Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F (Read 184239 times)

Serela · « **Reply #270 on:** July 18, 2014, 08:01:42 PM »

ATB bar is same as LoT1, except that you actually see the number. Stats don't scale quite as crazily in that game either, though. Probably kinda because the end of the current content likely won't see you going over lv200 unless your name is Chen, admittedly, and Plus Disk is coming out not terribly far away....

It'd be nice if the page on the wiki just listed how much you got per tick instead of silly "how much to reach 100 from x", but it's mostly only relevant at Winner time anyway. And for that matter... since it's on the "Talk" page, almost no one will ever see it.

e:Oh, nevermind, database speed IS how much you get per tick. Right.

Garlyle · « **Reply #271 on:** July 19, 2014, 06:12:50 PM »

Going Live to hopefully finish LoT2 right now

Koog · « **Reply #272 on:** July 20, 2014, 01:15:21 AM »

I've just started a run with characters that are bosses of stages 1 to 3 only.
GOD! Youmu was a piece of cake with Rumia and Kogasa, Youmu, you must felt embarassed by being defeated by weaklings like them.

ZXNova · « **Reply #273 on:** July 20, 2014, 03:57:08 AM »

Well Rumia and Kogasa are clearly ghost types, so it's super effective! Wait wrong game.

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #274 on:** July 20, 2014, 01:18:46 PM »

Quote from: ZXNova on July 20, 2014, 03:57:08 AM

Well Rumia and Kogasa are clearly ghost types, so it's super effective! Wait wrong game.

Actually, they're Dark type in terms of attack, striking and blindsiding poor Youmu with scaring her senseless, because fear is Youmu's weakness and Dark type attack are good at that(the fact that she's easily struck by the Terror status ailment does not help matters for her). The phrase "afraid of the dark" is not a bad metaphor for how those two can simply make her curl up into a ball and weep.

...wow, I actually feel bad for Youmu now.

Koog · « **Reply #275 on:** July 20, 2014, 08:07:08 PM »

Actually, I attacked with Dark and Mystic attack, Meiling also helped with Brilliant Light Gem, which is Spirit.

ZXNova · « **Reply #276 on:** July 20, 2014, 08:39:45 PM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on July 20, 2014, 01:18:46 PM

Actually, they're Dark type in terms of attack, striking and blindsiding poor Youmu with scaring her senseless, because fear is Youmu's weakness and Dark type attack are good at that(the fact that she's easily struck by the Terror status ailment does not help matters for her). The phrase "afraid of the dark" is not a bad metaphor for how those two can simply make her curl up into a ball and weep.

...wow, I actually feel bad for Youmu now.

Well Ghosts are known for scaring people as well. Well you could just say Rumia is a dark type and Kogasa a ghost type (Dat Karakasa yo). Both are super effective to ghost so, stuff.

If you go by TPP 1.8 terms, Rumia and Kogasa just threw shadow balls are her. (Cause ghost is immune to dark and vice versa in 1.8 )

Anyway, back to Labyrinth of Touhou 1 and 2.

I've been kind of neglecting THL2, gotta get back into it.

MysTeariousYukari · « **Reply #277 on:** July 21, 2014, 12:08:08 AM »

Touhou Laby1, I seem to have a slight issue with the Cheat Engine tables linked. All the gear addresses are giving ?? as the value. My table also has a no description address for Star of Elendil that actually gives a proper value. How would I go about getting a proper address list based on that one item? If possible that is >.>

The ?? address for Star of Elendil comes up as 00121C54, while the working one comes up as 00181C1C, if that helps at all >.>

I've farmed 20F enough to get almost all of the 5% drops, I'm only missing Scourge... Heck, I've gotten some of the drops 3 or 4 times, and they are 1.5% chance after the first!

I get if this is supposed to ensure being ready for Plus Disk content, due to the grinding to get the items so you can have all 5 Stars... but my lowest level character,

Spoiler:

is 198, and mostly everyone else is around 220, I think I can handle what is coming

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #278 on:** July 21, 2014, 03:52:45 AM »

Quote from: MysTeariousYukari on July 21, 2014, 12:08:08 AM

I get if this is supposed to ensure being ready for Plus Disk content, due to the grinding to get the items so you can have all 5 Stars... but my lowest level character,
Spoiler:
Rinnosuke
is 198, and mostly everyone else is around 220, I think I can handle what is coming

I don't know... you seem to just barely be scratching the recommended levels for the Plus Disk stuff. Even then, I'm pretty sure the recommended levels on the wiki are bare minimum levels for those fights.

I finally made more progress with my synergy run (god knows how long its been stalled since 16F fight).
I'm actually ready to fight the final boss but I haven't uploaded the videos for the last few major fights yet.

