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« Reply #660 on: March 08, 2015, 11:47:24 AM »
That makes it sound as though youkai are invincible. No, I'm saying that the method and the damage is what's important, not who does it. If a sword won't kill a youkai when a human cuts them up, it won't kill a youkai if another youkai cuts them up instead. All I meant with the sealing part was that if a youkai could be sealed by a human, they would also be able to be sealed by a youkai. This should just make sense.

Anyways, there could be some point when even a youkai would die from physical damage, but we don't know how much it would take to kill a youkai this way. If you cut a youkai into tiny little pieces, they might be able to survive, but we have no way of knowing what sort of physical damage could kill a youkai. It's entirely speculation.

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« Reply #661 on: March 09, 2015, 04:41:04 AM »
A friend told me that in FS, Reimu
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killed an innocent person (supposedly that evil-looking demon who possessed Kosuzu), thus enraging fans, due to her breaking spell card rules which prevent killing.
  Clarifications, please?

Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #662 on: March 09, 2015, 05:09:59 AM »
That contains a major spoiler for last month's new chapter, and while I'm not an unbiased party (being involved in the fan translation process), I think it's reasonable for everyone, including yourself, to wait until they can read the chapter by themselves, and determine by themselves what the story is saying, before discussing it.
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« Reply #663 on: March 09, 2015, 05:11:44 AM »
Sorry...

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« Reply #664 on: March 09, 2015, 06:55:46 AM »
Just going to say that what your friend thought about the chapter was definitely not the case.

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« Reply #665 on: March 09, 2015, 01:35:25 PM »
Well, he didn't say he's actually talking about that chapter.  I asked him if it's really that chapter and he said it might be.

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« Reply #666 on: March 10, 2015, 08:22:04 PM »
Is there any more info on the Grassroots Youkai Network besides what very little there is in DDC? I think all I was able to get was info on some of the members, but nothing of the actual purpose or what the group does.
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« Reply #667 on: March 10, 2015, 11:26:46 PM »
There doesn't seem to be any. It sounds like something that might be elaborated on in the future, considering the oddly specific setup just to say Kagerou knew Wakasagihime.

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« Reply #668 on: March 11, 2015, 12:36:04 AM »
According to canon materials, Gensokyo became (secretly) independent from Japan during the Meiji Era, which would make it a nation on its own right.
But here's the problem: there were no indications of Gensokyo being a nation in canon, and "Gensokyian" being treated as a nationality is entirely fanon.
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« Reply #669 on: March 11, 2015, 12:44:14 AM »
Ah well, it did seem a bit odd how a specific group was given for those two instead of just saying they knew eachother. Something for the future then! Maybe!
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« Reply #670 on: March 11, 2015, 01:03:19 AM »
Well, my political science professors say that a nation has to have sovereignty and clear defined borders.  It also has to have a defined population, the ability to enter into agreements with other nations as equals, and a single government. The best examples would be the nations that we see every day, the US, the UK, Russia, China, and Japan.

For sovereignty, I would think that Yukari oversees most of the Gensokyo, with the Celestials administering their little patch of heaven, Yuyuko in the Netherworld, the Yama at the ministry, and Satori watching over hell. Remiu would be the enforcing authority, if she's not feeling lazy that day. The barrier would work as defined borders, if magical boundaries can count. The defined population would be everyone within the barrier, so that counts. Since Gensokyo is hidden from the world at large, it can't really enter into agreements with other nations and can't be recognized by other nations as an equal. The single government is a bit trickier, with all of the factions around. There could be an argument that Yukari is the de facto lead, but I haven't seen that many instances of her taking charge outside of the first Lunar-Genso war. I could be wrong about that.

Outside of the established states that everyone recognizes, it's a bit tricky to pin down what exactly is a state without outside views. Some of the Native American tribes are recognized as sovereign states by the US government, but that's a complicated arrangement (just like everything with government). In my eyes, Gensokyo qualifies more as a nation-state, like the Vatican. It's self contained, somewhat homogenous (becoming less so due to the religious arc introducing different religions ) and stable.

I could be wrong though.

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« Reply #671 on: March 11, 2015, 02:27:28 AM »
I thought it was in part to establish that weaker youkai have their own social gatherings of sorts.  Though it likely will get elaborated on eventually anyways cause ZUN tends to elaborate on nigh everything given enough time (well, except maybe that anti-youkai human movement mentioned long ago in PMiSS, I suppose).

