Author Topic: Doctor Wars Mafia - Game Over  (Read 37452 times)

Raikaria

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #240 on: May 09, 2014, 10:53:43 AM »
Actually I think I know the meaning of the caveat in Raitaki's role.

I'm a Bulletproof. Hence I am 'protected from nightkills'. If I get docced by Raitaki, that effectively removes my protection.

So let's not start dancing around with 'two town doc' theories in a 9 player game.

You did not push for the lynch at the end, DNA, you were on Raitaki since before everyone started running around like headless chickens in consolidation. I FoS'ed Actiondan for the exact same reason.

You two were the only players who actively pushed the Raitaki lynch. I went on there because I ran out of other people I was null on basically who were viable lynches and had not claimed a role they could 'self-prove', and the others were just pure consolidation. Hence it is reasonable to FoS you for pushing the Doc.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #241 on: May 09, 2014, 11:02:02 AM »
Also either Actiondan got roleblocked or is lying, but I do find it strange.

If he was really a Vigilante, why did he ask SB about getting 'the message' start the start of the day. He should have clearly expected SB to be dead, so should have had no need to ask SB about his 'message' confirming him as town. I find this fishy.

Not to mention... why would he even have shot SB; someone most read as town? I know he FoS'ed SB as a potential scumbuddy for me [And then I called SB out on what amounted to appeasement right afterwards]. Surely if he was a Vigilante; he would have probably shot me.

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Vig claim doesn't make sense with his lynch priorities and his actions at the very start of Day 2. Lynch All Liars also.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #242 on: May 09, 2014, 11:03:47 AM »
I missed 'redirected' in Actiondan possibilities. Although if SB is telling the trust, a roleblock or a redirect to a dead body should have given Actiondan a message of his action failing.

Unless his shot killed the VT when he was redirected and it was the mafia's action that failed. But Vig shots are almost always after Mafia shots, and the odds of that happening in the first place feel rather slim.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #243 on: May 09, 2014, 11:30:23 AM »
Why wouldn't I shoot someone I thought was scum raikaria?  I asked the question in case he said yes considering I crumbled he was going to be the target d1.

Your bp claim is just as strong as a 2nd town doc and i'm not sure I believe it.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #244 on: May 09, 2014, 12:53:07 PM »
Why wouldn't I shoot someone I thought was scum raikaria?  I asked the question in case he said yes considering I crumbled he was going to be the target d1.

Your bp claim is just as strong as a 2nd town doc and i'm not sure I believe it.

I find a BP who gets his vest canceled if he is Docced a lot more plausible than there being two doctors in a 9p game which probobly has 7 townies.

Especially with your Vig claim.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #245 on: May 09, 2014, 03:28:15 PM »
Wait, then what does that leave SB with? No doc protection?

I'm not sure I trust Raikaria's claim since I still think he's scum, and I don't know why he's voting ActionDan when he thinks the role setup makes sense?
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #246 on: May 09, 2014, 03:33:20 PM »
I'm not sure I trust Raikaria's claim since I still think he's scum, and I don't know why he's voting ActionDan when he thinks the role setup makes sense?

I think 2 Docs dosen't make sense.

My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:

1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #247 on: May 09, 2014, 03:34:33 PM »
I think 2 Docs dosen't make sense.

My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:

1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.

2, 3 and 4 combined suggest Actiondan is lying about his role, especially since his asking of SB about a 'message' at the start of D2 does not match up with his current Vig claim whatsoever in any way. Not to mention him shooting SB dosen't make much sense. I think a Vig would have shot me.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #248 on: May 09, 2014, 03:42:32 PM »

My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:

1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.

1. Ya? And?
2. It didn't do any harm to ask in case he said yes
3. I never lied about my role except in the implication in point 2
4. I was not roleblocked and I succeeded in attempting to kill someone as I have since stated since I was made aware of it by the mod

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #249 on: May 09, 2014, 03:44:45 PM »
That's lovely you think a vig would have shot you but you don't speak for me and I crumbed who I was shooting yesterday

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #250 on: May 09, 2014, 03:46:39 PM »
2 docs and a BP sounds like my Villains Anonymafia 2 setup, and that was broken. And made for 14 players.