Koog · « **Reply #279 on:** July 21, 2014, 04:12:24 AM »

The weaklings team defeated Kaguya, the Chrysomallos and the Golem.
When I decided to make Kogasa a tank, it worked well, since every attack the Chrysomallos landed on her it did 0 or 1 point of damage.
Kaguya... Parsee...
The golem was tough, (like if it wasn't before...) how lucky I am that Wriggle poisoned it, Minoriko did 150+ damage, Rumia wasn't hit, and Hina could debuff that freaking thing (she still died though).

EDIT: There goes Alaya Vijnana (or whatever you call it), Meiling, Cirno, Kogasa and Parsee did a great team here, Meiling spamming Moutain Breaker, Cirno and Kogasa using their cold spells, and Kogasa and Parsee inflicting terror, you're doomed.

EDIT2: Komachi, not so hard, many damage dealers, Yuugi, Wriggle, Minoriko (1420!), Alice, Chen, Mystia, Hina (surprisingly for me) and Kogasa. All of them did a great job to easily finish Komachi. But, she owned Chen, Alice, Wriggle and Mystia in the way...

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #280 on:** July 27, 2014, 04:51:48 AM »

Quote from: Axel Ryman on July 17, 2014, 11:37:42 AM

So I altered Komachi's Attack and Magic stats to 0...and got hilarious results. I was actually HEALING the enemies with every attack. Twas funny it was.

What.

Sigh... *wonders why game devs can't make it so that if the damage dealt is below zero, then it should be made to register as zero damage...*

Serela · « **Reply #281 on:** July 27, 2014, 11:06:13 AM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on July 27, 2014, 04:51:48 AM

Sigh... *wonders why game devs can't make it so that if the damage dealt is below zero, then it should be made to register as zero damage...*

It doesn't really matter- without hacking the game, you're never going to have an atk/mag stat of 0, and under other circumstances (aka the enemy's def/mnd is just high) your zero damage will actually be 0 damage and not a heal.

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #282 on:** July 27, 2014, 09:16:42 PM »

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but whatever it is... I was doing fine on two phases on the final boss until the phase with the statues and that's when things went to high hell on wheels I need help deciding what party to run with.

Here was my last party to that I fought with to tell what was going on:

Damage Dealers:
Flandre / Gambler
Nitori / Transcendent
Suika

Buffers:

Aya/Diva
Sanae/ Enchanter (Healing and buffing)
Reimu (She also was my healer)
Byakuren was my extra tank and buffer.

Tanks:
Tenshi
Meiling
Komachi

I had Patchouli in my party which I feel was a mistake and think I should of took Reisen for the debuffs, but that was a mistake does anyone know what I could do to at least survive the statue phase. Most of my party is 109 ~ 120. I was doing well I just need to know do I need more damage dealers or do I need to make use of a Hexer and someone that can nuke the statues and kill the last boss.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #283 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:16:56 AM »

Quote from: MewMewHeart on July 27, 2014, 09:16:42 PM

I don't know what I'm doing wrong but whatever it is... I was doing fine on two phases on the final boss until the phase with the statues and that's when things went to high hell on wheels I need help deciding what party to run with.

Here was my last party to that I fought with to tell what was going on:

Damage Dealers:
Flandre / Gambler
Nitori / Transcendent
Suika

Buffers:

Aya/Diva
Sanae/ Enchanter (Healing and buffing)
Reimu (She also was my healer)
Byakuren was my extra tank and buffer.

Tanks:
Tenshi
Meiling
Komachi

I had Patchouli in my party which I feel was a mistake and think I should of took Reisen for the debuffs, but that was a mistake does anyone know what I could do to at least survive the statue phase. Most of my party is 109 ~ 120. I was doing well I just need to know do I need more damage dealers or do I need to make use of a Hexer and someone that can nuke the statues and kill the last boss.

Taking Reisen for the debuffs is great. I don't know how that turned out to be a mistake.

You either need to finish off the boss right before he switches to that phase or have a strong multi-target nuker take out the statues.
It shouldn't be hard for a Gambler Flandre to pull off the former, given

Spoiler:

and the fact that you have Aya.
Patchouli should be able to pull off the latter, for the same reasons Flandre is able to pull off the former.

In all honesty, it seems like your party composition is sound, so you just needed to know how to handle that phase. I'd like to know what subclasses you've given to the rest of the members, but what you've told me is already a pretty good set up in my opinion.

Oh, and if you're going to use Reisen for debuffing, there is no reason not to spec her entirely for Speed or spec her entirely defensively. I'm going to go with Speed for the end of my synergy run if it turns out that going glass cannon Reisen doesn't work out for me.

