as well as attack and magic boosts. so flandre's attack in the status screen is 60k and her mag is at 15k.

these stats are before I take on the desire eating demon.

Aya is lvl 158 with a speed of 700 with a choice scarf, two ninja lord costumes and the great question's mask equipped.
 sanae and yukari could be lvl 50 for all the skill points we need for the sub classes and lvl 5 miracle fruit

And this is why I keep my Voile levels reasonable. When your character's level is a 3rd of their Voile levels, you've over leveled a ton already and thats no fun imo. If I wanted to make the game un fun, I could just give Diva to Aya fully specced for Speed and cheese the game that way.

Finally uploaded the final boss fight video of my synergy run. Started my third play through soon after and man is it nice being able to actually read the story. I realized a bit too late that my chosen 12 for this play through has no healers whatsoever so I'm going to have to depend on subclasses a lot more than I did in my synergy run.

[Shivanic]

started a second playthrough anyways a while back, but if you call that overleveled... I'm not seeing how you defeat the extra bosses without being overleveled, cause they tear me apart, then again all the money that was in flan's attack could have been in affinities but still. (flan was the only character who had stats like that, eggs in one basket idea, what i'm getting at is that they need to give the f16 extra boss nigh invilnrability like they did with the f8 extra boss and the final boss redux.) (and i think it might be cheaper in terms of money to pump flandre like this then try to get twelve characters to have enough defenses and speed so the f14 extra doesn't mow them down like grass.)

Kinda hard to perpare for these extra bosses since they aren't in the wiki yet ( the f14 extra and the f16 extra), (possible strategy for the f14 extra is to shock-lock it like you do with the shadow knowledge, but it's stupid fast..  and both f14 extra and f16 extra are weak to cold and nature.)

[Garlyle]

started a second playthrough anyways a while back, but if you call that overleveled... I'm not seeing how you defeat the extra bosses without being overleveled, cause they tear me apart

I can't speak for the others yet, but 8F's is all hella vulneurable to Poison (Hello Wriggle/Yuka combo you are silly and rack up thousands of duration on poisons) and then it's just a matter of sitting it out until they're all within range to get singularly nuked by someone else.

[DarkAtma]

Defeated Sakuya and remilia duo, even for their challenge level they feel easy compared to other things (party was 5 levels below), Finally got all the sakes for suika, and did the 50 runs challenge, aiming for 12F and killing 30 FOE, also got kanako, currently exploring 11f aimlessly  :V

@AxelRayman Thanks alot for finding it  :3

[Shivanic]

I can't speak for the others yet, but 8F's is all hella vulneurable to Poison (Hello Wriggle/Yuka combo you are silly and rack up thousands of duration on poisons) and then it's just a matter of sitting it out until they're all within range to get singularly nuked by someone else.

F8 extra is take yuuka, give her midgard's tooth, spam beauty of nature. Make sure to pack dark affinity and debuff the bosses, (hina works well for that).

F11 extra is Leviathan twice because being weak to fire is silly when gambler flandre exists.

F14 extra has a renamed scourge as a random attack and as such is probably RNG heavy if you don't shock lock it.

F16 extra is... I forgot because I Leviathan his ass to quickly to get much of a feel for his fight.

Defeated Sakuya and remilia duo, even for their challenge level they feel easy compared to other things (party was 5 levels below), Finally got all the sakes for suika, and did the 50 runs challenge, aiming for 12F and killing 30 FOE, also got kanako, currently exploring 11f aimlessly  :V

@AxelRayman Thanks alot for finding it  :3

sakuya and remilia is rather easy thanks to the fact all you need to worry about is surviving and not needing to worry about sky high defenses like most bosses do, that and the fact that sakuya is weak to both shock and paralysis make it easy to keep her from acting too much.

Make sure to find ten stones of awakening by F15. F12 in this game is still pretty painful compairable to maybe F12 in the first labrythe game, might not be as bad but still hurts.

[jaxter0987]

started a second playthrough anyways a while back, but if you call that overleveled... I'm not seeing how you defeat the extra bosses without being overleveled, cause they tear me apart, then again all the money that was in flan's attack could have been in affinities but still. (flan was the only character who had stats like that, eggs in one basket idea,

I just kinda assumed your other party members had similar-ish stats which is why I said you were over leveled. I can't say I agree with the whole eggs in one basket idea, especially as far as Voile levels go, since Voile gets diminishing returns with respect to how much it costs to raise the stat when you raise a stat that high. There's probably a point where it'd be more efficient to raise another character's stat to get more bang for your buck, but it's kind of hard to figure out when that actually happens.