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« Reply #672 on: March 11, 2015, 02:31:55 AM »
Well, my political science professors say that a nation has to have sovereignty and clear defined borders.  It also has to have a defined population, the ability to enter into agreements with other nations as equals, and a single government. The best examples would be the nations that we see every day, the US, the UK, Russia, China, and Japan.


Gensokyo lacks the bolded quality mainly because it lacks the ability to interact with other nations to enter into agreements with them in the first place.

Then again, maybe that's not entirely true. Apparently it actually used to have political agreements and relations with the Lunarian Capital in the past, but that "ceased long ago".

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Kaguya_Houraisan  (final section)


"Single government" is a bit questionable because the human village has its own government separate from the others, such as the Scarlet Devil Mansion or the Youkai mountain or the rest of the youkai (of whom Yukari could be considered de facto lead but in both the Lunar War and the Barrier construction case, she had to argue for and convince everyone to go along with it, not order them to.  She'd probably end up being lead in practice through sheer manipulation but not necessarily OFFICIALLY, per say).
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« Reply #673 on: March 11, 2015, 02:36:24 AM »
I wouldn't consider Gensokyo a nation - or at least not a single one. I'd consider Yukari to be more of a protector than a sovereign - same with Reimu.  Places like the netherworld aren't really inside Gensokyo - therefor they're more like their own nations. Old hell is probably also outside the realm of control that the Human Villiage is controlled by. Same with the Tengu civilisation on the mountains. At the same time places like the forest of magic are probably outside the realm of anybody's control. They're really all different nations that are kept in check by mutual agreements.

Zun hasn't really gone into the politics of Gensokyo outside of where it is relevant to the story so it's kind of hard to tell. As Gensokyo has no real government it can't really be considered a nation in my opinion. Even within my nation of nations there is a parliament of the union as well as the parliament of the country - which doesn't seem to be present in Gensokyo.
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« Reply #674 on: March 11, 2015, 03:30:29 AM »
I still think the point of the group (BAiJR btw) was to show that most humans who try to figure out some Gensokyo conspiracy have no idea what they're talking about to a comedic degree. Their entire premise is based on the assumption that the powerful youkai who do know everything about Gensokyo's history could be driven out and the humans would take over. It's made to be complete nonsense, and in the meantime they go out on expeditions to basically youkai hunt, then get killed. In more recent works it's also implied that anyone who would get close to uncovering some sort of secret would "mysteriously disappear", so I'm pretty sure that's as far as it's going to go with that secret society.

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« Reply #675 on: March 11, 2015, 03:38:23 AM »
As aListers gets to, many of the places we think of as in Gensokyo really aren't. The Netherworld, Higan, the Underground, Senkai, Makai, and Heaven aren't part of Gensokyo, just related and connected to in some manner.

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« Reply #676 on: March 11, 2015, 03:51:52 AM »
I wouldn't think Gensokyo is a nation either. Though a lot of areas listed aren't in Gensokyo.

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For sovereignty, I would think that Yukari oversees most of the Gensokyo, with the Celestials administering their little patch of heaven, Yuyuko in the Netherworld, the Yama at the ministry, and Satori watching over hell. Remiu would be the enforcing authority, if she's not feeling lazy that day.

Yukari and Reimu have similar roles in this. They both take care of Gensokyo.
The Yama rules hell, including Satori's area. That is until it got discarded due to budget issues.
Satori became more or less the ruler of that area of Hell afterwards.

Saying the celestials administering their little patch of heaven seems misleading, since heaven is huge.

Yuyuko's area of governance, the Netherworld, is also really really big. Maybe size of the sun or more, the size wasn't given, just that it was larger than Hell. That said, Yuyuko was allowed to rule the Netherworld, because the Yama deemed her worthy.

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« Reply #677 on: March 11, 2015, 05:47:27 AM »
Personally, I think the question is like asking "Is Central America a nation"? It's more like a located that has groups inside of it. Now, do those groups like the human village, Eientei, and  the tengu count as nations? That could be a fun question.

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« Reply #678 on: March 11, 2015, 08:13:54 AM »
Just asking for like the billionth time that OPs which are just asking a miscellaneous question get posted in the Miscellaneous Questions thread. That's what it's there for.

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« Reply #679 on: March 12, 2015, 02:21:34 AM »
Would doublethink at the very least trip up Satori a little?

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« Reply #680 on: March 12, 2015, 04:59:28 AM »
This is a question about the workings of the wiki and fan made games, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. If it's not then please help it find it's real home

First and foremost, I'm not trying to complain about the wiki. I'm fully aware that there are tons of fangames, most of which never even get completed, and I understand that the editors can't possibly keep track of them all nor do they have any reason to. With that out of the way...