Last few fights before the final boss in my synergy run:
20F Fight 1
20F Fight 2

Going to record the last boss fight now (or at least attempt the fight before reworking my set up) and hopefully be able to upload it by tomorrow.

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #284 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:41:37 AM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on July 28, 2014, 01:16:56 AM

Taking Reisen for the debuffs is great. I don't know how that turned out to be a mistake.

You either need to finish off the boss right before he switches to that phase or have a strong multi-target nuker take out the statues.
It shouldn't be hard for a Gambler Flandre to pull off the former, given
Spoiler:
The huge delay the boss has after he puts everyone to 1 hp
and the fact that you have Aya.
Patchouli should be able to pull off the latter, for the same reasons Flandre is able to pull off the former.

In all honesty, it seems like your party composition is sound, so you just needed to know how to handle that phase. I'd like to know what subclasses you've given to the rest of the members, but what you've told me is already a pretty good set up in my opinion.

My Patchouli couldn't put a dent in the boss which was why I was thinking it was mistake to bring her into the fight, but if I have to I will switch out someone for Reisen and start dropping debuffs and then hope that it'll be enough for Flandre, Suika, or Nitori to one shot him at least dent him before he gets the statues out.

So, I'll assume it wasn't my setup from what you're telling me it was just my luck which makes me want to try again tomorrow to see if it was flaw on my part. Other than that I'm glad to at least lurk in this thread to understand how to handle the last boss, all I gotta say is though I was pretty lucky during that fight unlike Labyrinth of Touhou 1's last boss fight. I'm hoping this one will be more easier on me, because I'm quite interested in fighting the postgame bosses.

Garlyle · « **Reply #285 on:** July 28, 2014, 08:42:14 AM »

The statue phase is the final test of the fight, and it's what wiped me the first time I nearly had it on stream.

I'm not sure how your Patchouli wasn't doing damage, unless you weren't able to maintain DEF/MND debuffs (and even then if you can't do that most characters will be stopped cold on this fight). She's still incredibly valuable for Royal Flare when the statues show up though. Either way, if you're relying on only single-target damage dealers you'll need to burn down the boss before it summons the statues.

Also yes, bring Reisen. Reisen is amazing.

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #286 on:** July 28, 2014, 04:53:18 PM »

Ok, it's decided then I'll bring Reisen I just need to decide who to have sit out so I don't panic over putting a dent in my strategy and party. That reminds me... is the Art of Oni Binding skill bug for Suika fixed yet?

suzushinayuriko · « **Reply #287 on:** July 28, 2014, 11:06:42 PM »

I just cleared out all three Deformed Bosses (admittedly with Diva Aya + Hexer Reisen breaking all of them) to recruit Renko and Maribel. Something that's been confusing me is the locations of the last two Stones of Awakening. I only have ten and I'm fairly certain I got two from post-game, so did I miss some in the main areas? Also, what does the Jewel of Greater Awakening do?

Also, I never actually found the stairs to 21F. Where are they located?

ZXNova · « **Reply #288 on:** July 29, 2014, 01:12:50 AM »

Quote from: suzushinayuriko on July 28, 2014, 11:06:42 PM

I just cleared out all three Deformed Bosses (admittedly with Diva Aya + Hexer Reisen breaking all of them) to recruit Renko and Maribel. Something that's been confusing me is the locations of the last two Stones of Awakening. I only have ten and I'm fairly certain I got two from post-game, so did I miss some in the main areas? Also, what does the Jewel of Greater Awakening do?

Also, I never actually found the stairs to 21F. Where are they located?

Ok, the first ten SoAs are found in main game, last two are post game. Their locations, I don't know. The Jewel of Awakening is basically the infinite SoA. Can give subclasses to every person now.

The stairs to the 21th floor are located right behind the Final Boss on the 20th floor.

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #289 on:** July 29, 2014, 01:21:47 AM »

After a few hours of beating the final boss and the boss rush... I believe some more grinding is required, any recommendations and tips of what level to be for the enhanced bosses and how to go about it?

Serela · « **Reply #290 on:** July 29, 2014, 03:21:10 AM »

If you're smashing all the applicable ones with Reisen debuffs then the recommended levels are probably okay. I don't know how many you can keep shut down with debuffs, but several of them seem balanced with debuffing them to hell in mind even if they're kinda resistant. Some others seemed balanced with defense ignoring in mind as well >_>;

How to go about it? Honestly, your easiest bet is to gear Nitori up with the best (at least one Title of Grand Master Breaker, and Yogurt Doll main equip for hilarious mp, Cooling Down passive seems to work even at not-full-hp) and have her be your MVP with god-byakuren!strategist tankbuffing the party and whoever else tanking. But with debuffs, other people should actually be able to do damage too. Especially Flan. (Even Nitori/Flan will need def debuffs on the boss sometimes, though. You can't just grind past it. Seriously, I went 50 levels over recommend in order to pull that off on just the refights, which is enough to finish all of postgame.)