I feel like the extra bosses are manageable at or at least around challenge level, if you geared and chose party members specifically for that boss. I'm pretty sure no one did that though, due to Late Character Syndrome as I certainly didn't.

[Shivanic]

It's just easier to gear one attacker then trying to gear 6+ attackers (I so wish we could craft main equipment), I don't wanna farm cinderforge swords and grand master breakers off of the hardest random encounters for a less then1% drop chance of them and you only get one genji glove cause there's only two dragon's manes and two items need a dragon's mane.

and there's a reason that the two harder extra bosses aren't weak to wind or fire what with flamelong and mjolnir equipment around.

besides, they should have made the bosses a bit more fire resistant if they didn't want this to happen. Or make the F18 boss so bloody annoying so that it started this strategy in the first place.

[Axel Ryman]

Putting a bit of thought back into my speedrun planning, now I'm wondering if I should also manipulate the Gem drops to help boost up base stats for certain characters(I.E Nitori for damage, maybe Wriggle for Defenses) along with boss drops, or just manipulate the boss drops(Which is hard/annoying enough as is).

[Shivanic]

probably a no on manipulating gem drops, you're probably get enough of what you need if you keep beating bosses under the challenge level, (10 magic gems for flandre so that she can double gamble laevithen f18 boss's annoying ass.)

is it just me or does hard mode actually lower some bosses challenge levels? cause i don't remember flandre's challenge level being 65 or the f12 bosses being 48,48,50 respectivly.

[Axel Ryman]

probably a no on manipulating gem drops, you're probably get enough of what you need if you keep beating bosses under the challenge level, (10 magic gems for flandre so that she can double gamble laevithen f18 boss's annoying ass.)

Not getting Flan. Chances are I won't be hitting 60 achievements, maybe half that, but even if I could, I'd need to recruit the SDM crew and get them 300 BP each.

[Shivanic]

right right, Still don't think you need to manipulate the gem drops for the speed run. who are you planning on getting?

[Hawk]

you only get one genji glove cause there's only two dragon's manes and two items need a dragon's mane.

You can farm infinite dragon's manes.  From the...baby dragons?  I think you can find them on 15F's extra area.  (This is all based on memory so my details might be wrong.)

[Axel Ryman]

right right, Still don't think you need to manipulate the gem drops for the speed run. who are you planning on getting?

In terms of optionals I'm getting

Kasen - Well-rounded in terms of stats and has some early game power that's useful.
Cirno - Has some use with the Slows
Aya - Pretty obvious reason
Wriggle - Her Poison helps with getting past Hina and Iku, and may help even more later on, maybe.
Parsee - Main mind tank who's main use will be for switching, though if I can inflict Terror that's also good.
Nitori - Need I explain?
Reisen - Debuffs as well as her Intense Vertigo Skill (May due some testing to see how many bosses I can proc Death on using this).

Not sure on anyone else though. Kogasa might be a good idea to grab because of Terror and having decent skills, but I'm not entirely sure.

[Serela]

F14 extra has a renamed scourge as a random attack and as such is probably RNG heavy if you don't shock lock it.

Again- if you take Mokou and are capable of dealing good damage to the boss, you're probably fine (and it's not a big deal if mokou has no real stat investment, so long as she's got DTH resist and maxed Resurrection and doesn't fall over to it's wimpier attacks) It's non-scourge moves aren't very scary IIRC and it's HP isn't particularly high. I think it's pretty vulnerable to debuffs too?

F8 extra is also pretty easy as long as you're careful about killing them all at the same time. Poison helps if there's issues with doing that. It's fun when you go in blind not expecting the shenanigans, though.

The other two are actually bosses; almost no one will have invested in Flandre heavily enough to just lolcheese them, and one's skillset is very likely to get Flan killed not too far into the fight

Spoiler:

by moving her into the front by itself and then immediately killing her because glass

. Plus many would consider Aya Diva to be too gamebreaking to use :V