On the fan-characters page, it lists several popular fan-characters (obviously) as well as several games with less popular characters. But I noticed that some games that are set up in traditional touhou style are left out. White Names Spoiled Past, the Len'En series, Luminous Dream, Mythical Mirror. There's obviously good reasons for why these games are left out (except maybe WNSP, but whatever).

So two questions. First, what is it that lets a game be put on that page? Just whichever games the editor decides to put in? This is just out of personal curiosity.
Second, are there any other traditional touhou style games (besides the ones on the page and the ones I listed) that feature all or almost all fan made characters?
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« Reply #681 on: March 12, 2015, 05:33:01 AM »
Some of those already have Game/Characters articles, so if you want to add a link to those articles under the "In Fangames" section then go ahead. These articles should be complete though; don't go adding pages with a bunch of incomplete information just for the sake of adding them to the list.

EDIT: Yeah basically there isn't any particular reason some of them are listed and some aren't, besides having complete articles for them and an editor deciding to put them in.
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« Reply #682 on: March 12, 2015, 07:39:11 AM »
Some of those already have Game/Characters articles, so if you want to add a link to those articles under the "In Fangames" section then go ahead. These articles should be complete though; don't go adding pages with a bunch of incomplete information just for the sake of adding them to the list.

It's not really important to me whether or not they are added, I was just wondering why they weren't. Since some of them seem to be fairly popular I just found it odd, and I didn't know if there was a specific reason for it. But if there's no reason then... I guess that's all there is to it.
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« Reply #683 on: March 12, 2015, 03:42:59 PM »
There's talk in the wiki's discussion main page on the wiki of people who aren't entirely in agreement that several of those characters should be there.

...I mean, cripes, Len'en isn't even really related to Touhou at all. It's not even a Touhou fangame, or has any Touhou characters or whatever else in it whatsoever.  It's its own thing.  Might as well start putting Kantai Collection stuff on the wiki instead going by that standard.  But people are generally wary of knocking down other peoples' hard work or whatever else... it's why it took so long for people to finally speak out against Tosiaki, really.  Apparently there's also the worry that there's no where else for this information to go besides wikia, and many don't want to support Wikia (...heh).

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« Reply #684 on: March 12, 2015, 08:33:48 PM »
Second, are there any other traditional touhou style games (besides the ones on the page and the ones I listed) that feature all or almost all fan made characters?

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« Reply #685 on: March 13, 2015, 12:18:45 PM »
Has any manga authors of some of the more well-known manga series out there ever drawn Touhou stuff for fun?  The same goes for game and anime artists.

Curious...

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« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2015, 02:11:35 PM »
Has any manga authors of some of the more well-known manga series out there ever drawn Touhou stuff for fun?  The same goes for game and anime artists.

Curious...

Thanks in advance!
I don't know what's your idea of "well-known", so I'll just give what I think might fit this criteria :

Yamauchi Yasunobu, AKA Bomber Grape (Daily lives of high school boys ; Zai X 10)
Namori (Yuru Yuri (I guess this counts ))
Morino Hon (Black Bullet (artist); made Touhou doujin works (mainly known for [Omoito])
Ushiki Yoshitaka (Dream eater Merry; made Touhou doujin works (mainly known for [Advent Cirno])
Rui Tamachi (Gokicha (started as a doujin, but since it got serialized and animated I guess it counts))
ScrewAttack people (Only one, but I guess they count ? lol)
Inui Takemaru (Monster musume and a few other whose title I don't remember, apologies)
Izumi Rei (made some stuff )
Alex "oh8" Ahad (Lab Zero Games stuff, namely Skullgirls. See here )
Hiroshi Misawa (here )

Not exhaustive by any means, so look forward to another poster to give further names  :)

As far as random Touhou references goes, you can just look it up in the wiki
Otherwise, you can look up the "Popular Artists Draw Other Copyrights" pool in Danbooru (WARNING : NSFW site) and try your chance by searching Touhou stuff there and looking up the artist's name.
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« Reply #687 on: March 13, 2015, 02:14:49 PM »
I mean manga artists who published their works on weekly Shounen magazines and such.

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« Reply #688 on: March 13, 2015, 02:20:02 PM »
Might wanna start by Googling their names + 東方.
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« Reply #689 on: March 13, 2015, 02:52:40 PM »
-Buriki
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-Kaishaku
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-Ishida Akira
Mangaka for Canaan, Fate(comic), Oninagi and Maoyuu Maou Yuusha among other things.

-tosh
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I don't know why you asked especially for Shonen Jump Artists, but tosh is probably the closest one you'll get.