At this point in the game Nitori can tank nearly as well as actual tanks while being built for ATK and outdamaging everyone on bosses that don't have sky-high def. Not that your other damage dealers are obsolete... but Nitori kinda raises the bar where they have to either be superstrong gamblers, or capable of tanking bosses along with dealing damage (which tends to require def/mnd debuffs or ignoring)

ZXNova · « **Reply #291 on:** July 29, 2014, 05:25:21 AM »

In other words, Nitori is broken.

RegalStar · « **Reply #292 on:** July 29, 2014, 06:22:22 AM »

It sounds like characters in LoT2 are much less balanced than characters in LoT1.

Garlyle · « **Reply #293 on:** July 29, 2014, 06:43:18 AM »

Quote from: RegalStar on July 29, 2014, 06:22:22 AM

It sounds like characters in LoT2 are much less balanced than characters in LoT1.

I don't think that. There's actually a lot of really good characters in LoT2, and far fewer that seem absolutely trash. Both games have characters who are higher end at what they do and lower end, but there's also enough room for adaptation in LoT2 via skills, subclassing, etc. that you can get some interesting results (Cirno is, I shit you not, one of my party's dedicated nukers for instance)

Nitori's just kind of an exception, and to be fair, she was exceptional in LoT1 as well - she's just even more of an exception in LoT2.

Yookie · « **Reply #294 on:** July 29, 2014, 08:12:43 AM »

Instead of there being characters that are just bad to the point you'd really only take them with you out of sympathy they turned it around and made some characters (one character) so good you'd only take her with you out of antipathy. (Or because Super Scope 3D just looks and sounds silly and will never be anywhere near as awesome as the Linear Megawatt Gun ever was and are of the opinion that whoever wants buffs better gets them herself or is happy with Sanae's.)

Garlyle · « **Reply #295 on:** July 29, 2014, 11:05:28 AM »

jesus crust

the postgame floors are freaking massive

Also I think I understand now why so many bosses were resistant to Poison - it seems to function differently in this game than LoT1. I'm pretty sure I ate about 80% of the Shadow Kraken's HP via Wriggle landing poisons.

Serela · « **Reply #296 on:** July 29, 2014, 01:45:11 PM »

The postgame floors are kinda snore-tier huge x_x

ZXNova · « **Reply #297 on:** July 29, 2014, 06:04:11 PM »

Quote from: RegalStar on July 29, 2014, 06:22:22 AM

It sounds like characters in LoT2 are much less balanced than characters in LoT1.

Not that LoT2 characters are imbalanced, rather, there is this 1 (and maybe 2) characters that are pretty broken. Everyone else is honestly really good, but these two (I'm refering to Nitori and Byakuren) are just... outrageous. Nitori is an outrageous damager bruiser tank thing, and Byakuren is an outrageous offensive support tank buffer thing. Can you do fine without them? Of course. Will you rekt things if you take them? Yes.

Garlyle · « **Reply #298 on:** July 31, 2014, 10:23:08 AM »

Quote from: Serela on July 29, 2014, 01:45:11 PM

The postgame floors are kinda snore-tier huge x_x

I kinda like it. ~~better than nothing but grinding~~

Four shadows down, almost all of the 'downwards' Extra floors successfully searched. Shredding is an exceptionally silly boss. So was the Poison Wasp actually - a frontline of Wriggle, [variable], Byakuren, Patchouli couldn't be killed. All I had to do was swap in Reimu once in a while to heal Wriggle back up (I should really just make Wriggle a Healer) and the boss was never able to damage Patchouli, never did more than Byakuren could just regen off, and could only tap Wriggle's HP lightly but sure not poison her.

Also poison eats lategame bosses alive in LoT2 dear lord

MewMewHeart · « **Reply #299 on:** July 31, 2014, 04:32:38 PM »

Quote from: Garlyle on July 31, 2014, 10:23:08 AM

Also poison eats lategame bosses alive in LoT2 dear lord

I can vouch for that one, I gave Komachi the item that gives attacks poison and things went lol funny mode. Also... the Enhanced 3 Orbs are trolls ESPECIALLY Reverse since it explodes and kills your party in one shot I did not see it coming and got trolled so hard it was not even funny and my party was at full health when it happen not even Byakuren survived IT SUCKS.