2 protection roles is more then enough for a 9p Mafia game, unless Scum has multiple Strongmans.

I think SB is scum.
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #251 on: May 09, 2014, 03:53:05 PM »
Raikaria your mind is all over the places and the impression I get from skimming your recent spam was that you are panicking and biting your own tongue due to rising suspicions on your towniness. I am inclined to vote you with gut simply for that though, yet fortunately, as aforementioned I am busy and do not want to jump to conclusions atm, needless to say I will keep being updated for the thread.

And holy shit, Dan is actually contributive this game, you have to be scum or someone so heavily blinded by bias that you are incapable of spotting the radical differences present in their behavior. And for those who argue for that Dan is just faking this as scum, from what I know of Dan, hes a long-standing mafia player for not only MoTK but other sites as well, and as such the value of each individual game win or lose should be relatively minor for him, not enough to justify such a massive behavior change. Besides, I personally don't think Dan in his scum state of mind would actually hover away from the safe meta that has saved scums countless times and go out from the shadows to take the fight upon himself.

I know I am massive hard defending here because hell why not, NNR and rai sport some rather interesting yet briefly elaborated idea which they consider enough to call for his lynch, I don't think so, and you guys should explain stuff to us proper like with paragraphs and references and quotes. I have already sufficiently elaborated elsewhere why twitterposting is ineffective and biased as fuck because you as the writer are leaving things up to the readers interpretation which shouldn't happen in a game of mafia because it belies the playerbase any writer intent and makes scumhunting ineffective. Long story short, I want to see quotes man, QUOTES THAT SHOW THE CRIMES PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMMITTED. If you do that and I won't have to open up eight tabs at once or to refer to my general understanding of your behavior to understand the logic preceding a single sentence accusation I can probably respond in five minutes.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #252 on: May 09, 2014, 04:01:04 PM »
I can understand role gaming enough to comment about it though, so here I am.

Let's visualize what we have here. Like in maths for easier general understanding.
1. Binary doctor
2. VT
3. claimed Vig
4. claimed BP
5.???
6.???
7.???
8.Scum
9.Scum

This is the playerlist, and a likely one at that. If there happens to be three scum and a vig fuck me I am done with this BS. And most of which happening atm is only about people have a dilemma about whether to go straight massclaim or not, and we are kind of debating rather ineffectively with twitterpostings about META and POWER BALANCE. This sucks, we have three unknown town roles and its probably going to help us more than hurt us to claim and to weed out the liars, its just easier that way. Going into the night with claimed Vig and BP are just giving scums the knowledge of who to shoot.

In fact in order to make the potential return greater I am going to kick off the claiming phase myself, DNA is a VT, fuck this, I want powerful experimental PRs to play with and this is all I have. Nonetheless I am trying hard to play here, so cooperate with me please.

So, considering my claim, this is now what we have
1. Binary doc
2. VT
3. claimed Vig
4. claimed BP
5. claimed VT
6. ???
7.???
8.Scum
9.Scum

If you are town and has a PR cough it up now
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #253 on: May 09, 2014, 04:10:11 PM »
I'm not too sure about a massclaim, since it's rather early in the game. If we still have an investigative role, it'd be too early to out them.
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #254 on: May 09, 2014, 05:09:01 PM »
By early you mean for 16 or 14 player games, this is a 9 player game.

With the Doctor already dead and the Vig and BP claimed, theres honestly not much more for town to lose.
(although personally i think the BP claim  that is Raikaria's is faulty but bleh theoreticals must be unbiased so lets assume hes serious for now)

And moreover, the number of VTs also give a good idea to how the game was set in mind.

Town literally has less to lose with Vig outed and Doc dead, if we don't claim today its essentially giving scum free knowledge to hit on the Vig.

Besides NNR, you are biting your own tongue off here again. You reminded us over and over about meta, yet you tell us scums would prioritize shooting Cop over Vig, guilty response?
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #255 on: May 09, 2014, 05:59:29 PM »
A questionable Vig who previously claimed that he visited people at night and they got a message that he was town previously, and who the one he visited didn't die, while he has not said that he got a message saying his action failed.

And who also pushed on the Doctor.

I would say that the Vigilante claim is a lot less solid than my BP claim. What have I done to disprove that I am a BP? Nothing. Actiondan's done quite a lot to disprove that he's a Vig.

Thing is, if he was a Vig, why did he not shoot his main FoS; me? Why does he claim to have shot SB, who several people townread? Bonus points because if Dan had shot me I could actually confirm both of us.


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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #256 on: May 09, 2014, 06:06:15 PM »
You weren't my main Fos.  I crumbed my target explicitly as well

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #257 on: May 09, 2014, 06:11:05 PM »
I love how you're not in least questioning how sb survived besides to call me scum

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #258 on: May 09, 2014, 06:27:15 PM »
God do people in this game have a habit of just snapping their jaws on their tongue and assume nobody noticed the blood going all over your smiley. Stop it creeps me out, its creepy, almost batman-Joker ships esque levels of creepy.

Raikaria, what you gave us here is a blatant pile of misrepresentation and assumptions based on wrong premises. First of all, lets look at what you gave us.
A questionable Vig who previously claimed that he visited people at night and they got a message that he was town previously, and who the one he visited didn't die, while he has not said that he got a message saying his action failed.

And who also pushed on the Doctor.

I would say that the Vigilante claim is a lot less solid than my BP claim. What have I done to disprove that I am a BP? Nothing. Actiondan's done quite a lot to disprove that he's a Vig.

Thing is, if he was a Vig, why did he not shoot his main FoS; me? Why does he claim to have shot SB, who several people townread? Bonus points because if Dan had shot me I could actually confirm both of us.
Okay, so here we have a few neatly paragraphed ideas, unfortunately they are all blatantly wrong, anyway, let me summarize it.
1. AD fakeclaimed as Vig D1 and is unreliable
2. AD pushed the doctor lynch so he has malicious intentions
3. AD did wrong things and Raikaria didn't, so Raikaria is in the right
4. AD was lying because he didn't hit his FoS during D1, SCUMTELLZ

Why 1. is wrong: Fakeclaiming as Vig D1 is perfectly reasonable imo as long as you believe that you have crumbed sufficiently hard before. And its not strange when its coming from AD. Remember the HW game where AD was miller? Yeah, that one. I personally have already elaborated why from a AD PoV it is not likely for him to be scum, and his general behavior still correlates with his town play, your conclusion is invalid.

Also Raikaria you did the same thing before with masons, you even came up with a code that reversed the word ''mason'' to give ''nosam'' and encrypted the code in five consecutive words along with your mason buddy. Are you truly suffering from Romneisa, or are you truly and hopelessly scum?

Why 2. is wrong: AD didn't push for Doctor lynch, like what everybody have concluded already ED1 was basically to decide whether to consolidate on Raitaki or Raikaria. But a bit before that, AD was a perfectly valid wagon since there was actually enough people to call for his lynch. As such, AD defending himself is again a perfectly reasonable and not deliberate response. MOREOVER, it has always been a mafia tradition to disregard claims that are too close to the deadline because the panic leads to wrong decisions.

For all the above reasons, you premises is wrong, and as such, your conclusion drawn from is also wrong.

Worst still, the wrong premises given by you demonstrate that you have no clue of the gamestate and our discussion, which is not in ratio relative to your active participation in the game measured via posts. This, coupled with your opinions which are always scattered and disconnected makes you seem to have been largely unaware of the game state, generic scum error.

Why 3. is wrong: lol first you did alot of wrong things raikaria, you opinions were scattered and disconnected and you make blatantly wrong accusations such as in this post, moreover other people being wrong doesn't make you in the right, you need to be actually doing reliable and trustworthy things to win our trust, come on. this is a yr7 level logical fallacy.

Why 4. is wrong: again raikaria is inaare of gamestate and ignorant of meta. We have the obvious lynchee who was a doctor. if he was lynched and raikaria you was correct in thinking AD pushed for the doc lynch, naturally he would reconsider who to shoot. sb is lurky and contributed little, yet MoTK style doesn't lynch the lurkers, if i had the power i would shoot him too tbh.
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #259 on: May 09, 2014, 07:59:33 PM »
By early you mean for 16 or 14 player games, this is a 9 player game.

With the Doctor already dead and the Vig and BP claimed, theres honestly not much more for town to lose.
(although personally i think the BP claim  that is Raikaria's is faulty but bleh theoreticals must be unbiased so lets assume hes serious for now)

And moreover, the number of VTs also give a good idea to how the game was set in mind.

Town literally has less to lose with Vig outed and Doc dead, if we don't claim today its essentially giving scum free knowledge to hit on the Vig.

Besides NNR, you are biting your own tongue off here again. You reminded us over and over about meta, yet you tell us scums would prioritize shooting Cop over Vig, guilty response?
i doubt Dan has a second vig, but whatever.
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #260 on: May 09, 2014, 08:21:23 PM »
I'm pretty sure that a binary doc wouldn't be in there solely to fuck over a single BPV.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #261 on: May 09, 2014, 08:28:37 PM »
Anyway I'm a bit calmer now and I'm gonna go through with a reread because ugh.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #262 on: May 09, 2014, 08:29:45 PM »
Oh, and Dan, do you have another shot of your role? This is important.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #263 on: May 09, 2014, 08:56:49 PM »
Votecount 2.3

ActionDan: (2) SB, Raikaria
SB: (1) ActionDan

Not Voting: [4/7] NekoNekoRex, Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc

You have 48 hours. 4 votes are needed for a majority.

(Countdown)

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #264 on: May 09, 2014, 08:59:37 PM »
Reading this thread is making me feel slightly insane. Maybe everyone is a mafia traitor and all my townbuddies are dead. Except maybe Serela.

I forgot how Dan did nothing for all of day 1 and is only alive because of his claim now, which probably isn't even true unless Serela is a doc and was on me or something (AND WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT I COULD'VE BEEN FREEEEEEEEEE ;_;). He basically hasn't updated his case on me at all except for ROLES, keeps insisting that scum definitely have a doc for a presumably limited vigilante that /probably doesn't even exist considering it's a 9p game/ and he hasn't done shit apart from that.

Despite what I thought yesterday too, NNR is also probably scum. His content today is basically "DNA is bad BUT NOT THAT BAD so he must be town and scum must be pushing for his mislynch THE DNA VOTERS ARE SCUM GUYS" and he completely disregards the fact that one of the guys pushing him, you know, flipped town. It's blatantly terrible and all he's said about me today despite me being suspicious apparently is YEP SB IS PROBABLY SCUM and he doesn't even try to push it beyond that.

I'd also like to say that I am also a power role, and I'm doubtful of Dan's existance alongside it. Even Raikaria could be argued as a stretch.

So yeah Dan/NNR scumteam Y/Y?

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #265 on: May 09, 2014, 09:22:46 PM »
Dan what.

I don't even think you're scum for this. I just think that you're stupid for pushing this as a 1v1.

YOU DID NOT CLAIM ViG
YOU CLAIMED FRIENDLY TOWNIE
REDIRECTING YOU TO A CORPSE SO YOUR ROLE GOES UNPROVEN WOULD BE REASONABLE
I ALSO HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING YOU WERE A VIG
HOW THE HELL COULD I HAVE GUESSED YOU WERE PLANNING TO SHOOT ME
AND WHY ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT DOCTORS ARE USUALLY TOWN

This is too stupid.

Compare this with the above especially now that sb is claiming a pr and anybody will see how ludicrous It would be for a town sb to make these posts.


I also think it's just pretty sleazy in general that I have to wonder if the nnr stuff is a prescribed last effort bus.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #266 on: May 09, 2014, 09:36:01 PM »
Oh, and Dan, do you have another shot of your role? This is important.

How about you first Mr I'm a pr that probably doesn't 3xist alongside a vig even though I thought Dan was town immediately

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #267 on: May 09, 2014, 09:41:07 PM »
I thought you were town because I didn't think you could be this stupid as scum.

Then I thought things over a bit and decided you being town didn't make any sense.

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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #268 on: May 09, 2014, 09:52:16 PM »
I'm busy because birthday, but I think SB should probably claim unless most people just want to lynch Dan.

I think the way Dan is going about this is questionable, but that's very par for the course with Dan and I think this behavior could be expected from town!Dan. (That being said I could certainly see this as scum too, so, it could go either way)
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Re: Doctor Wars Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #269 on: May 09, 2014, 10:05:43 PM »
The waffle. Be sure to enjoy a large serving of bards cake today serela.

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